I'm looking for some decent glandes too keep in my kit to take with me when I go bush.
Got permission to hunt on a friends farm and wanting some good ammo for the task

Ideally:
1 bipoint
2 metal ( steel lead tungsten )
3 around 75-150g

Point me in the right direction

Egg shaped lead fishing weights, the ones with the hole through the middle.  In your choice of weights.

Most of the guys that make glandes will sell you one or two, after that, the shipping gets to be really expensive.

Yeah fishing weights are what I have used before but I'm not convinced on the shapes I've found locally. Either too small and a good shape or wrong shape and good weight. Was looking for something a little nicer.

Also lead is not overly durable.
Was hoping there might be a better option out there.

clay :-)
was what our ancestors used.
cheap, easy to use and make and I know a guy who makes moulds in any size and shape you like :-)

I know americans who hunt have a tendency to ignore animal welfare. But bear in mind that you are far more likely to injure an animal than kill it outright.
So try and humanely dispatch anything you maim. 

Hunting is NOT a game. Don't treat it like one.

Mersa heres my poor man's solution.

Go to your local hardware store and buy 2.5 to 3 inch long bolts or large nails. Thickest you can buy. Thats your core. You will need a metal file as well. Sharpen the threaded end (if a bolt) to a sharp point with the file. If you have a belt sander, even better. Then wrap something around the body of the bolt or nail to build up the glande shape and impregnate it with jb weld. Make sure you smooth it well before it sets because its a pain to sand down. You can use wire wrapping or really anything you have on hand, but the denser the better.

One side will be very sharp for larger critters, the other will be blunt for birds and such. Fairly cheap, tough as nails etc. It will get the job done. Just make sure the body is as smooth as possible.

Lastly take some reflective tape and wrap it around the glande keeping it as smooth as possible. If you lose a glande and its not buried completely in the ground you can come back at dusk with a flash light and shine it in the area. The glande will shine like a light and be fairly easy to find.

Thanks guys 
And don't worry CA I'm not going out trying to hurt things with the sling.
Sling will be only aimed at feral rabbits at best I suspect.
And I'm hoping hits are quick or recoverable kills.
Hense my trying to stock up on suitable ammo.

Clay seems like a nice option for lots of ammo.
Sharp bolts have interesting impact quality.
And fishing weights have the best density

This Topic was moved here from Market Place by Curious Aardvark.

So I had a bit of luck yesterday at the hardware store and walked past the plumb bobs. I purchased a 150g weight and had a go at a empty field to try it out unfortunately it's penetration was too good and it is now lost buried somewhere in the field. Need a metal detector I think.
Anyway I went and purchased another to my dismay.
Now I'm thinking of joining 2 together to try make a bipoint.
This will weigh over 300g
Too much??
150 feels heavy 300 might be injury prone.

Let us know what you think

Good cheap ready availability


Standard and with extra bolt bearing combo.

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https://fundamittere.jimdo.com/formenbau/

https://www.bleigussformen-shop.de/F45-Carp-Ball-120-140

https://www.bleigussformen-shop.de/Do-it-Form-1174-Olivenblei-170-227

The best

10 ounces would certainly leave a pretty big hole in any rabbit. I suspect you will be losing a good deal of any ammo you use unless you are a very, very good shot. With the exception of stones, concrete, clay etc cost will be an important consideration.

Totally agree. I need to make a lead mould. Will be the best and most economical of the metals. I like the durability or steel.
Got to test out the damage this does today. Think it's gonna be good enough. Pointy or blunt end.
10oz too much???

Either end will kill it. Assuming you are slinging it around 30 m/s or faster it will never know what hit it. The kill may not be instant but thats true with bows and .22s as well. Come to think of it, I would choose that set up over my typical small game bow.

Be ready with a hardwood club to run up and finish it off if necessary. If you are slinging a 10 oz. glande at least 30 m/s it would be like you being hit by a basketball sized boulder thrown by a major league pitcher.  So, as far as KE goes, no worries. Just put the shot where it needs to go.

Edit: Not too much unless you are slinging extremely fast. You dont want to rupture the bladder. I dont think you could go wrong with 5-6 oz. But 10 will work.

Yeah great advice, I have a club I use for splitting wood with my knife. Should be perfect.
Unfortunately I don't know what speeds I'm getting. I had estimated throws between 30 and 45m/s with iPhone footage but recently discovered about the shutter roll so my estimated speeds are invalid. Thrown over 110m measured and from what I can tell this requires some m/s so hope I'm getting atleast 30m/s
Punches holes straight through chip board. Leaves big dents in steel.
And as far as accuracy goes I'd say I'm better with my bow but as you said the sling setup seems very suitable to rabbits.
For this reason it will be my second choice in weapons but probably what I'll prefer to use (fun/ satisfaction). situations pending.

the thing you bought would make a nice meteor hammer.

never hunted before but i think stones would be enough for small game ,  skill and lead maybe are enough for a boar

It's interesting revising the damage that different ammo does on my targets but the increase in penetration of lead on softer materials is evident. Steel being harder packs better penetration on harder stuff.

sling is like a club , a blunt weapon doesn't necessarily need penetration to kill.

I may have posted about this already but I now can't remember... Anyway, talking of using a plum bob as a meteor hammer, I got a pretty cheap one off eBay to use as a kusari fundo, the Japanese weapon which is basically a weight (or two weights on each end) of a short chain. It's quite an interesting weapon design and I was pretty easily able to DIY one. I didn't even think about using it in a sling but yeah that type of weight with the pointed end? Ouch.

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Oh and if anyone is wondering how pointy that end is, with some sweeping strikes at just the right distance, I was able to cut cardboard. Not just smash holes but actually cut.

I can believe that !!!my plumb bob was sharp as until it poked a few holes in a car door.
Would be a deadly mentor hammer .
Scorpion off mortal combat.
Get over here
Can't find the tungsten bits to make timpas ammo
Sigh

I'd probably go with what Bill suggested. The shape is aerodynamic and you can get them in any weight you want, from 1/16th to 8 oz. You can buy them online from Bass Pro Shops, Cabela's, Gander Mountain, or any other fishing supply store.

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get some cement and make whatever shape you wanted like the bipointed projectile and you could spray paint them a collar thatd be easy to find

Curious Aardvark wrote on Aug 30^th, 2017 at 7:18am:

clay :-) was what our ancestors used. cheap, easy to use and make and I know a guy who makes moulds in any size and shape you like :-) I know americans who hunt have a tendency to ignore animal welfare. But bear in mind that you are far more likely to injure an animal than kill it outright. So try and humanely dispatch anything you maim.  Hunting is NOT a game. Don't treat it like one.

"I know americans who hunt have a tendency to ignore animal welfare." What a bigoted ass you are!

redgalvin wrote on Jan 13^th, 2018 at 1:34pm:

Curious Aardvark wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:18am: clay :-) was what our ancestors used. cheap, easy to use and make and I know a guy who makes moulds in any size and shape you like :-) I know americans who hunt have a tendency to ignore animal welfare. But bear in mind that you are far more likely to injure an animal than kill it outright. So try and humanely dispatch anything you maim.  Hunting is NOT a game. Don't treat it like one. "I know americans who hunt have a tendency to ignore animal welfare." What a bigoted ass you are!

That's a bit uncalled for.

I like to use lead bank sinkers. They are the perfect shape for throwing and can punch a hole through a washing machine, so they should have no problem taking down a rabbit or even a coyote.

Redgalvin he's just giving an opinion. Most people not famaliar with the hunting community here in America probably have a similar opinion. The hunting porn on TV doesn't help much to dissuade that kind of thinking.

I know a lot of hunters and I've not met one that doesn't care about clean kills. Not saying they aren't out there but they aren't the majority by a long shot from my experience.

We all know I love razor glandes
But I have had my best hunting luck with a five or six ounce egg shaped river stone

lobohunter wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 12:52am:

We all know I love razor glandes But I have had my best hunting luck with a five or six ounce egg shaped river stone

What sort of game have you managed to take with a stone?

Just don't spend too much time making any hunting ammo.
Cause you are just going to miss and loose the ammo anyway!

slingingrocksforfun wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 12:31pm:

Just don't spend too much time making any hunting ammo. Cause you are just going to miss and loose the ammo anyway!

Well, I hope you loose the ammo, otherwise you'll never hit anything.  However, losing ammo is probably not ideal.

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slingingrocksforfun wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 12:31pm:

Just don't spend too much time making any hunting ammo. Cause you are just going to miss and loose the ammo anyway!

If I were to go slinghunting, that would be my thought exactly. ;D Clay in that case might be a really good option; I used to make clay disks to use as projectiles, before it was too late and I realized that spheres or biconicals would have been a much better use of resources.

Mit Blei auf hasenjagt. Was für ein Blödsinn.
Was wollen Sie jagen? Bären? Bitte bitte tun Sie das. Ich werde lachen wenn ich es im Fernsehen sehe.
Sie wollen sicher töten mit einer sling? Werfen Sie Handgranaten.  :P

I don't know if I'll ever be be a confident enough slinger to sling grenades :D

Kick wrote on Jul 26^th, 2020 at 2:44pm:

I don't know if I'll ever be be a confident enough slinger to sling grenades :D

I concur. Me slinging with a grenade would be far more dangerous to me than any bear.

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What about razor grenades?

Explosive razor glandes are only necessary if you don’t aim for the eyes.

Has anyone actually hit anything when hunting?

Dive back into old slinging.org threads. They are always fascinating.

Exploding rabbits;
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1383152784/28#28

Es ist gar nicht nötig das Kaninchen zu treffen. Schießen sie vor das Kaninchen.

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AncientCraftwork wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 6:26am:

Dive back into old slinging.org threads. They are always fascinating. Exploding rabbits; http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1383152784/28#28

KnollSlinger wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 6:04pm:

I took out a rabbit, a large jack rabbit with a sling.  It divided the thing into two parts: head, and hind legs. Rest was not found.  Distance between parts about two feet. First shot missed. Rabbit twitched, but did not bolt.

TobyC wrote on Oct 26^th, 2015 at 7:19pm:

KnollSlinger, nice shot, and what are you slinging, boulders?!

Maybe he was slinging razor grenades. ;D Sorry ha ha, I can't get over that for some reason. It's kind of funny how a thread on glandes for hunting turned into being about slinging explosives.

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I dunno why anyone would hunt him - He's a tubby little cubby, sure, but he's all stuffed with fluff. I mean, he's Winnie the Pooh! If you're going after Winnie the Pooh, you're a hunter of very little brain - You should go to your thinking spot for a while. Don't go after stuffed animals willy nilly, silly ol' hunter.

Winnie the Pooh is a honey fed bundle of sweet bear meat, Aim for the eyes

He’s selfless. Hunt him gentlemen, it’s what Winnie would want.

Hmmm CA so us Americans just go around hurting animals huh
Not a bit country prejudice there lol

In all seriousness but , where’s the machinist/turner fitter of The forum.
Surely someone out there can make some pretty serious hunting glandes , I like Shiney brass ones please, or modular glandes you can interchange parts from .
Platinum glades for the rich kids

Mersa wrote on Aug 5^th, 2020 at 7:43pm:

Platinum glades for the rich kids

lol.  Steal enough catalytic converters and you'd be in business.

What? There’s platinum in them??

There is and, thanks to decades of cars passing by, platinum can be found on the sides of roads. It's in very small quantities but it's there.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a21091/platinum-in-highway-dirt/

Mersa wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 3:35am:

What? There’s platinum in them??

Yes sir.  My converter was ripped out of my car a few weeks ago by some thieves. Joke is on them though, it wasn't functioning properly anymore and all they did was get my insurance to replace it for a lower cost to me than it would have been otherwise...



Kick wrote on Aug 6^th, 2020 at 4:36am:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a21091/platinum-in-highway-dirt/

Dang, I was going to link the video to Cody's Lab, but the article you shared already did it.

Maybe I should smelt highway dirt for a living.

But really guys, can someone just make me a nice shiny set of razor glandes!!!

Rich kids nowadays with their solid platinum razor glandes. ;D ::)

Out of curiosity, do we even know what a real razor glande is supposed to look like? Is there an established method of constructing them, or is it kind of just an oral tradition?

I've always thought that they looked kinda like this - Basically a biconical with a serrated edge attached, somehow.

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My make believe razor glandes have retractable blades that spring into action as it hits the target bear in the eye. Historically razor glandes are more or less what you’ve pictured

Jlasud made some razor glandes but didn't provide much info on them. They look wickedly dangerous. The original Cypriot razor glandes are interesting as they don't have points (at least not anymore but it looks like they were never pointed).

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1503371930/0

Thanks kick that’s the ones I remembered

I’m visualizing razor glandes with mechanical broadhead. Not any safer to use but I bet they would fly like a dream.

Mersa wrote on Aug 5^th, 2020 at 7:43pm:

In all seriousness but , where’s the machinist/turner fitter of The forum. Surely someone out there can make some pretty serious hunting glandes , I like Shiney brass ones please, or modular glandes you can interchange parts from . Platinum glades for the rich kids

Give me a few months Mersa. I may be able to do something about that.

Captain_Twine wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 12:06am:

Out of curiosity, do we even know what a real razor glande is supposed to look like?

I do!  ;)

I've picked up a few more since last sharing, here are my 8 original ancient Cypriot bladed bullets (Razor Glandes  ;D) 5 are complex composite projectiles with the lead body cast around the copper-alloy blade portion, and indeed I've succeeded in maintaining my monopoly on the bimetallic bullets for now, haha! 3 are solid copper alloy, easier to create but materially more expensive, with the front center one being the "pointiest" and most similar to what y'all may be envisioning. I can provide measurements/weights if interested. I wouldn't mind clarification but have pieced together a likely date of early 5th century BC for these obscure projectiles.

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Mersa wrote on Aug 5^th, 2020 at 7:43pm:

Platinum glades for the rich kids

Too hard to melt my friend, but how about some solid sterling silver glandes?  8-)

I bought a nice authentic-style fired clay mold from jlasud a few years ago, shipped from Transylvania to the USA no problems, but had only made lead bullets until recently. While melting down lots of sterling for refining (glory days for us Silver stackers right now!!) I figured "Why the heck not?!!" The mold held up well under the high heat and while most didn't fill the mold before setting I got some good ones. Now I'm prepared for Werewolves!  ;D

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When hunting werewolves, always use solid silver razor glandes. Good thinking! ;D

And how much will a set of silver glandes be , I’m underprepared for werewolves

Where's NOC?!  I think we have another t-shirt idea!  :D

joe_meadmaker wrote on Aug 7^th, 2020 at 10:28pm:

Where's NOC?!

Ha!  If it’s a t-shirt emergency... you’re on your own.  I will be out of commission for the next few days while my wife has a baby ;D

Oh, congrats! Silver razor glande t-shirts can certainly wait for a baby.

That’s easy to say if you aren’t fending off werewolves... or worse! Zombie bears with were-shark clubs!

I can't promise anything but as y'all might imagine I too want bladed glandes (that one can actually sling with) and have been brainstorming approaches to making them. No promises or timeline but I also got a larger mold from jlasud that casts ~110 gram bullets and intend to modify it to hold blade inserts that lead can be poured around. Gotta arrive at the right blade material and replicable blade template before modifying anything but hopefully will be able to make a good number of them once I get going (exigencies of 2020 are a priority sadly). Don't hold your breath but if/when it happens I'll show you what I've come up with!

I’ll be happy to test them out!!
Perhaps a replacement broadhead blade might work?

https://instagram.com/c_bathgate?igshid=s0iffpcnzo74


Check out this , he’s the man to ask to make razor glandes

Razor glandes???

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That would not be fun to be hit with. Honestly wouldn't be fun to sling it if it gets caught up in the release cord...

it needs a chainmail pouch

Sarosh wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 7:59am:

it needs a chainmail pouch

That's a very cool idea.  Hmmm.....

I would want pretty fine chainmail. One of those blades getting stuck in one of the holes would be a good way to ruin your day.

From sling to flail in one fail

Honestly look at these expandable glandes as if these aren’t make for slinging, half his art pieces are sling ready.

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Sarosh wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 7:59am:

it needs a chainmail pouch

I'm assuming you will be taking care of this part?



Mersa wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 5:58pm:

Honestly look at these expandable glandes as if these aren’t make for slinging, half his art pieces are sling ready.

Where the heck are you finding these?
Where the heck are you finding these?

I linked his Instagram profile, he is a machinist and seriously half his stuff looks straight from a sci fi slinging movie.
Unfortunately he’s not interested is making commission pieces

Mersa wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 5:58pm:

Honestly look at these expandable glandes as if these aren’t make for slinging, half his art pieces are sling ready.

Those things look like you could sling them, and the two ends would turn into nanobots and attack whatever you hit with it ;D

Mersa wrote on Aug 5th, 2020 at 7:43pm:
In all seriousness but , where’s the machinist/turner fitter of The forum.
Surely someone out there can make some pretty serious hunting glandes , I like Shiney brass ones please, or modular glandes you can interchange parts from .
Platinum glades for the rich kids


Give me a few months Mersa. I may be able to do something about that.

This is exciting! I’m keen to purchase if anyone is gonna pump out some brass glandes

I’m also very interested is some special glades if they ever appear for sale .

I am slated to inherit my grandfather’s machine lathe. It weighs 1500lbs, and my uncle needs to have a wall removed before we can load it up on a truck. If everything works out, I will have it up and running next year some time... if everything works out. Stay tuned!

Please please please

too expensive/ time consuming

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Sarosh wrote on Aug 24^th, 2020 at 2:18am:

too expensive/ time consuming

Ha!  Coming from a community that spends hours weaving and braiding string (or grass) into cordage, we’re not in a position to criticize someone’s machinist obsession :)

the thing is you'll lose this after a couple of throws. Sling's use is different.

Sarosh wrote on Aug 24^th, 2020 at 10:00am:

the thing is you'll lose this after a couple of throws. Sling's use is different.

That depends, of course, on how obsessively you make slings, ha ha.

Probably the cheapest would be to make cast iron glades.  When I inquired about it I had to have 1000 made as a minimum size order which turned out to be way more then I wanted to pay to test something out.

https://youtu.be/hWM2k_SlPxA
the above in video

Shakli wrote on Aug 28^th, 2020 at 1:12am:

Probably the cheapest would be to make cast iron glades.  When I inquired about it I had to have 1000 made as a minimum size order which turned out to be way more then I wanted to pay to test something out.

What was the price per piece? You only need 10 slingers who each want 100 to hit the MOQ.

Sarosh wrote on Aug 28^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

https://youtu.be/hWM2k_SlPxA the above in video

Damn they look vicious. I love it. I might have to see if I can find some rebar somewhere.

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Aug 28^th, 2020 at 1:30pm:

Shakli wrote on Aug 28th, 2020 at 1:12am: Probably the cheapest would be to make cast iron glades.  When I inquired about it I had to have 1000 made as a minimum size order which turned out to be way more then I wanted to pay to test something out. What was the price per piece? You only need 10 slingers who each want 100 to hit the MOQ.

I like the sound of that!

Good video! @Sarosh
Probably took quite a bit of time to grind them from rebar!

Certainly wouldn't want to be hit by one...

A while back, I was looking at 'metal clays' and thought about making glandes from the stuff, until I saw the price! :o

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Aug 28^th, 2020 at 1:30pm:

What was the price per piece? You only need 10 slingers who each want 100 to hit the MOQ.

It came out to 2$ per shot. 

Cheaper than arrows

Mersa wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 1:47am:

Cheaper than arrows

Yes but don't want to spend 2,000$ on a glade I am not sure I will like.  Also to split it up kind of a problem also.  100 glades would weigh 12kg(26lbs)  that is kind of expensive to ship.

Mersa wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 1:47am:

Cheaper than arrows

if you add profit and other costs to it, probably not many people will bother buying it.

I was thinking of it too, maybe with a bigger audience it will be worth the effort.

Yeah, at $2 per glande, few people would want 100... but people might spend $3-$5 each for 10 of them. At $4 per glande, you only need to sell a little over half of them to break even.

Shipping would be the killer though as Shakli said. Rebar might be the way to go.

Perhaps we could take advantage of another industry and find something that we can modify to suit that might bring prices down and availablity up.

I was going thinking something that used standard parts from arrows or something alike. Bearings from a skateboard for weight with an arrow shaft spindle and broadheads screwed either side, but I guess these will be pretty expensive too.

I vote tungsten if we machine glandes, May as well make something harder than steel and denser than lead

You can get 1” carbon steel ball bearings for less than $0.50 each, and I’ll bet you can be fairly effective hunting with those. The biconical shape matters more on a battlefield where you’re throwing over 100yds. Most hunting would be at much shorter distances.

Mersa wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 7:40pm:

I vote tungsten if we machine glandes, May as well make something harder than steel and denser than lead

That sounds rather difficult to machine unless you’re grinding everything with diamond tools

You don't hunt small game with stuff like that. You use stones. You want to kill them, not drill a hole through them and watch them run away mortally wounded. Hit them with a stone and they'll go into shock if not dead. It's the reason birding arrows are not pointed.

Glandes are for killing people. So save them for the zombie apocalypse.