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Cestrosphendon illustration
Jun 10th, 2004 at 10:14am
 
Here is an illustration of the cestrosphendon. Hope everyone likes it!
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Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 11:12am
 
Whoa, cool. 8)  Wouldn't want to see him across the battlefield!
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 1:46pm
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 3:03pm
 
Hey.. Very nice, indeed.

The cords really stay so around the arrow during the whole throw?
They donīt slip?

... sorry.. just read the other topic below, and everything was good explaned. sorry.. again.


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Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 3:17pm
 
Hmmm, what a pity this sort of cestrosphendon was not described by classic writers.  Itīs just a cestroYurek  Grin(and maybe an efficient one) but not the original one. Though the ilustration is excellent, please, donīt put it in a history book Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 5:06pm
 
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Hmmm, what a pity this sort of cestrosphendon was not described by classic writers.  Itīs just a cestroYurek  Grin(and maybe an efficient one) but not the original one. Though the ilustration is excellent, please, donīt put it in a history book Roll Eyes


Honder, my friend, could you tell me why it doesn't match the accounts given in Livy? I'm not saying it doesn't - I just really want to know!

Is it the mention of a pouch or pouches????  I can't otherwise see any difference.

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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 5:15pm
 
Has anyone here tried the design as shown?  I have sincere doubts as to it's practicality.
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Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 5:36pm
 
Techstuff, I've tried it - and yes it works very well indeed. And it is an elegant, uncluttered design. I got a distance of 40-45m with both Hondero's and Yureks design (featured in the illustration).
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Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 5:54pm
 
Great!  Perhaps you can explain the dynamics at release a bit.   In order for a clean release, it seems the lead retention cord must slide rearward as it slides off the shaft, thereby releasing the head of the shaft before the tail.  In so doing, it would appear that a very pronounced wobble would be induced. 
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Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 10:49pm
 
Nice drawings Johnny!!

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Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2004 at 7:23am
 
About the cestrosphendon:
Livy writes:
"the sling had in the middle two unequal thongs; when the slinger swung and spun it by the strap with an extra effort, the missile, shaken loose, shot out like a ball."
Polybius writes:
The thongs of the sling from which the missile was discharged were of unequal length, and it was so inserted into the loop between them that it was easily freed. There it remained fixed while the thongs were whirled round and taut, but when at the moment of discharge one of the thongs was loosened, it left the loop and was shot like a leaden bullet from a sling,"

Who's design then? Hondero's? Jurek's?
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Reply #11 - Jun 11th, 2004 at 8:31am
 
Quote:
About the cestrosphendon:
Livy writes:
"the sling had in the middle two unequal thongs; when the slinger swung and spun it by the strap with an extra effort, the missile, shaken loose, shot out like a ball."
Polybius writes:
The thongs of the sling from which the missile was discharged were of unequal length, and it was so inserted into the loop between them that it was easily freed. There it remained fixed while the thongs were whirled round and taut, but when at the moment of discharge one of the thongs was loosened, it left the loop and was shot like a leaden bullet from a sling,"

Who's design then? Hondero's? Jurek's?


I think Yurek has not followed the Livius text but just invented an ingenious an simple device for throwing darts.
The right translation of Livius text does not refer to two unequal "cords" (different lenght), but two different "pouches". Itīs the latin word "scutalia" that makes the confusion, as some authors translate it like thong and anothers like pouche. I think "scutalia" comes from "scutum" = shield, maybe refering that  the shape of the pouce is similar to the scutum.
But in the case of being the right cestrosfendon made by two unequal cords, it apllies also the design I consider right. The design of Yurek has the two cords of equal lenght for the arrow to remain horizontal. If the cords are different in length the dart would be inclined, like itīs the right position (in my opinion) for throwing it appropiately.
Another guess, imaging scutalia means cord, is that the pouch (funda media) has two little unequal cords to fasten the dart and so it would be a design with a dynamic similar to David Engeval sling and dart, but it seems to me very complicated to control.

Well, we need an ancient Greek to tell us the truth of this stuff Undecided
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Reply #12 - Jun 11th, 2004 at 9:04am
 
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Here is the Latin:
"funda media duo scutalia imparia"
I think you are right about "scutalia" being the word for shield. You may be right about 2 pouches rather than 2 unequal thongs. I need to re-work the illustration!
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Reply #13 - Jun 11th, 2004 at 9:26am
 
I think that the barbs on the dart are a bit off.  The release cord would surely be trapped under them?  Perhaps a leaf shape would work better.  I will try this out.  looks easier than the other kestros.
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Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2004 at 12:12pm
 
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You can read this post on:
http://p200.ezboard.com/fromanarmytalkfrm4.showMessage?topicID=1138.topic

As you know, scutum is a shield.
But a scutale (pl. scutalia) is thought to be a leather thong, from the Greek word skytos.
So the sling of the cestrosphendon has "two unequal thongs in the middle".
(As far as I know, scutale is a word found only in Livy. But he has probably lifted this passage from Polybius, anyway, which would explain the use of a Greek-derived word.)
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