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Message started by Sarosh on May 8th, 2019 at 4:08am

Title: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Sarosh on May 8th, 2019 at 4:08am
https://youtu.be/h5dHUZ_TCTk

any tips on molding concrete ?

5-Jul-2019 EDIT:
2nd video https://youtu.be/YRUpBPRkItI
experiments #2,#3,#4
hope you like it!

minimum 2.5 minutes per egg. I would like to make 1 per minute.

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 8th, 2019 at 6:15am
buy a mould from me :-)

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Kick on May 8th, 2019 at 8:08am
Some day I'll have to manage some concrete ammo. Right now I don't have the space to make it and no where I would be comfortable using it. C_As moulds do look great.

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Jaegoor on May 8th, 2019 at 11:29am
Alex. Ich hätte gerne eine. Vor dem Brexit. 😁
https://youtu.be/ExE_y1fro6A

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by walter on May 8th, 2019 at 11:43am
Morphy did a how to vid on concrete ammo a year or two (3?) ago.

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 9th, 2019 at 7:44am
basically make it fairly stiff and just roll it - use gloves !

for a quick egg mould. Get some two part plastic easter eggs. Scoop concrete into moulds and put in eggboxes to dry and set.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Filler-Fillable-Eggs-Ideal-Scavenger/dp/B078S8RTMM/ref=sxts_bbp_recs_sx_w_p_v0?keywords=plastic+eggs&pd_rd_i=B078S8RTMM&pd_rd_r=ebf38213-fb50-4418-a531-5f14649c1d21&pd_rd_w=IZ97n&pd_rd_wg=lNGYg&pf_rd_p=79814bae-4e14-4d3c-996f-8d6f520c4fac&pf_rd_r=SMT0S6Y74VC16GNT4W03&qid=1557402169&s=gateway

or you could just fill and leave in the plastic to set. should come out fairly easily :-)

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Sarosh on May 9th, 2019 at 10:14am
@ Curious Aardvark

that's exactly what i want to do . to find a concrete mix that is fairly stiff and economical and use plastic eggs.

I don't want to leave then in the plastic to set because I want to produce ~70 eggs/batch and I dont want to buy 70 plastic eggs :P

If I used clay I surely would try your molds, they seem pretty fast producers.

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Jauke on May 9th, 2019 at 3:03pm
I have no tips on concrete. With regards to getting good ammo, I do wonder if it could be economical to buy throwable, smooth beach stones/pebbles in bulk.
Or maybe some people give it away for free if they want to reorganize their garden, as long as you come pick it up.
Maybe even cheaper than clay or concrete ammo.

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Jaegoor on May 10th, 2019 at 3:44am
Ich habe für meine Munition halb kugeln verwendet. Damit konnte man beton gut pressen.
Aber sie sind nicht sehr haltbar. 😁

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 12th, 2019 at 1:22pm
the problem with stones is that they shatter into sharp hard pieces.
In the uk, unless you can sling in a quarry, there's nowhere safe to use stones.

The clay i use, is not fired, so won't break into sharp edges and will actually dissolve in the rain if left out long enough.

Concrete is similiar, doesn't break into sharp edges.

If you mix shredded newspaper and pva glue into your concrete, and use fine sand you can make it fairly stiff and smooth - almost clay like.
The newspaper will also absorb moisture and stop it drying out to fast, as well as making it more durable to impacts.
Just make sure you wear gloves - lime is not stuff to mess about with !

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Kick on May 12th, 2019 at 2:32pm
One way to get around ammo smashing and becoming sharp is using a softer target. I often use cardboard boxes (I buy way to much crap off the internet...) and I've also on occasion stuffed them with paper to make them that bit more durable. If hey are cushioned enough they don't even break much and just "catch" the rocks.

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Sarosh on Jul 5th, 2019 at 3:54pm
https://youtu.be/YRUpBPRkItI
Also edited the first post.

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jul 6th, 2019 at 12:24am
Good stuff man!  It looks like your making good progress.

I'm thinking the #3 mix appears the most reliable so far.  Mix #4 looked good, but I think the aggregate is something of a double edged sword.  It's giving you more density, because it's larger pieces of solid rock within the mold.  But because of that, it's also causing a less uniform mixture.  Which seemed to result in less stability overall.  Was that your assessment?

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Sarosh on Jul 6th, 2019 at 3:21am
@ joe_meadmaker

yes. mix #1(previous video) and #3 are the best so far
but also I couldn't really judge mix #2 strength because of the wrong treatment the first 24h

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Eudave on Jul 6th, 2019 at 5:53pm
plaster of Paris pours nicely, not sure of density

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Morphy on Jul 7th, 2019 at 3:17pm
The key points to concrete:

Get the highest quality you can buy. Still very cheap for the amount you get. There is stuff with fiberglass and its quite good. Some of the cheaper stuff with gravel is garbage. Experiment until you find one that works.

Get the water content right. You want it to shape with no visible cracks on the surface but just to that point. It needs to be stoff enough to hold it's shape when  you put it in the egg crate.

You can add a little sand to the mix to make the over all ammo smooth on the surface. At the cost of some density and possibly some durability. It's your choice.

Lastly, find some way to compress it. Either with your hands or with a meatballer. Plastic Easter eggs can work but I doubt you will ever hit the minute per shot mark. Likely not even close. Meatballers or better yet your hands are much fast and even so you will struggle to break even at one minute per "good" ammo. It's right at that point though if you don't count prep and clean up.the more compression the less water you need and the stronger and denser the resulting shot.

After shaping is done and you have a good amount of ammo wait 30 minutes and spray the ammo with a fine mist of water thoroughly. Then close the egg crate lid or better yet put the whole crate in a rubber maid container with tight fitting life and spray the entire inside. It needs to stay very moist during curing for maximum strength. 3 days is useable, 2 weeks is ideal for curing.


High quality concrete ammo is the best pound for pound ammo I've ever use. Highly durable when made right, very cheap, as perfect as you can hope for in weight/shape/size. Even so make sure you have a backstop or you will be making thousands of shots over your slinging adventures. Speaking from experience here. The backstop is the unsung hero of the slinger.

Good luck!

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Sarosh on Jul 7th, 2019 at 4:31pm
@ Morphy

Thanks for the tips!

yes I don't count prep or clean up for the 1 egg/ minute goal.

I did something good with the mix #1 which I can't understand what it is.
mix#2,3 have a more rough surface(looks like sand, porous surface) than mix #1(which looks grey like concrete should) so I want your opinion could it be just the initial water content? or is it the mixing time? or both? or something else?

I feel like it can't be compressed just shaped.

what density do you get ? I estimate mine to be @ 2grams/ml and I feel a difference with stones of 2.2 or 2.5 grams/ml

Title: Re: Concrete egg ammo experiment
Post by Morphy on Jul 7th, 2019 at 7:10pm
I agree, water content. You mentioned in the first video its too wet at first. You're right. That was way too wet. But afterwards it looked drier when you were shaping it? Correct me if Im wrong here. Water content is actually super important for good concrete ammo.

What I usually do is get it really close to the correct water content, shape it roughly to the desired egg shape (by hand/meatballer) then lightly spritz it with the water bottle. The amount you can add to the water content with a water bottle is very even and controlled.

I "think" you're having issues because of the plastic eggs. Dry enough not to stick means not enough water. Its possible you can spray it with the water bottle but it seems like thats not adding an even enough water content throughout to make the optimum cure. That's my best guess. Any "gluing" is really sensitive to correct pressure vs "wetness". Also might not hurt to always wash the sand. Correctly done the strength is much, much higher than when things are just slightly off. Doesn't seem to be much room for error.

As for compressing you will feel the mix shift within itself as you compress it. A little too wet and its like compressing mud. i.e. impossible. A little too dry and you wont feel anything shifting either. It's all about the ratio of water. Might also have to do with the type of aggregate I was using personally, but I would be surprised if you couldnt compress those at least a little.

If everything is correctly made and compressed you can take the just made ammo and lightly knock it on the table (work surface) and it wont affect the ammo shape or break. It will almost feel set, Although if you tap it too hard you will see otherwise.

The best/strongest ammo I've made was with a meatballer. You can really put a lot of pressure on the ammo when making it. The steps are spray meatballer, dip in fine sand, shake off excess, put your mix it, squeeze like hell and take out.

I had one set that was particularly strong where for kicks I threw by hand point blank at the concrete road and it didnt break after three or four throws. These were hard throws too. Anyways, it will outdo clay by a long shot.

EDIT: I have never checked density but I would estimate it is within 10-20% of a good river stone. That's my wild guess, don't quote me on it.  ;D

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