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Message started by Kick on Dec 14th, 2018 at 6:18pm

Title: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 14th, 2018 at 6:18pm
As soon as I heard about the captured release sling, I knew eventually I'd have to have a go at making one. It turns out that day was today. I used two pieces of paracord and some leather so it's as basic as it can be. For now, I'm just using a simple knot to hold for the release but eventually I'll upgrade it. I hope to go test it out tomorrow using the ice balls I've shown on the forum before.
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Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Sarosh on Dec 15th, 2018 at 2:47am
Nice Y sling
on the captured release: i haven't notice any advantage. It could be that it increases reloading time for normal length slings.

you can also try to put a rubberband for smoothness of capture attached with prussic knots so it can be removed in the field quickly for experimentation.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 15th, 2018 at 3:38am
I still haven't tested it, but one thing I think might help with this one in particular is that it's really long. I think this is now in the top three of the longest slings I have (113cm in the "released position") and having it as captured release will ensure I don't have a super long release end flying off, dragging on the ground or getting caught in bushes. It should help keep it more controlled. I really like the idea of the design and how they look and as far as I can tell this one will work even if it doesn't work any better than a normal sling :D

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 15th, 2018 at 5:17am
I've already had a go at improving the release. It's still as basic as you can get but this is far more comfortable to hold than the single knot. I've also found, through experimenting and slight adjustments, that this holds tennis balls no problem. Quite an achievement seeing as I freehanded the pouch design then mirrored it. I really can't wait to test it.
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Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Sarosh on Dec 15th, 2018 at 10:45am
for that length you are gonna love it more than an equivalent normal sling

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 15th, 2018 at 10:56am
Ok so I'm just back from testing it using ice balls and...

Useless.

I should clarify though, the sling? Great! Ice ball ammo? Also great! Ice ball ammo thrown using this sling? Falls out immediately. They're just a bit too small and a bit too slippy and spherical. They roll straight out as soon as I bring it round my head (it's super long so I was attempting helicopter). Rocks and tennis balls, it grips with no problem so I'll have to go out and do some proper testing with them.

Luckily, I had brought along one of the Tibetan slings so the ice balls didn't go to waste. Seriously everyone should get an ice ball mould. Really cheap on eBay for consistent, eco-friendly ammo that smashes spectacularly and that just takes a few hours in the freezer. It's fantastic. I'm thinking of buying a 6 ball mould so that I then can make 10 balls at a time. I could have 30 balls in a single day of setting them up. the other great thing with them is that it doesn't need to be super cold outside to use them. They actually stay frozen for a long time even in plus degrees.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Frondeur on Dec 16th, 2018 at 11:47am

Sarosh wrote on Dec 15th, 2018 at 2:47am:
Nice Y sling
on the captured release: i haven't notice any advantage. It could be that it increases reloading time for normal length slings.


Trying to sling on the mountain ways, it prevents de release cord to tangle in the bushes on the side.
To put this an other way: it reduces a bit the space you need to sling. Of course, that makes more sense for a short sling...

I have only one captured sling, an it's a long one. I'm planning to make a mini one, just to sling in the woods, where it's sometimes hard to adjust your style, having a tree on this side, abush here, and that poopy of a branch over there, all tha on a sloppy ground... I'm sure you know the problem! 

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 16th, 2018 at 12:37pm

Frondeur wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 11:47am:
I have only one captured sling, an it's a long one. I'm planning to make a mini one, just to sling in the woods, where it's sometimes hard to adjust your style, having a tree on this side, abush here, and that poopy of a branch over there, all tha on a sloppy ground... I'm sure you know the problem! 


I'm thinking of making another shorter one too. This one really only ended up so long because the length of paracord I started with was long and I didn't bother cutting it, I just built the rest of the sling to match :D I'm thinking of also changing the shape of the pouch slightly to better hold ammo. This one still needs more testing I think before I make a second but I think a smaller one would be pretty cool.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Curious Aardvark on Dec 16th, 2018 at 1:42pm
I'm slightly biased as the only captive release sling I have tried to kill both me and david :-)

It's really bloody long.

A shorter one would probably be less lethal.

Although i still don't really see the point of them.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 16th, 2018 at 2:11pm
I was just thinking how it would be good of I had a shorter version then realised that, with the knots I have for this long one, I can just adjust it, put some little plastic clips I have on and, hey presto, shorter sling! It's now fully adjustable and seems to suffer no ill effects! I'll post up some photos when I have time.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Frondeur on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 1:43pm
done! I'm now the proud owner of a woodland mini-sling.
It's looking about just like your first model, Kick, and is just 50cm long (between the middle of the pouch to the release knot) and very light: 11g!
Now, 30-to-40 grams tissue ammo fits verry well in it.

To come:
- a better release system, someting lie yours, I think.
- the pouch. I will try a more "regular" trinagle pouch like here: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1501700280

to be continued...

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 2:33pm
Awesome! I still haven't much of a chance to test out mine properly but hopefully over you'd holiday I'll have a chance to get down to the park.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by jax on Dec 24th, 2018 at 2:10pm
Send me your address and I will mail you one of my father's designs made for golf balls or baseball's.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Curious Aardvark on Dec 24th, 2018 at 2:16pm
lol just be warned jax;s slings are really long and the baseball one WILL try and kill you :whistle:

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 24th, 2018 at 6:50pm

Burner wrote on Dec 24th, 2018 at 2:10pm:
Send me your address and I will mail you one of my father's designs made for golf balls or baseball's.


Awesome! That would be great to compare mine to it :D

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Frondeur on Dec 30th, 2018 at 12:44pm
Hello!

I've finaly given a try to the triagle pouch. i may have made wrong choices regarding the size of the pouch, or maybe the branches, or what, but by now I'm quite disapointed.
I've hoped that this kind of 'true Y' pouch (by contrast with the 'T'pouch' Kick and I chose first chose) would solve the slipping problems with ice or glass balls; well, it ends up I can't keep anything in that pouch! Each time my ball jump out sideways in the begining of the stroke. Didn't analyse the why for now...

Jax, I will PM you too for your father's design.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Sarosh on Dec 30th, 2018 at 3:00pm
@ Frondeur
It could be that during wind up the retention cord is pulled slightly but enough to release.

Use narrow grip.
or
Maybe the retention cord should be longer.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Dec 30th, 2018 at 5:05pm
I do think I might change my pouch design more to a proper Y rather than the T. It does hold balls somewhat well but would be better if it was larger and more cupped from being closer to a Y.

Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:47am
I went and redesigned the pouch. The T pouch just allows the ball to fall out too easily. This should work a lot better. Have to see after some testing.
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Title: Re: Captured release sling
Post by Kick on Jan 12th, 2019 at 10:51am
Hmmm. Mixed results. I went out with the ice balls and they worked much better with this shape of pouch... until they didn't. I think they started melting and got just a bit too slippy. I still need to try it out with tennis balls which should work better than the ice balls. I now have a 6 ball ice mold so I can now make 10 balls at a time.

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