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Message started by Tint on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:58am

Title: Hong Kong protests
Post by Tint on Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:58am
Hey guys,
I am here stuck in the middle of it all. Keeping my slings and rocks out of trouble. Let's hope trouble stays away from me.
Peace,

Tint

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by vetryan15 on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:23am
Stay safe and good luck

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Rat Man on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:29pm
Good luck Tint!

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Morphy on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:01pm
Be safe Tint. If possible keep us posted?

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Kick on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:18pm
Horrible stuff to be seeing on the news, I can only imagine what it's like to be living in it. As the others have said, hope you remain safe and well.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Tint on Aug 6th, 2019 at 1:34am
Thanks guys! Needed that.
It's a war zone in town every weekend. My friend got tear gas floating into her apartment just last night. Streets and subway blocked. The protesters are not all peaceful as they report in the news. Lots of violence and not a lot of reason.
I live way out at the outskirts so mostly staying safe. Need to be responsible cause I have 2 boys and a young wife to look after.
Someone asked me to run a sling workshop...I had to turn them down.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Sarosh on Aug 6th, 2019 at 2:57am
Good luck Tint.
What is the reason for the protests? media in my country don't even talk about hong kong


Tint wrote on Aug 6th, 2019 at 1:34am:
Someone asked me to run a sling workshop...I had to turn them down.

I hope the protests aren't the reason you turned them down.
What kind of workshop? making slings or practicing with people?


Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Tint on Aug 6th, 2019 at 4:04am
The protests in Hong Kong, like any political mess, is complex and I don't claim to understand fully. People are angry and the Government didn't do their best to keep them happy. It's been going on for a long period of time. Something triggered a march then turned to a weekly protests and now the crowds are destroying the city.

The protesters wants to hurt the riot control police and those against the protesters wants to fight back. I wouldn't want to introduce the sling to them in all this madness.

I'd love to share my knowledge about the sling with anyone. But in this case I feel I have to decline knowing that they want to use it to hurt other innocent people.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Rat Man on Aug 6th, 2019 at 2:14pm
Sounds like a good time to bug out for a while. Got any vacation time coming?

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Aug 6th, 2019 at 8:21pm
Definitely stay safe out there. If you can, store up some extra supplies at home. You may be away from the center of chaos, but it wouldnít hurt to have a little extra food and basic supplies at home in case you arenít able to go out for some reason.

Iíd say you made the right choice to not teach a sling workshop in those conditions. Many people associate slings with protests because of the photos of Palestinian slingers. You could easily be labeled as a political operative for teaching people to sling.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Rat Man on Aug 8th, 2019 at 12:12pm
    I knew nothing of the Hong Kong protests so I read up on it a little last night.  It sounds like a tragedy about to happen.  I have nothing against the Chinese (or any other) people but the Chinese government has always been an evil entity.  They don't like loosing these power struggles and don't mind getting heavy handed about it.  Be careful, Tint.  It might hit the fan soon.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Rat Man on Aug 8th, 2019 at 12:22pm
Edit: I meant to say current Chinese government above. Like since 1949.  For some reason I have lost the ability to do anything but quote here so I can't amend my statement.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Morphy on Aug 8th, 2019 at 2:15pm
+1 on not teaching the sling workshop. In a political climate like that I would not want to be associated with any type of weapon. They might think you're organizing a resistance. They don't mess around. Our thoughts are with you Tint.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by perpetualstudent on Aug 9th, 2019 at 1:11pm
Best of luck Tint. Keep your head down.

I don't see any indication that this is going to end well. It seems like there was a moment where both sides could have disengaged, each claim victory and save some face, but that moment is passed and it won't end without some real violence. I hope you and yours manage to avoid it. 

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Slingky on Aug 12th, 2019 at 11:28pm
@Tint,
  I can hardly say it better than @Morphy, but the more I think about it (now more than a week), the wiser your refusal to introduce the sling into the situation becomes. Thanks for your care for those who may never know how much grief that care has spared them.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Curious Aardvark on Aug 13th, 2019 at 6:35am
it's been on the news a fair bit in the uk.

It started when the current governor of homg kong, who essentially works for the mainland beijing government, passed a law that meant people could be extradicted to the mainland for prosecution.

It then expanded into getting her removed from office and seems to have evolved into general protest against the beijing rule in general.

Absolutely do not teach anyone how to sling in this climate Monty !
I don't think anyone's been killed, yet.
That could easily change if they were slinging rocks at the police.

Just try and keep out of it and good luck !

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Tint on Aug 13th, 2019 at 11:02am
My city have just gone mad. Things are escalating everyday.

Don't worry, no one is going to know how to sling from me.

I have extra canned food and water stored just in case.

The airport was shut down yesterday and another crowd has gathered there to stop passengers from boarding their flight. I am not going anywhere. :-[

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Sarosh on Aug 13th, 2019 at 11:26am

Curious Aardvark wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 6:35am:
It started when the current governor of homg kong, who essentially works for the mainland beijing government, passed a law that meant people could be extradicted to the mainland for prosecution.

It then expanded into getting her removed from office and seems to have evolved into general protest against the beijing rule in general.


thanks for the answer.


Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Tint on Aug 13th, 2019 at 8:14pm

Sarosh wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 11:26am:

Curious Aardvark wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 6:35am:
It started when the current governor of homg kong, who essentially works for the mainland beijing government, passed a law that meant people could be extradicted to the mainland for prosecution.

It then expanded into getting her removed from office and seems to have evolved into general protest against the beijing rule in general.


thanks for the answer.

The bill wasn't passed. And it wasn't to extradite people to China, rather to extradite criminals to anywhere in the world so that they can be trial for the crimes they have done. But politicians have twisted its' meaning and planted fear in the uniformed. The press stirred things up even more causing things to spin out of control. As it is, there are now known murderers who killed victims in Tai Wan roaming free in the city because the law isn't passed.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Aug 14th, 2019 at 1:27am
Regardless of who is right or wrong, the protesters donít seem to realize that this isnít going to be a fair fight. Beijing has all the resources and all the guns. The protesters are hoping for restraint from the same government that they are provoking... Itís not a winning position for the protesters, and it looks like itís not going to end well.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Sarosh on Aug 14th, 2019 at 3:22am

Tint wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
The bill wasn't passed. And it wasn't to extradite people to China, rather to extradite criminals to anywhere in the world so that they can be trial for the crimes they have done. But politicians have twisted its' meaning and planted fear in the uniformed. The press stirred things up even more causing things to spin out of control. As it is, there are now known murderers who killed victims in Tai Wan roaming free in the city because the law isn't passed.


murderers under the law aren't many, you don't need a new law to catch them. In my country we have more criminals over the law with diplomatic immunity and political immunity (democracy at it's best!). meanwhile they have removed asylum from universities for unknown reasons, since if a criminal was in the grounds police would just need to inform the administration before the arrest. They try to put police officers everywhere I don't think things will end well.


NooneOfConsequence wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 1:27am:
Regardless of who is right or wrong, the protesters donít seem to realize that this isnít going to be a fair fight. Beijing has all the resources and all the guns. The protesters are hoping for restraint from the same government that they are provoking... Itís not a winning position for the protesters, and it looks like itís not going to end well.


if there is an escalation it's not going to end well .In kiev 2014 people won their government, it was a matter of public opinion so a government doesn't want to overdo it unless they can cover it up.



Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by TOMBELAINE on Aug 14th, 2019 at 8:05am
There is no good reason !
I don't remember who says that (he is north-irish) but it's true.
There is no winner in a war ; it's only the defeat of the peace.
I hope best days for Hong Kong.


Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Kick on Aug 14th, 2019 at 10:48am
It's super naive of me, but I can't help thinking with situations like this "Why can't we all just get along?". It's sad.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by perpetualstudent on Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:26pm
Given what happened afterwards with Ukraine, I wouldn't exactly hold that up as a beacon of hope....

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Aug 16th, 2019 at 9:33am
Per Clausewitz (paraphrased): war is the imposition of political will on other people through the use of force. One of the primary objectives of war is to disarm the opponent in order to impose your will.

Based on that, the protesters donít really have the means to escalate their cause to the same degree that the Chinese government does. The only ďdisarmamentĒ the protesters have is the hope that an escalation of force is politically unfavorable to the government because they look like bullies. The government, on the other hand, has tanks.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Aug 16th, 2019 at 2:01pm
On a lighter note... I saw a protest sign in English that said,ĒHong Kong is dangerousĒ
Reminds me of the old upright citizens brigade sketch with Amy Poehler:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hy0VMIH5thM&t=30

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Morphy on Aug 17th, 2019 at 7:28pm

Kick wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 10:48am:
It's super naive of me, but I can't help thinking with situations like this "Why can't we all just get along?". It's sad.


We can be naive together I guess because I feel the same way. Most average people I know can at least be civil. I work in Houston, one of the most diverse cities on Earth. I work day to day with people of all races, creeds and cultures. And we never have issues besides day to day normal human drama.

It's unfortunate that power attracts the very corrupt which naturally leads human civilization into a constant cycle of war and conflict that for some reason the average citizen is asked to pay for in blood.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Kick on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:37am
As I get older, the more and more convinced I get that basically all of humanity's problems are, at their core, down to greed. Whether it's for power or money or adoration or love, greed truly is the deadliest sin.

Title: Re: Hong Kong protests
Post by Rat Man on Aug 19th, 2019 at 9:04pm
Followed very closely by ignorance.

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