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Message started by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:47am

Title: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 24th, 2018 at 9:47am
Hi All!! glad to be welcomed into the fold here! i have been interested in slings and slinging for something like 5 years now, and first i took som 4mm and wove a sheepshank pouch with paracord that tennis ball'd ok (my form likely still sucks) and then made a (bear with me) reverse twist 24 strand, with a split pouch of 3 strands reverse twisted from artificial sinew thats wrapped around my hiking stick for the ever present 'what-ifs'. I plan to make a Mersa split pouch single cord sling, but i am not sure what size cordage to use with it, for smaller than tennis ball sized glandes that i plan to hand make from red clay. glandes seem less a hassle and cheaper than store-bought cane handmade arrows. i got into slings because i got into bushcraft after i got into hammocking and realizing that i can't carry everything into the woods with me. backpacks get heavy when you're bringing a raft and food and axes and drawknives, etc. figuring that ranged hunting weapons will be hard as rock to create in the woods, i stumbled upon a reference to David and Goliath and felt the lightbulb spark. due to city living and having had a baby boy in march of this year, i'm pressed for the time to make trips to safe slinging areas so i have little to no practice, but that isn't going to deter me from building me a mersa sling and carrying it around with me as an edc item. i look forward to interactions with you all and learning from you what i may.  iw ill be setting up my signature and the details of this forum for my personal liking soon, but in the mean time i will share with you the mark i have left on this world [  http://youtu.be/Rk-P-MVnMPk ] and another video detailing my mark on this world by a great and hilarious youtuber/hammockforums.net fellow member here [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HHncxp_SvA ] feel free to ask any questions or shoot any free nowledges you'd like to my way. im eager to learn and super helpful.

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by kicktheotter on Nov 24th, 2018 at 1:57pm
Welcome from Finland! Are you planning any videos of yourself slinging? That's definitely the best way for getting help with technique. There are a lot of very experienced slingers that know their stuff and that have certainly helped me :D

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 24th, 2018 at 2:00pm
so heres my hiking stick with the sling on it and the sling separate. i spliced a retention eye the same as one would a flemish bowstring, because these are techniques i had already developed and art sinew probably won't last that many slings so i'm upgrading meow with a jute rockman. im to the pouch and its tedious but easier on the arthritic hands than reverse wrapping. diggin it, and this forum so far!
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Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 24th, 2018 at 2:03pm
hmmmm...rotation is off...apologies. the first round, the size was ridiculous, then i found CA's imageresizer and set that up and used it, so thanks for that!!

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 24th, 2018 at 3:16pm
Welcome from a former Albuquerqian living in Texas!   I hope you had some good green chile this Thanksgiving.
I canít wait to see more of how a hammock guy approaches sling making :)

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by Mersa on Nov 24th, 2018 at 3:55pm
Welcome from down under

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 25th, 2018 at 1:14am
kicktheotter: thanks for the tip, i'll definitely try to make that happen in order to get some help when i solidify my throwing grounds. Finland!?! im jealous, i dream of being in your forests nightly, making bows near campfires in front of bushcraft shelters!!
NooneOfConsequence: green chili turkey, as a matter of fact, and it was hot and glorious! there are some neat things i have planned for a woven pouch sling that have some hammocky roots, you'll see! eventually lol
Mersa: :cheers: you build your namesake from dynaglide? looks like dynaglide and seems like the dyneema fiber ropes would be the longest lasting material one could possibly use for its tremendous abrasion resistance. <- another thing that comes from hammockry, i have plenty of high tech cordages to try! dynaglide is first up but im out of it atm :P 

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 25th, 2018 at 1:25am
theguywitheyebrows's jute Rockman mk1 pre-whip. not bad once my wife taught me to anchor the retention loop to ease my life a little. two finger retention loop, havent slung it yet, still gunna whip the...wassit release cord? at the pouch likely tonight. my pouch strappys are uneven in width down the length. i, regrettably, tapered the release cord and the end is very thin and seemingly difficult to keep hold of. also, too long, and will have to have a large knot built up, likely a figure 9. on to whipping!! my 8 month old does not want sleep, so i got the time ;)
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Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by kicktheotter on Nov 25th, 2018 at 6:35am

theguywitheyebrows wrote on Nov 25th, 2018 at 1:14am:
kicktheotter: thanks for the tip, i'll definitely try to make that happen in order to get some help when i solidify my throwing grounds. Finland!?! im jealous, i dream of being in your forests nightly, making bows near campfires in front of bushcraft shelters!!


Finland can be a pretty great place to live but not so much in November :D It's been getting dark around half 3 and minus temperatures but still no snow. Hopefully soon. The snow always helps with the darkness.

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 25th, 2018 at 10:08am
Welcome from northern maine, it's cold here. About to get our 4th snow fall today so far. We have about 7in of snow on the ground now

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by walter on Nov 25th, 2018 at 2:49pm
Welcome! Fun show and tell  :)

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by Mersa on Nov 25th, 2018 at 3:34pm
It's a dyneema cord ,I use it to access trees , I'm a tree climber by trade and I know it as Throwline however the exact brand and construction I have is no longer available
i think any dyneema will be suffice

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:05am
@ Mersa
† †† if its a flat weave, its spectra, if its a round braid its dynaglide. ha! i thought i recognized my favorite tarp suspension line! it was developed for arborists' to use as throwline, and hammockers appropriated it for its 900+lbs test and UL yet ULTRA STRONG abilities. dyneema resists abrasion, chemicals, sunlight, oils, it floats, and it doesn't retain water. dyneema is the best fiber for any rope application. except sawing with rope, far too slippery to saw through stuff with.
heres my completed rockman, whipped and all the fuzzies burned off. pouch strips are uneven and it could be longer. still haven't slung it yet, but feels good in the hand. now to figure out red clay/sand glandes
rockman_mk1_finished1__Small_.JPG (86 KB | 31 )

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:09am
took 3 edits, and i still dont understand the picture rotation thing  :-/

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by Drakolith on Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:30am
Welcome to the forum!

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 27th, 2018 at 10:34am
@ vetryan15
     if i woke up with 7" of snow, the world around me would be in chaos! these desert people can't even drive in a drizzle lol, and they 2 hr delay school for anything over 1.5" snow, or sleet which is more likely; it almost never precipitates in any fashion other than morning dew anyway.
     i spent time in and around Ruidoso/Cloudcroft, NM area and that place gets 4-5 month spans of 36" frozen slabs of this shaded snowmeltfreeze nonsense that seemingly never goes away; those people expect you to be able to drive uphill in it to fix the tv ::) which is what i used to do before i accidentally tried to twist off my knee (not at work) and am battling for my job back and the stupid amount of money the maths say they owe since they quit paying my disability. in 2016, the stupids.
@ walter
     thanks! i love to demonstrate anything i came up with. if ever any hammock/camping/bushcrafting/survival ideas or questions pop up ever, feel free to shoot them my way. i have an enormous amount of random information stored in my brain on crazy subjects, nothing would ever be so out of the ordinary that i didn't at least have a start.
for instance, in my pursuit of 'my way', i did not tie off the ends of the pouches as instructed, and evidently 'my way' was lame because it came undone before i ever even slung it. the ends are whipped under the first couple wrappings, so they should stay and if they do not stay then :'( i'll try again. i feel as though this jute won't last through too much abuse anyhow, but i hada do it with my ADHD hands and jute was the best choice as its cheap,on hand, and when it deteriorates i won't be too hurt.
@ Drakolith
     thank you! you have possibly the most epic lawful or chaotic evil handle, ever. My brother in law is about to DM 5e Mines of Phandelver for my wife and i to play, fully hope we meet one of your ilk by which to :archer: in the face!  i once, back when you schlepped your pc in a wagon, had a friend that setup LAN parties in a backroom in some kids house somewhere that had the handle alucard187u on like everything. everquest and everquest-y games. i am honored to have known the dastardly rouge lol. RIP KWASS!
thanks for the welcome fellas, and the first attempt was to show that i mean business. i started building arrows (cane stakes at home depot $4, craft feathers at walmart $2, dollar store superglue, thread, 2 ton epoxy i already had in a bucket) because i got a bow from an unlce that died (RIP KEVIN!), i spliced a string out of dyneema hammock suspension line that works perfectly, and decimated my crappy fiberglass arrows on a steel plate in my backyard from 30 yards fairly accurately and i needed more arrows but am broke. i learned to make string from materials at hand and i mean to learn to make a bow whenever that opportunity presents itself to me. i currently live in a desertous scrubland that offers few, if any, treestands of any size and no rivercane. we got yucca. and we got dirt and we got mesquite bushes. and we got rocks. yucca makes string, and dirt (seemingly) makes glandes, and if not there are rocks around. this is a thing that can happen in a few hours time and possibly bink a rabbit. rabbit is about all a wild and hungry desert person without a rifle is going to get. and if he had a rifle, he'd still get rabbit because its good eatin when one is hungry! ;)
finished a 2nd keychain in the slingweave fashion this morning!
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Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by mountainman on Nov 27th, 2018 at 10:38am
Welcome from Utah, just north of you.  Fun to meet a fellow bushcrafter.  I have been getting into that recently, I did all stone age primitive tech for years, then transitioned to Historical (Fur trade) era living history.  and now I am mixing those with a little bit of modern gear to create my bushcraft kit and get out on the ground more. 

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 27th, 2018 at 1:03pm
@ mountainman

EPIC! i have tried to knap glass and floor tile and fail to grasp 'shaping' properly, its difficult lol, and i smashed a spoon flat for a trade point to go into an arrow, but i only dabble and love it. totally would get into one of those living history exhibits anywhere from viking era forward. thanks for the welcome! :D

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 28th, 2018 at 5:19am
I totally understand the disability part, going through that myself

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by Drakolith on Nov 28th, 2018 at 11:41am
Hah, I actually made up my username by combining my middle name, Drake, with monolith and I thought it sounded cool. People on this forum have surprisingly pointed out other things similar/using this name I thought I made up.  ;D Out of curiosity, why shoot at a metal plate with arrows instead of a softer target? If you need an easy, cheap target, when I did archery and didnít have a target I just stuffed a pillowcase with dog toy stuffing (my dogs tear up toys quite fast) and hung it up.

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 29th, 2018 at 11:08pm
@ Drakolith

i had a hollow core door and a piece of particle board i thought would stop them more that did not stop them much at all before they ate the steel plate. i had the plate setup to ensure a downward ricochet in case that happened too much, as i live smack in the middle of a residential neighborhood with dogs on all sides of me; rather destroy (cheap, random) arrows than risk one going anywhere other than down. those were cheapy youth bow kit arrows anyhow that i wasnt sure were going to work with a bow i wasnt sure was going to work, and the cane arrows i made up were far more awesome, even if way too heavy to be used for any real archery. definitely would penetrate the flesh of a man. watermelons i have no doubt would be decimated. now, if i can get these red clay/sand glandes built and dried and make them smash melons i'll be tickled pink.

A Dracolith is a dragon who stores his/her soul in a phylactery thereby negating death. super powerful wizards and warlocks do this to ensure they don't die (until the phylactery is smashed, they usually wear it around their neck or seal it away in some distant dungeon or castle tower to protect it) and can conquer or enslave or whatever floats their boat. dragons who submit to this process usually want to bask in their wealth and squalor for eternity, vain creatures that they are. very powerful, super hard to kill, color affects what effects they produce: black is acid, blue is lightening, red is fire, etc. D&D is epic, and 5e (current) has much and many of everything. undead dragons of immense power included.

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by kicktheotter on Nov 30th, 2018 at 5:27am

theguywitheyebrows wrote on Nov 29th, 2018 at 11:08pm:
A Dracolith is a dragon who stores his/her soul in a phylactery thereby negating death. super powerful wizards and warlocks do this to ensure they don't die (until the phylactery is smashed, they usually wear it around their neck or seal it away in some distant dungeon or castle tower to protect it) and can conquer or enslave or whatever floats their boat. dragons who submit to this process usually want to bask in their wealth and squalor for eternity, vain creatures that they are. very powerful, super hard to kill, color affects what effects they produce: black is acid, blue is lightening, red is fire, etc. D&D is epic, and 5e (current) has much and many of everything. undead dragons of immense power included.


Ah that's a lich though not a lith. I am actually in the process of writing a short story about a lich set in the modern world :D

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Nov 30th, 2018 at 12:22pm
@ kicktheotter

YEAH!! can't believe i let that slip by :o also stated -lith in some canons, i meant lich though fully. fail on my part, good on you kicktheotter lol

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by Drakolith on Nov 30th, 2018 at 2:56pm
Huh, cool. Iíve actually never played D&D but would like to someday. My character would definitely have a sling  ;D

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:45pm
@ Drakolith

the 5th edition player's handbook gives this for slings in weapons:

Sling: ranged weapon, simple  Value:1 Silver  1D4 Bludgeoning damage, no weight, with a range of 30-120ft

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by Kick on Dec 7th, 2018 at 4:33am

theguywitheyebrows wrote on Dec 6th, 2018 at 5:45pm:
Sling: ranged weapon, simple† Value:1 Silver† 1D4 Bludgeoning damage, no weight, with a range of 30-120ft


I say it's far too underpowered. I wouldn't mind if they made slings inaccurate at low levels or something but 1D4? Might as well punch them.

Title: Re: New slinger novice from SE NM!
Post by theguywitheyebrows on Dec 18th, 2018 at 7:47am
extremely underpowered, but if your DM has any familiarity they could always scale it depending on your D20 roll anyway. a nat20 at distance would be devastating for sure. i have such terrible technique i doubt i'll ever be even fair with one of these things. very difficult. and if the football-shaped glandes were to be spiraled for point on contact, i feel they would do tremendous damage, especially to wildlife. i can't fathom for the life of me the method for that, mostly because i can't fling anything very far YET, and im super interested to see if i can get to proficient with this thing. brings a whole new respect for the mogadishu kids who pelted marines on patrol from outside the killzone.

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