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Message started by RS on Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:08pm

Title: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by RS on Feb 28th, 2018 at 8:08pm
i have read an old book, which, according to my copy, had it's sixth reprint in 1961, call 'the realm of the incas' by victor w. von hagen.

he discusses many topics regarding the incas, and has redrawings of pictures that were drawn by one of the spanish after they landed in peru.
one pic is of the inca(as technically there is only one inca, the ruler, at a time) being carried and he is playing with a sling.
in the book it is declared that all able bodied men or most all are expected to show up to fight in wartime, but the state kept and issued the weapons, which for the most part were: a mace type of blunt object for hand to hand, a short spear for close range and a sling. they also used a rock tied to a string.
the state trained them in weapons use when they were of age but they did not carry them when not in war. at the end of the war, the state took the weapons back and stored them in arsenals located around the empire and the temporary soldiers went back to farming.
the only full time armed military were the inca's personal body guards.(several thousand, perhaps as many as ten thousand.)
it is a good little book. i have read my copy twice. perhaps if i have time i can post out some of what little is written about the sling parts of it, but as i do not have a scanner, it would be a chore. plus no way to post the redrawn pics.
if any one wishes to read the book, pm me and i will freely send it to you as i have already read it twice. it is in rough shape but all there and very interesting.

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Morphy on Mar 1st, 2018 at 9:15am
How much of it is about the weapons they used?

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by RS on Mar 1st, 2018 at 5:13pm
well he has some yes. a few pages of weapons and warfare. and how the empire fell. it did not go down like the aztecs and mayas, it's fall was somewhat different and if they had not just had a five year civil war when the spanish arrived in which they lost their top generals, who knows how that confrontation would have turned out. it is an interesting book. i read a lot. stress= A LOT! it is just my thing, man...so when i am done with a book, any book, i do not like them crowding up the house and try to share them with whomever is interested... so i do not mind paying postage if u or anyone else wishes to read it. i've been delving into cultural evolution, regard vocational and primitive industrial advances in different societies around the world that knew nothing of each other but many things evolved the same way. i guess lord kelvin was right about biological evolution only being able to evolve in the way it has and the life forms produced surviving to reproduce. and since everything seems to be patterned the same, it would seem for the most part, successful engineering advances came to different cultures the same way.

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Morphy on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 1:32am
Interesting. Well I love that kind of stuff. Anything detailing the design and use of primitive weapons fascinates me, always has. As far as the book goes I'm going to have to keep an eye out for it. I'm unfortunately too busy to do much reading on extracurricular subjects at the moment but someday I will have to check it out.

But, if you find any really interesting things worth posting, I and I'm sure others would be very interested to read it. (This forum acts sort of like a cliff notes for all the cool subjects I would like to look into more deeply but simply don't have the time for.)

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Bill Skinner on Mar 8th, 2018 at 10:21pm
Did the book mention that small pox had arrived about five years prior and killed off the ruling families, (and about 1/2 of the population) which is what started the civil war?

I think that is a fairly recent development.  It was know that small pox had a major effect on the Incas, I'm not sure when someone figured out that the civil war was a scramble for power after a lot of the ruling elite were wiped out due to small pox.   


Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by RS on Mar 11th, 2018 at 10:10pm
hi bill,
i read it twice but that i cannot remember. i do remember the old inca at the time died without picking a successor, and he even had time on his death bed but did not do so. he had two main sons who opted for power. one hung with the military guys and was favored by the generals, the other in the old inca's last years accompanied him on travels throughout the empire and met and was thus favored by the administrators of the different provinces and the populace. but pox could have been what the old inca died from, idk....

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Curious Aardvark on Mar 12th, 2018 at 8:42am
And does anyone really believe that nobody had their own slings ?

Pretty interesting :thumb:

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by RS on Mar 12th, 2018 at 7:01pm
hey mr curious aardvark, the full time military who were the inca's personal body guards had slings. but even though their's was a theocracy really, it does not seem to matter in regards to history teaching us, (hope this is not too political for this place) any socialist type of society seems to insist on keeping the general populace disarmed...until they are needed to fight, kill and die in war.day in day out, they had little time for such things. all men were trained with weapons for a small time, other than that, they had a plot of land to work with little time anything else and sloth(which could be not having as much produced as ur neighbors,) was punishable by death.

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Curious Aardvark on Mar 13th, 2018 at 4:05pm
big empire, people would have hunted for table meat.

In medieval england poaching venison was punishable by death - didn't stop people doing it, never does. :-)

And the thing about socialism -  or indeed any totalitarian regime, is brainwashing - it's irrelevant if the populace is armed or not.

I keep seeing the socialism arguments on facebook (only from americans).
Everyone else knows it's not about guns, never had vbeen and never will be.

Nazi germany was not disarmed - that's kind of the point, they didn't need to be.
You turn your population against a small minority and guns simply are not part of the equation.

It's what trump is trying to do - given his proven brainwashing techniques - he's got a chance to do it. Slim, but definitely there.


Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Luxis on Jun 5th, 2018 at 9:08am

@RS, can you take some photos of those sling related parts of the book and post it? It won't be as good as scanned, but it could be decent, if you have good mobile phone or camera and a steady hand

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by kicktheotter on Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:05am
Just so you know Luxis, we tried getting RS to share his sources with us for months and we got nothing. It's better to file RS's stories in the same place as Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and Bigfoot...

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Luxis on Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:27am

OK, I'll have that in mind. Thanks

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 5th, 2018 at 11:27pm
Oh, man! I have to admit that I kinda got excited when I saw an RS post bubble up to the top again. I thought wed get some new tales of ancient sling fishing or maybe new stories about Jesus the noodler :)

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by funditor on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:33pm
I just ordered the book, lets see what is really inside :)

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by kicktheotter on Jul 10th, 2018 at 3:42pm
Which book? I didn't think RS had actually told anyone what it's name was.

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Morphy on Jul 10th, 2018 at 4:46pm
He edited the thread and put in the book title. Thats good. I wish he was more forthcoming with the other sources but that's a good start.

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by funditor on Jul 10th, 2018 at 11:49pm
I am not sure though if there are version differences

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by kicktheotter on Jul 11th, 2018 at 3:51am
Oh my god it's a miracle! We actually got a real source of information from RS!

Title: Re: the incan empire...farming culture, slinging military
Post by Mersa on Jul 11th, 2018 at 5:54am
Ha ha

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