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Message started by Jauke on Jan 22nd, 2019 at 2:01pm

Title: Woodburners
Post by Jauke on Jan 22nd, 2019 at 2:01pm
Anyone else live in an area where woodburners have increased tremendously?

I can no longer enjoy the winter as the hard smell of woodsmoke lingers in the streets almost always.
So I am locked inside with air purifiers.

Don't get me wrong, I love a camp fire in the middle of nowhere, but this idiotic government policy here to increase taxes on natural gas is leading to a huge increase in woodburners in homes, and some burn impregnated wood, which leads to incredibly toxic fumes.

It'll likely be banned in a few years, it's really getting out of hand, there was a national debate about it a few days ago, but all it lead to was stricter rules on the sale of new woodburnerrs in 2020, which doesn't solve a thing.

People are ignorant about how toxic woodsmoke really is. It is much worse than cigarette smoke, or car exhaust.


Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by Rat Man on Jan 24th, 2019 at 2:13pm
   In New Jersey wood burners are few and far between.  We're heavily populated so it wouldn't take long for us to burn up all of our trees if everyone was using wood. Plus the smog would be overwhelming.

Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by Kick on Jan 24th, 2019 at 2:55pm
Despite Finland being mostly trees (the rest is lakes) burning wood at home isn't all that common. Some of the older houses do and there are a fair few woodburning saunas, but most of the woodburners are out in the woods at the summer cottages meaning you only ever smell smoke when it's your sauna you're warming :D

Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by Mersa on Jan 24th, 2019 at 4:41pm
Let's just dig up fossil fuels and burn them that's way smarter....not.


Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by Jauke on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:38am

Rat Man wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
   In New Jersey wood burners are few and far between.  We're heavily populated so it wouldn't take long for us to burn up all of our trees if everyone was using wood. Plus the smog would be overwhelming.


It's becoming an epidemic here. Last week, for 4 days straight, the air over our whole country was close to as bad as in Beijing. It's all because of the tremendous increase in woodburners.


Mersa wrote on Jan 24th, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Let's just dig up fossil fuels and burn them that's way smarter....not.


Depends on what fossil fuels you are talking about. Natural gas burns 1000x cleaner than wood. Electricity and heat created by centralized, modern coal power plants with large filtration systems is much cleaner than a hundreds of thousands of highly inefficient woodburners, that do not have any filtration system at all.

Right up to about 2010 my country had quite clean air. Then it all went down hill, due to massive tax increases on natural gas, decreased production and closure of coal powerplants. What is the result? 1 million more woodburners in a country of 17 million. In my street alone, there are 6. Now most of the winter time, many, many days the air is thick and smoggy. I've bought expensive filitration system with HEPA and active charcoal filters so atleast inside the pollution is low. It's really getting out of hand. I never thought my country would slide down into a second and third world air quality index. To hell with the greens  and the European Union with their CO2 madness for causing this honestly

Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by perpetualstudent on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:53am
There are never easy solutions.  In fact, no solutions only tradeoffs.

You can get good combustion of wood with a catalytic converter but not everyone does. In the US pellet stoves are more popular and these help deal with the issues of wood byproducts from sawmills. Cleaning out the dead wood and undergrowth of forests also helps with forest fire issues. That wood isn't good for much besides burning. So if we cut down wood/pellet burning, those waste products will pile up.


Where are you located Jauke?

Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by Mersa on Jan 27th, 2019 at 5:37pm
Well I think that as a tree guy , wood is good.
Oldest bits of timber your likely to burn are under 1000 years old .
Fossil fuels are way way older.
Trees sequest Carbon.
Mostly everything else releases it in a relitive shot time.
Fossil fuels are basically super old forests of carbon.

In all humans suck and ruin everything.
But it's mainly our scale.
Too many people.

Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by walter on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:31pm
Bumper sticker on my pick up claimed that "Wood Is Good"  :)

Title: Re: Woodburners
Post by Rat Man on Feb 14th, 2019 at 1:00am

Mersa wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 5:37pm:
In all humans suck and ruin everything.
But it's mainly our scale.
Too many people.

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