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May 9th, 2004 at 1:24pm
 
I waz doin sum research into archery when i discovered a law stating that every englishman had 2 practise for 2 hours a week with a longbow. I think this was because of the war with the french. I also found out that the
"F-off" finger gesteur came from when the french cut off the index and for finger of english men to stopp them usiing a bow. I was really just wonderin if that law was still in effect if not enforced and if anyone knew if that was the true origin of the gesteur.
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Reply #1 - May 9th, 2004 at 10:59pm
 
I also heard that at one point if more than two men were talking there had to be a bow present.
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Reply #2 - May 10th, 2004 at 12:12pm
 
Yes, that is the origin of said gesture.  The English archers would wave their two fingers at the French, in defiance, essentially to say, ha, we can still kill you.
    That law is not still in effect, of course, and it is in fact no longer legal even to hunt with the bow in England (although it is legal in Scotland, and Northern Ireland, countries part of the Union but not exactly renowned for their archery.)  There are still some famous archery clubs and societies in England, including the Toxophilite Society, and the army has one regiment (solely ceremonial I believe) that is armed with bows, although they are Scottish.
The Hundred Years War was a very interesting conflict, in that it was basically the first act in a series of English wars with France and her allies that ended in 1815, really.
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Reply #3 - May 10th, 2004 at 1:35pm
 
You folks in England use the first two fingers, knuckles outward, correct? In America, people use just the middle finger. Also, the English archers would boast to the French,"we're still plucking the yew!". "Plucking the yew" went to "Pluck Yew" and then to, well, I think you know where this is going! Giving them the bird comes from the arrows with the feather fletching. "Giving the bird" meant giving them an arrow.
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Reply #4 - May 10th, 2004 at 1:52pm
 
No way!   Now that IS interesting!   I really hadn't thought of the origin of that phrase and the middle finger...... 8)
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Reply #5 - May 10th, 2004 at 2:05pm
 
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I've read in the past that this may be an urban legend. But others have proof that it is a FACT!!! I'm sure there are many websites (snopes.com) that would have the answer!
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Reply #6 - May 11th, 2004 at 2:54am
 
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You folks in England use the first two fingers, knuckles outward, correct? In America, people use just the middle finger.
That is indeed correct.  The American middle finger came about in Boston just before the revolution, as a symbol of defiance; those who supported the revolution would show simply the middle finger, those who didn't would use the normal English gesture.
That is most interesting.  Seems we have a lot to thank the Hundred Years War for, culture wise.
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Reply #7 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 5:33am
 
So what does the Biting of the thumb signify? ???
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Reply #8 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 3:25pm
 
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You folks in England use the first two fingers, knuckles outward, correct? In America, people use just the middle finger. Also, the English archers would boast to the French,"we're still plucking the yew!". "Plucking the yew" went to "Pluck Yew" and then to, well, I think you know where this is going! Giving them the bird comes from the arrows with the feather fletching. "Giving the bird" meant giving them an arrow.


Pluck yew? C'mon, that sounds really far fetched... Especially considering that the word in question comes from the old German word "to hit" and not a mispronouciation of the modern English "pluck."
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Reply #9 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 6:27pm
 
Ahhh the Internet... our descendants are going to believe things like "flaming pigs were commonly used against was elephants" thanks to this marvelous technology.

If you are wondering about word origins, a great site is - you can enter the relevant words yourselves...

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Reply #10 - Feb 25th, 2006 at 10:01am
 
I was always told that the f word stood for "For unlawful carnal knowlge"  and F.U.C.K was refered to the peeping toms.
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Reply #11 - Feb 27th, 2006 at 1:55am
 
People like to make up acronyms. I even made one up for my name Tongue. Have you ever heard that the word golf is supposed to have come from "Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden"? [it really comes from an alteration of club or mace]
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Reply #12 - Feb 27th, 2006 at 5:33am
 
None of these origins are 'proven' and pluck yew is daft IMHO. As a general rule, there are no acronyms more than about a hundred years old.

But flaming pigs - those are bloody real!

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Reply #13 - Feb 27th, 2006 at 3:55pm
 
Good story anyhow! Procopius said that Aelian said that Pliny said that Dionysius said that pigs were used in a great battle more than 200 years before he was born. So it must be true. Roll Eyes
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