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Message started by Rat Man on May 21st, 2019 at 9:33am

Title: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on May 21st, 2019 at 9:33am
    In the Summer my little lake gets weed choked.  Most people would look st it and think "What a shame. That lake us ruined." I am the opposite. When I made the jump from being an average to a very successful fisherman learning to fish the junk was what made the difference. I specialize in fishing the garbage. The heavier the weeds and such the better. Both Bass and Pickerel  love heavy cover as do most predatory fish. They are ambush hunters.
     Most of the lures in your tackle box won't work in the thickest stuff. What works best is just about any plastic bait rigged Texas Style without a weight.  Hold your rod tip up high and slowly pull your lure over the mat. When you come to open pockets let it swim down.
      Some hard lures that are very weedless and can be used in this situation are those big tandem  Bass spinners or weedless spoons like the Johnson Silver Minnow (great lure) and Moss Boss.
     Volumes could be written about this subject. Bottom line, if you want to catch the big boys learn to fish the slop.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Jauke on May 21st, 2019 at 12:07pm
I've barely done any fishing in my life but it's a very popular hobby in the Netherlands. As a result you need a fishing permit if you want to fish above the age of 14 or 16 I think. Which costs 40 eur a year.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Kick on May 21st, 2019 at 12:57pm
I've done some fishing but I've been put off it. The last fish I caught was a pike that was so aggressive that it almost entirely swallowed the lure meaning I had to cut it's head off to get it out. Didn't have the time to prepare it to eat so it died for nothing but my own entertainment. Didn't feel good.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 22nd, 2019 at 6:15am
a good pair of disgorgers is essential if you're going to fish for things like pike. That and quicker reactions :-)
Also barbless hooks are a really good idea. Even on lures, I'll crimp the barbs flat. It doesn't make any real difference to catching the fish (if you don't keep tension on the line you don't deserve to land it anyway :-) - but a helluva difference in getting the hooks out.

You get very long locking thin scissor/plier things that work well for that kind of situation.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Straight-Stainless-Lockable-Position-NGT/dp/B014T6NBAG/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=long+disgorgers&qid=1558520072&s=gateway&sr=8-1


As for the fish, just gut it on the bank and freeze the carcass until you're ready to either fillet it or bake it whole.
Pike is good eating.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Kick on May 22nd, 2019 at 6:59am
No ability to freeze it at the cottage unfortunately :/

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 22nd, 2019 at 11:16am
then pickle it :-)

Vinegar, sugar, onions, salt and pepper. Come on dude you're in scandanavia - home of pickled fish !

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on May 22nd, 2019 at 8:50pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 6:15am:
a good pair of disgorgers is essential if you're going to fish for things like pike. That and quicker reactions :-)
Also barbless hooks are a really good idea. Even on lures, I'll crimp the barbs flat. It doesn't make any real difference to catching the fish (if you don't keep tension on the line you don't deserve to land it anyway :-) - but a helluva difference in getting the hooks out.

You get very long locking thin scissor/plier things that work well for that kind of situation.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Straight-Stainless-Lockable-Position-NGT/dp/B014T6NBAG/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=long+disgorgers&qid=1558520072&s=gateway&sr=8-1


As for the fish, just gut it on the bank and freeze the carcass until you're ready to either fillet it or bake it whole.
Pike is good eating.


Excellent advice, c_a. I fish mostly for Northern Chain Pickerel, which are a smaller cousin to the Pike.  They are also very toothy and violent. It's a good idea to carry wire cutters with you... ones that are sturdy enough to cut through your heaviest hooks.  For those who don't want to mash their barbs, often cutting them off is the only way to avoid tearing a fish to ribbons.  I would much rather waste a hook or even a six dollar lure than kill a fish for no reason. 

Jauke, one also needs a fishing license here in the States.  The age varies from state to state.  In my state of New Jersey I believe it's twelve.  A resident license costs $22.50.  If you wish to catch trout, which are stocked in this state, it's $5.00 more for a trout stamp.  I only did this once in my life because a friend wanted to.  The idea of paying to catch fish that they dumped into the creek doesn't appeal to me.  Plus trout fishing here is usually a cluster f**k with people on top of each other. 

Edit:  Also, if the fish is badly hooked it's sometimes it's best chance to survive is if you just to cut the line and leave the hook in the fish. The hook will oxidize in about three weeks.  This is for extreme cases like when the fish is gut hooked.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 23rd, 2019 at 6:01am
Actually another reason for using barbless hooks - it's much much easier and less painful to remove them from YOURSELF !

And yes, at some point you will stick yourself with a fish hook.
:-)
   

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on May 24th, 2019 at 12:38pm
   I'm all for barbless hooks.  I mentioned the cutters because not everyone is willing to switch to them.  Also I use steel worm weights instead of lead.  Steel doesn't pollute lakes and rivers or poison waterfowl.  There's an added bonus.  On a rig designed to make noise like a Carolina Clacker, (beads and weight bang into a swivel to make noise to attract fish) steel makes a lot more noise than lead.  Tungsten is more dense than lead and is really the ideal replacement for it but unfortunately it's brutally expensive (at least to me). Steel weights are much cheaper. Ultra-Steel is the brand I use.  I suppose there are others.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on May 24th, 2019 at 12:43pm
   Something else I'd like to mention.  Many lures are designed to catch fishermen or women rather than fish.  You can spend $40.00 or even more on a single lure.  If I spent that much on a lure I'd be afraid to cast in into the junk where the fish are.  Here's the bottom line... no matter how much you spend on a lure it won't catch fish any better than a cheap bag of plastic worms.  Don't be a fool.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on May 26th, 2019 at 6:09pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 6:01am:
Actually another reason for using barbless hooks - it's much much easier and less painful to remove them from YOURSELF !

And yes, at some point you will stick yourself with a fish hook.
:-)
   


I only ever hooked myself once, but I REALLY hooked myself.  I was fishing with my nephew, Mike.  I missed with a cast and my lure got stuck in a wall of stickers and brush on the shore.  I pulled but the lure was very stuck.  I pulled harder and the wall pulled out about two feet.  Did I mention that I was very drunk?   Suddenly the lure snapped out of the brush toward me like it was shot out of a cannon.  A very thick hook got buried in my left arm.  To get to a hospital to have it removed we would have had to ride to shore, put all of the gear and the boat up, drive out of the woods, (many miles) and drive to the nearest hospital.   We were back in the Jersey Pines so this also would have taken some time.  I really didn't feel like spending the next few hours with a big old lure attached to my arm so I took matters into my own hands.  The only way to free myself from the lure was to pop the hook back through  my skin and cut the barb off.  My skin is very tough and the hook was only moderately sharp.   I had to stretch my skin way out. Mike couldn't bear to watch and turned his back to the ordeal.  Being very drunk helped a great deal.  Finally the hook broke through with a loud !POP!  I'll never forget how Mike cringed upon hearing the sound.  But the hook was through, I cut the barb off, then pulled the hook out.  We finished our fishing day.  Luckily there was no infection. 
    Back to the point.  Had that been a barbless hook there would have been no drama. 

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jun 8th, 2019 at 8:39pm
   My very favorite lure is the Tiki Man Wave Worm.  It's a Senko knockoff.  If someone held a gun to my head and demanded that I catch a fish this is what I'd use.  Rigged Texas style with a 3/0 wide gap worm hook and no weight they are killer on Pickerel, Bass, or just about any predatory fish. Most will probably ignore this tip but I just told you something valuable.  Try them.
    BTW, I just realized that I've been fishing for sixty years.  Scary thought.
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jun 8th, 2019 at 8:51pm
    This is my second favorite lure, the Johnson Silver Minnow.  It's a weedless spoon.  It was invented about ninety years ago.    It's a very close second to the Tiki Man. It is extremely versatile and effective.  I like the 3/4 oz  model, gold color the most. It's best when rigged with a 4" twin tail grub as a trailer.  Other trailers also work.  Both the Sliver Minnow and the Tiki Man Wave Worm are designed to be used in the slop.  Fish them in the heaviest, worst cover you can find. 
    There is also much to be said for the good old regular purple plastic worm.  It worked for your grandfather and it works now. 
     There are MANY other lures that I love.  These are my three main ones.  What are some of your favorites? 
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by walter on Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:49pm
Rat Man, what do you think of dare devils and what fish would you try them on?


Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Jauke on Jun 10th, 2019 at 3:48pm
Had a long ride through the country side today.. saw many fishers out there on the canals. Young people, girls, boys, couples, old and young. It's something that many from the more rural areas (for Dutch terms) of Groningen learn when young, and still do when old.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jun 10th, 2019 at 8:25pm

walter wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:49pm:
Rat Man, what do you think of dare devils and what fish would you try them on?

  I love Daredevils.  They seem to work on just about every kind of fish, in fresh or salt water.  Some of the species I've caught with them are Bass (both Large and Smallmouth), Pickerel, Crappy, Sunnies, Catfish (yes, Catfish), Yellow and White Perch, Bluefish, Weakies, Shark, Trout, Rock Bass ... the list is long.  For many years I fished the Daredevil as is.  These days I remove the treble hook, replace it with a kinked shanked worm hook, and put a trailer on it.  This changes it's action from a spin to a wobble, but it's still very effective and rigged like this you can throw it in the slop where the fish are.  Though I use them all the 1/4 oz size is my favorite.  I like all of the patterns but the traditional red and white is my go to. Daredevils rank very high on my favorites list.  I wouldn't be without them.

Edit:  for many years the Daredevil was my #1 go to lure.  Then in the 80s I discovered the Johnson Silver Minnow and that became my favorite at the time.  But to this day Daredevils are very high on my list of best lures ever.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Morphy on Jun 11th, 2019 at 10:55am
Lately I've been thinking it would be fun to make my own lures and see if I can't catch some big fish on bits of string and tin. That would be very satisfying.

I agree on fishing the junk. I used to fish up in the mountains of Utah at a place called Navajo lake. When I was new there I couldn't figure out how one person was reeling in fish after fish while everyone else was getting skunked. Turns out you had to use a lot of weight to punch through the weeds way out in the middle of the lake. All the big trout were down there. We started catching a ton of fish after that realization.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by metalode on Jun 12th, 2019 at 10:38pm
Don't really get weed out here in the rivers, I do fish fallen/sunken timber though for murray cod, my favorite lure for that is a fruit salad 105mm stumpjumper. Cant use spoons there, they just get snagged when they hit a tree.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jun 15th, 2019 at 8:36pm
Morphy:
    My friend Del and I often design our own lures.  It's loads of fun and a good way to learn what works and what doesn't.
metaload:
    Stumpjumpers are always a good option.  I agree that they're great for working over fallen timber.  I also like a pig and jig for that purpose.  3/8 oz is a good size for me.  A black and blue skirt works the best around here. Many other colors can be effective.
    One more thing I'd like to say about Daredevils... they cast like a bullet.  That's one of the reasons I prefer the 1/4 oz size.  On light line you can cast one half way to France.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:03pm
  I mentioned tandem Bass spinners earlier.  They are very weedless even though they don't look like they would be.  I am a fan of big blades.  Any quality tandem bass spinner will work right out of the box but if you want to increase its effectiveness then increase the blade size.  You can order blades from Bass Pro, Cabala's or any such store. What kind of blade to use is too involved a subject to cover in a quick paragraph but whether you prefer Colorado, Indiana, or Willowleaf blades you can increase the number of hits you get by increasing the blade size.  Don't be afraid to use a #7 or #8 blade.  They might look obnoxiously big but trust me, the fish will love the extra flash.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 1:03pm
   I mentioned this once on another fishing thread here years ago... jig spinners.  You can attach any inline spinner like a Mepps, Roostertail, Blue Fox, Panther Martin, etc. to them. Why?  For two reasons.  First, they add extra fish attracting flash.  Also they eliminate line twist.  Using a swivel with an inline spinner helps prevent some line twist. Using jig spinner with one eliminates it completely. 
     You can also use jig spinners with any sort of jig or Shad Dart.  Plus you can build your own lures with them.  Put a grub on a standard 1/4 oz jighead and attach it to a jig spinner and you've just built an extremely effective lure for next to nothing.  Several of my friends' first lure fish ever were caught on such home made lures.
    The jig spinner is a very versatile piece of equipment.  What you can do with it is limited to your imagination. 
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jul 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm
  One other thing I'd like to mention is something that's been covered on other fishing threads here but I feel it's important enough to mention again... The Edge Theory.   I didn't invent The Edge Theory.  I read about it in In Fisherman magazine back in the 80s.  They admitted that they didn't invent it either. 
    Imagine you find yourself on a lake that you've never fished before.  How do you find the fish?  By fishing in a spot that has the most edges.  What sort of edges?  You're looking for differences.  Examples are where weeds meet open water, where different sorts of weeds and plants converge, where deep water meets shallow, where clear water meets stained, where cold water meets warm, where ice meets open water, where tributaries meet larger bodies of water, where fast moving water meets slow... the possibilities are many.  The bottom of the lake is an edge as is the surface.  Dusk and dawn are edges.  I could go on for a while with this but you get the idea.  Match up as many edges as you can in one place and you'll more than likely find the fish.  The Edge Theory also works just as well for hunting.  At first you have to think about it but after you've used it for a while finding edges becomes automatic.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Jul 17th, 2019 at 5:57pm
   Now is the time of Summer doldrums when the fishing action slows down considerably. It will stay this way until Fall. There is much natural food so the fish are less interested in your offerings. Also there are many more weeds so you can't zero in on cover... it's everywhere. Fish can still be caught but you have to work much harder. Sometimes downsizing your lure selections can help. The bottom line is that you'll be making many more casts for each fish.
     Depending on your area of the country, around October the fun starts again. The water cools, the weeds retreat, natural food becomes more scarce, and the fish have an urgency to feed and fatten up as much as possible before Winter sets in. Also many sportsmen are concentrating on hunting now so there is less pressure. Summer is tough. Mid to late Fall is my favorite time to fish.

Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:16pm
My guests had a good day on  my lake yesterday.  First is Chad with a couple of respectable Bass.
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:16pm
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:17pm
Chad's friend TJ also caught a couple.
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:18pm
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:19pm
  Chad's nine year old daughter Michelle was out by herself in my little Discovery canoe.  She caught the biggest one of the day.  It was her first bass ever. 
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Title: Re: More on Fishing
Post by Rat Man on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:21pm
    For some reason the Pickerel, which are plentiful in my lake, have been absent for a few weeks.  I think the water is too warm for them.  They're probably laying on the bottom in the deepest, coolest part of the lake waiting for Fall.
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