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Message started by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 1:39am

Title: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 1:39am
Hey guys I'm going to try explain how I tied my sling.
However there are a few things I want to point out first.
This method is suited to a strong cordage as it has a load bearing knot. Weaker fibers may break at this knot point.
Knotability and diameter of cord used also have different effects on this design. Finally with all slings tied from a single strand, finding where the pouch should start and allowing enough cord for both finger loop and retention cord may take a few goes. If you have more cord than you need this shouldn't be a problem as you can tie it at the correct length and cut off any excess.


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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 1:45am
First step is to try and figure out where the pouch will be this will be different for everyone so I am not supplying any measurements only the methodology.
Once you think you have found the sweet spot tie a bowline.

My photos are not scale and I am only showing the basic method read the full instructions first to allow yourself the best chance of tieing a bowline in the right spot the first time.
This is less important if you have excess cordage.
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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 1:51am
In the next photo I have turned the bowline over , I will try keep the photos orrientated the same.

Taking the "tail" (the strand facing into the bowline) start weaving between the 2 sides of the bowline.

Repeat this keeping it tight to around half way. Fold the bowline to check how close to half you are. Better to be slightly short then slightly long.
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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 1:54am
So next bit.

Once you happy with the weave at around half way bent the bowline and pass the other end of cord threw.
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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 2:01am
Now this part is hard to explain but I will try my best .
The "tail" ( the part that was weaving ) needs to chase the right side up the where it's looped over the other end.
It also needs to wrap around and then begin weaving back. Treating the two cords on the right as one continue this weave.

In the photo the poich has been purposely pulled apart to illustrate the way it becomes attached and woven . When doing this fit the right side of the pouch snugly against the base of the bowline or wherever seems most balanced . A tight weave holds it tight on the other end but you will need to fiddle a bit to centralise it.
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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 2:06am
Finally all you need to do is finish the weave and centralise the exit for that side of the pouch , I don't have specific method for this but it is always close and a few extra weaves in odd spots will sort it out .

Here is a closeup of a real sling . The previous photos where only to show how to make this and were heavily scaled down in size so I could attempt to do it in one sitting . Tutorial photos and all.

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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 2:08am
I hope this made sense and is interperatable with the photos.

Open to any questions or suggestions

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Post by kicktheotter on Nov 26th, 2017 at 7:23am
I might have to try this out sometime soon. Photos look clear to me. Great tutorial :D

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Post by Rat Man on Nov 26th, 2017 at 8:31am
Very cool. Nicely done tutorial.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 4:34pm
Thanks guys can't wait to see what you come up with

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by walter on Nov 27th, 2017 at 7:44am
Thanks for the tutorial. A split pouch made from a single cord - who knew  :-?

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Post by Drakolith on Nov 27th, 2017 at 8:32am
Nice tutorial, Iíll have to try this someday.

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Post by Morphy on Nov 27th, 2017 at 9:47am
That's an excellent looking survival sling. I will definitely have to try it out.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by JudoP on Nov 27th, 2017 at 12:27pm
Nice, elegant design. Will have to give it a try sometime.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Nov 27th, 2017 at 3:20pm
Well I got one waiting to go for the SITH so someone might get to try it sooner than expected.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Mar 27th, 2018 at 4:41am
Just wanted to bump this and ask everyone's opinion on a name for this design?

It's single strand .
Has a bowline and a weave as core techniques to know.
Can be untied.
Suited to paracord , dyneema , cord and alike.
And it's a split pouch.


I really think this design should be added to the forums FAQ section as I think it's possibly one of the easiest and most effective designs.

Cheers guys

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by kicktheotter on Mar 27th, 2018 at 9:00am
I never did have a go at making one of these. Will have to soon. It's a great tutorial.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by walter on Mar 27th, 2018 at 7:28pm
Usually, there is an ancestor to modern sling designs. I can easily think of several examples, but your sling I believe is unique. In case you don't know, it is already the Mersa. Maybe the Down Under  ;)

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by RS on Mar 27th, 2018 at 7:38pm
wow thanks for the tut. mersa...im gonna try to do one tonight or tomorrow...

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:39am
I really encourage everyone to give it a try.
Trust me once you you get the cordage type suited to you and the Ammo to the pouch it will be well weighted and have light cords. I like this as I feel it helps with a clean release.
As for names  to my friends refer to my specific sling as my DRUID sling or my sling +1 however I don't think it reflects the construction. I think that a short name is best.
Maybe not the downunder as we already have the Aussie seatbelt sling?
Rs refers to a single strand as a noodle.?
Maybe the Mersa sling ? But I don't want to call it that myself but if the name catches then I'm ok with it I guess.


Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by JudoP on Mar 28th, 2018 at 7:22am
Naming after forum users seems to be decently common

Aussie sling
Rockman
Peaceful Jeffery (PJ)

...There may be more

Names are usually short and easy to remember (though not really representative of design).

Or you could name by knot- bowline, or bowline woven split. The sheep shank slings are named by knot.

There's also a bunch that have poorly defined names or are simply referred to by category. This isn't ideal though, I'd like to see a full sling taxonomy with all known variants. This would be a nice resource for slingers looking for new ideas, and make it easier to communicate and find info about less known variants.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:18am
I guess that there's a way you could try to classify sling designs but there's so many variants . The easiest is by pouch. But then it gets a lot harder.
As a sling made in under 1 hour with basic principles and modern cordage i would argue that it's the best design with a single strand.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Curious Aardvark on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:33am
Added to aussies faqs :-)

Guess i'll have to look up how to tie a bowline and have ago :thumb:

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by walter on Mar 28th, 2018 at 10:13am

JudoP wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 7:22am:
Naming after forum users seems to be decently common


There's also a bunch that have poorly defined names or are simply referred to by category. This isn't ideal though, I'd like to see a full sling taxonomy with all known variants. This would be a nice resource for slingers looking for new ideas, and make it easier to communicate and find info about less known variants.


A family tree would work. One branch solid pouches broken down into material and cord attachment. Another branch split pouches...

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Morphy on Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:43pm
I'm not aware of any other sling that uses one cord and looks like that. Great design if you don't want to commit your survival cordage to a sling by having to cut it. Looking forward to trying it out.


Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by JudoP on Mar 28th, 2018 at 1:25pm
A major difficulty with a taxonomy I've found is dealing with split vs solid when in actually it is pretty much a continuum.

1) You start with a fully solid pouch

2) You then put a small hole in the centre for nothing more than extra grip or even decoration.

3) Then that small hole can become a small slit which may affect in a subtle way how the pouch deforms and grips.

4) Then you have a significant split which allows even flat pouches to significantly deform and cup.

5) Then you have variants such as aussie pouches and rockman which have a very large 'split' component but also a significant 'solid' component.

6) Then you have a basic split pouch however the split is flat woven or leather straps

7) Then you have a braided split with flat braided cords

8) Then finally a regular split pouch with solid cord or regular braided split.

It's not easy to see where the divide should be drawn and what categories can be combined together and which forms need a separate hybrid category (if anything). If you aren't careful you can make a categorization rule which produces absurd results. E.g. a split pouch which is actually a solid pouch with a 1mm hole in it.

At present I'm thinking the most logical way to divide is to split by three categories- split, solid and hybrid.

Pouches are fully solid if there is no split or not enough of a split to meaningfully change the deformation of the pouch e.g. 1), 2).

Pouches are fully split slings if and only if the split arms are braided or single cord e.g. 7), 8).

Everything else 3)-6) inclusive would be hybrid.


This seems to be the simplest and most logical division which seems to avoid the most egregious of edge cases without resorting to very complex rules to fit our intuitive ideas. I'll continue with this as the initial split anyway then post the results in a new topic as I've definitely steered this thread way off course.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by RS on Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:12pm

Mersa wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:39am:
Rs refers to a single strand as a noodle.?


yes, he does...that weirdo.  and while that is all it will prolly ever be referred to around here....it is slang.  but sometimes slang sticks.  so...whatever.    also i made one you just taught us last night with paracord, (a couple actually) and found if i shorten the bowline and do not loop it but only braid the one it is great for sling golf...

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Mar 28th, 2018 at 4:39pm
Thanks guys !! Well it's up there thanks to CA!! Hopefully it becomes a popular choice for some , and the Mersa sling it is !

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Post by Donnerschlag on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 11:54pm
I'm surprised I'm just hearing about this new tutorial now! :v
Awesome, clean design! 8-)

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Dec 4th, 2018 at 2:33am
Thanks ! It's a good easy design ,  I use it for all my slings.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Kick on Feb 11th, 2019 at 2:14pm
Finally got around to trying one of these out. I somewhat improvised some parts and it took a while to get my head around it but I think I got a usable sling out of it :D
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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Feb 11th, 2019 at 4:05pm
That looks like it , hope it works well for you !!!!

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by perpetualstudent on Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:05pm
I really like that. I've toyed with ideas for a single strand sling but never found a way that I really liked. I'm gonna have to try it.

Well done.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Kick on Feb 12th, 2019 at 8:42am
Mersa's is defintely the best way to make a "serious" one strand sling. Easiest and quickest way is to make a single strand sling though is one of these which is practical enough but doesn't win any awards for durability or looks.
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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Feb 15th, 2019 at 12:23am
Thanks kick!
Serious!! I like it
;)

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Post by walter on Mar 10th, 2019 at 5:44pm
Tried making a mersa sling, but short corded myself. Cut a longer piece of pcord and thought gutting it would be a good idea. Not really† :-/
It would look better if I hadn't, but it slings nice  :)


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Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Mar 11th, 2019 at 4:53am
Looks beautiful in green !!

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Post by JustMe on Jun 26th, 2019 at 1:26pm
Can you ballpark how long of a cord you need?

Say you want 2' of cord on each end.  How long of a cord do I need to start with?

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Jun 26th, 2019 at 6:28pm
Usually between 2-3m. But a lot depends on the type of cord and how tight you braid . Make the first one your learning curve and remake it to suit.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Kick on Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:04am
To make the one above took a lot of trial and effort to get it perfect.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Jun 28th, 2019 at 1:24am
It can be a little bit hard to do with certain cords. I usually start with the first release or retention length set and then I use excess cord and cut at the end.
So the start bowline is in place and the upwards cord is your actual finished length. This way the weave can take a lot longer to pull through but you should always have enough cord to finish if you didn't cut yourself short to begin with.
If you wanted to do it with a set length precut piece of cord you would need to try a few times to know where the start of the pouch would begin , you kinda understand what I'm trying to say ?

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by walter on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:47am
For a 29" sling pouch ctr to release knot (If you use paracord), cut it 16 feet long. Tie the bowline knot 2 feet below finger loop knot. If you  make the bowline loop 11" long; the two pouch straps will be 5" each.  :)

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Jauke on Sep 7th, 2019 at 4:58pm
I made my first one of these. I like it a lot. My preference for this one goes over the PJ sling. Now I know which sling to make if I only have cord available.

Title: Re: Tutorial: Single strand split pouch . Bowline base.
Post by Mersa on Sep 7th, 2019 at 8:21pm
Thanks  I like it too

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