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Message started by Mersa on Aug 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm

Title: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm
Seeing as this is the place to be for slingers I was hoping that some people might be interested in a little friendly competition.

Originally I was thinking like a challenge board. Anyone can set a challenge or try and complete one.
I haven't though of all the challenges but think there could be some fun ones.

Some of my ideas
Long distance measured
Puzzle piece ( land a projectile in a perfect size hole/space)
2 shot ( throw first shot in air then hit target with second shot before 1st lands).
Catch and couch , catch a incoming projectile and fire it back in one movement.

These are just some ideas .

Feel free to put as many down as you like and maybe if enough interest is shown we can have a little game

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Aug 21st, 2017 at 3:15am

Mersa wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 7:14pm:
Puzzle piece ( land a projectile in a perfect size hole/space)
2 shot ( throw first shot in air then hit target with second shot before 1st lands).
Catch and couch , catch a incoming projectile and fire it back in one movement.


those challenges seem too extreme to me.
start with : what is the max distance from which you can hit a beer can with 5% accuracy. (don't go closer than 10m)
i believe most of us will not go much further than 10m :P

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 21st, 2017 at 4:12am
How about most consecutive shots on 50cm disk at 10m

Flat shot have 2 rings set up 5 m apart and throw flat thou both.

Think I'd like a board that has practical doable challenges and near impossible feats .

Persistence and a video camera can make for amazing stuff

Make a slinging highlight reel if guys could pull some of it off

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Aug 21st, 2017 at 5:57am
another one.
hit a balearic target when you are behind a wall , pavise or other fortification that blocks direct view. you would aim by peeking before throwing.


Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 21st, 2017 at 6:30am
Have a tree or pole in the way and curve left or right

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Curious Aardvark on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:07am
throw with your opposite hand using a style OTHER than underhand :-)

So left handed for right hand slingers and right handed for lefties.

Probably harder than anything suggested so far :-)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:16am
I've just got the hang of slinging with my right hand!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:45am
I like the consecutive shots on a diana one. Very simple and easy to see hits.

It would interesting to sling something like a whiffle ball or some other very light projectile and see if you can make it curve all the way back to you like a boomerang.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 21st, 2017 at 9:10am
I've been throwing in the wind lately that one is possible for sure (wind not spin) boomerang.

Even consecutive hits in multiple styles .

Looks like a bit of interest

I'll let the thread simmer for a bit and then write up a draft challenge board.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 7:42am
DRAFT


Consecutive hit challenges:
1: Hit a Balearic target from 10m+ slinging both left and right handed.
2: Most consecutive hits on the Diana 10m+
3: Most consecutive hits on Balearic target in different styles 10m+

Distance challenges:
1:Longest distance hit on a soda can
2:Longest tennis ball throw on flat ground
3:Longest distance open class

Other challenges
1: Hit Diana curving around vertical obstacle 10m+
2: Hit Diana over horizontal obstacle 10m+ vision impaired.
3: Throw and catch a light ball in the wind without moving.




Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 12:34pm
Are we talking making videos of us particpating or just posting our results?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Curious Aardvark on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:09pm
and are we going to tell jaegoor :whistle:

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:21pm
I've got a suggestion. I saw this video from Mick Grewcock who is an amateur bowyer and archer where he was trying to hit an old hi-viz jacket on a stick and I realised I'd never considered slinging at a "human" target which is somewhat strange considering one of the more famous historical uses of the sling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7f5FmpDhBc

Maybe we could have slinging at a human target and aiming at particular parts of the body. It's already been discussed how supposedly some slingers were skilled enough to hit certain parts of the enemies faces so maybe something similar with a cardboard cutout? Too ghoulish?

Also Jaegoor should have his own category. It's like putting an Olympic athlete up against a fun-runner :D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:31pm
Just make sure when you translate it to German to get the distance to target correct for Jaegoor. 100 meters right?


Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 3:29pm

Kick wrote on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 2:21pm:
to hit certain parts of the enemies faces


to recreate that : put two beer cans side by side and try to hit the one you chose... :P

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 22nd, 2017 at 6:55pm
My take on it is that any one can attempt the challenges
Of corse we can just go by word of mouth but I think video footage will be the most enjoyable for other members . Should be new footage not old.

A lot of these challenges leave it open to try 1000s of times with the video camera running.

Maybe leave the board open to new challenges. Like the human body shots . Hit a frizbee in flight

And maybe have all submissions by Christmas and a little secret Santa for the participants. Sling trading

Just some ideas again.


Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 1:07am
I like the idea of the beer cans. Barely ever drink but I do for once have some around :D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 3:36pm
Some how beer seems to be the answer to all our threads.... Hmm.....seems about right.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 3:52pm
:P

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 24th, 2017 at 7:51pm
Had a good atempt at curving around a tree yesterday . Was coming close to Diana at 10 m but no direct hits .

Keep on practicing

Hope some of these get done

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 24th, 2017 at 8:04pm
I love these types of threads. If time permits I would like to get a video up if at all possible.  I wouldn't mind taking a few shots at a soda can or something.   Looking forward to seeing other peoples videos. ;)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 24th, 2017 at 8:06pm
Yeah morphy me too looking forward to the next time I got a few hours spare to attempt some of these

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:04pm
Thinking about it and I think we should have a (beer) can challenge .

Any feat where a sling is used to hit a can . It really would make for the best highlight reel!!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Aug 25th, 2017 at 3:03am
@Mersa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N-ACnKZN5c
watch after minute 2:00
he tries around obstacle

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 27th, 2017 at 1:13am
Be scary standing there

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Aug 28th, 2017 at 3:49am

Quote:
The Inca king Guayna Capac, according to a written tradition, was going to war on red stilts from which he fired his sling with gold shells.

source:https://translate.google.gr/translate?hl=el&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fperso.wanadoo.es%2Fhondero%2Ftemas.htm
http://perso.wanadoo.es/hondero/EL%20MUNDO%20DE%20LA%20HONDA.htm

slinging on stilts :P

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 28th, 2017 at 7:59am
I'm not sure if that would look intimidating or hilarious...

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 28th, 2017 at 8:26am
Ok, whos going to volunteer? We obviously need stilt slinging for the highlight reel.  :)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 28th, 2017 at 10:11pm
I just spent the last hour practicing with a can as a target from 5 m.
I must say I had over 100 shots (guessing) and only 7 hits.
5 direct and 2 glancing.
Gonna be harder than I thought.
Going from the 50cm disk to a can.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Aug 29th, 2017 at 2:29am
@Mersa by glancing you mean indirect(hit after bouncing) or to the side with small damage?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 29th, 2017 at 4:47am
Side with minimal damage.
Its hanging on string so if you don't nail it it just moves to the side.
I'm throwing in my dining room with a small ball.

Had another 30 minutes or so . Getting better, hit maybe 10 out of 60 throws mostly glancing but.

I'm waiting to have a good go outside with some rocks.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 1st, 2017 at 1:48am
So I got to have a go at hitting the can today at the range.
Unfortunately I was rained out early and had no hits on the can.
However my accuracy was much better than normal even with rocks as ammo.
I usually find the rocks at the range(limestone from 4x4 tracks nearby) hard to aim as there all different shapes and weights.
I don't normally find my rhythm like I do with more uniform ammo.
But today I was hitting the board the majority of the time with misses curving more than bad aim or release.
I took a little warming up but had the best day at the range yet.
Of course my first shot at the can was the closest. Skimming the top left and hitting the string it was tied to.


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Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 1st, 2017 at 9:52am
Soda cans are difficult with the best of ammo. If my concrete stockpile isnt ruined im going to make some ammo up and get some practice in. Might be able to get a video up.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:47am
Another unsuccessful attempt. So many close calls .
The angles really open up over 10. And camera makes me nervous.

Screenshot of my can on a stick.
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Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 7th, 2017 at 5:48pm
Much success in my 5m indoor range. Able to hit the can a lot of the time now. Still nothing outdoors with hard ammo.

I haven't forgotten I'm still trying.


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Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 20th, 2017 at 5:45pm
Sorry guys I've been moving and haven't had much time to put into this.

Had some good progress. Able to hit the can at 5 m almost every second or third shot. And had some success at 10 and 15m but yet to try get it on film.

Any progress people???

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Sep 20th, 2017 at 7:01pm
The weather over here has been atrocious so haven't had the chance to sling. The bad weather has also seemingly brought a rather nasty cold to me and my girlfriend. Second night in a row now I haven't been able to sleep. Currently 2:01am over here...

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 21st, 2017 at 12:44am
I have not forgot about taking part. Life has been so busy I have virtually no free time these days. (I sneak on the forum at least thanks to my phone.  :P  ::) I enjoy taking part in these sorts of threads, but its been difficult i.e. impossible, to get any practice in. Nice job on the target practice. Sounds like you are making good headway. Those soda cans can be wily little buggers.


Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Oct 1st, 2017 at 10:03am
with the left hand aiming at a beer can:
105 hand throws (0%hit, 10m),

1st sling throw from 20m was a hit!!† :o
total of 80 sling throws.

followed by 26 hand throws 1hit from 10m


Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:02pm
Are your hand throws with no sling just for comparison??
1/80 from 20 m with the sling ??
I have a new spot for practice so I should make some progress soon !

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 4:16am

Mersa wrote on Oct 1st, 2017 at 6:02pm:
Are your hand throws with no sling just for comparison??


no . it was for warm up and better feel.
i'm not left handed so all that throwing was awkward, but i think starting from the basics helps.

not sure if i should call that hit a lucky shot or not...
there were ~5-10 close hits, a lot of misses 4m+ and some sling entanglements

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:14pm
If your trying to hit something and you do then it's more than luck!!!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Oct 15th, 2017 at 4:17am
So here it is , half filled water bottle vs 26g rubber practice ball 45mm dia from over 10m( roughly 15m).
I had so many bloopers hitting the camera and on the rebound. So many close calls but persistence paid of , got it done in around 1 hour.
Sorry CA I have to post this one.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=trim_8BB0EB43-B480-49F3-B19A-CEE997AD4948.MOV (4898 KB | 41 )

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Oct 15th, 2017 at 6:10am
Good shot! I wish I could be out slinging (especially in weather like you've had) but the flood waters have yet to recede and it still drizzles every few hours. Miserable weather. I've given up hope of slinging (except maybe singing ice balls) until next year.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Oct 15th, 2017 at 8:40am
Nice video. Thats my favorite angle for sling videos, especially with small targets. Do you feel like you are getting more accurate?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Oct 15th, 2017 at 8:53am
Well I'm much more accurate than when I started slinging.
I got really good with this ball a while ago but I've been practicing with rocks lately. Feel like it took longer than it should have today.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Oct 15th, 2017 at 12:08pm
I have noticed when switching between different sizes/weights my accuracy goes completely to pot. It's quite surprising how quickly the body adapts and then falls into a rhythm with a certain type of ammo.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Oct 15th, 2017 at 5:09pm
I actually started getting reasonable grouping straight away I just couldn't hit the bottle/can , I started with a can but it kept blowing away , I had no water at that point and the can I was using was 200ml where as the bottle was a little bigger at 600ml . I hit my phone (camera) 3 times and phone went flat so I had a break In between can and bottle.

With rocks I find that the way it releases from the pouch effects my accuracy most if I have smooth rocks I have a much more consistent grouping. 

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Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:53am
With the changing weight maybe there is some possibility you can adjust, (maybe?), especially if you practice a lot at it. With poorly shaped ammo, its virtually impossible.

Not sure why it took me so long to understand that as a slinger, but once I used a really good, consistent set of ammunition for awhile and then switched back to poorly shaped ammo, it became apparent real fast how badly it can affect your accuracy.

Im convinced people who dont see a big difference arent slinging at small enough targets for it to matter.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:09am
I've been trying to switch it up between tennis balls and rocks (and a giant ball bearing) and so not rely on just the one type of ammo too much. It's good to practice a variety of weights and sizes and densities in my opinion.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Oct 16th, 2017 at 9:16am
Yeah I agree, consistent ammo makes training a lot more progressive.
It transfers some of your aiming to odd shaped projectiles but bad release tendencies and aerodynamics make grouping hard.

I want to try get a few more days were I can practice soon.

Still need to sort out a good hunting ammo.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Oct 19th, 2017 at 9:07am

Curious Aardvark wrote on Aug 21st, 2017 at 8:07am:
throw with your opposite hand using a style OTHER than underhand :-)

So left handed for right hand slingers and right handed for lefties.

Probably harder than anything suggested so far :-)


I was doing it a few years ago and it wasn't that bad. My brain already knew what to do, my body didn't take long to catch up

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Oct 31st, 2017 at 9:56pm
Im super uncoordinated with my left side. Everything sport wise anyway.

Anyone had any chance to try anything???

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Nov 1st, 2017 at 6:52am
We had heavy rain for about 2 weeks then a few days ago the snow came and it's been freezing ever since. Any serious slinging for me will have to wait until Spring :(

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Nov 1st, 2017 at 9:15am
i found a range at which i can train for longer distances (up to 150m) pretty safely ;D. my throws have some issues that doesn't show at the short range up to 30m. :(
the stones are released with a downward & right angle of attack...
working on it .

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Nov 1st, 2017 at 11:06pm
Yes sir. Long ranges sure reveal alot. Great way to get better on accuracy if that interests you.

The best way I know to get a perfect release: use light ammo and longer distances (40-50 meters). It will really magnify all your problems. If you can get accurate doing that, you are just plain good.



Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2017 at 2:19am
Been practicing lately but haven't got any footage . Starting to find I have weird trends in my accuracy . Too much ammo variation , balls rocks fruit metal.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Nov 30th, 2017 at 10:14pm
I did a perfect curve around a tree yesterday. First try can size target. Shocked myself

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:42am
So I had a good day practising today I started on odd shaped rocks but got frustrated with the inconsistency of the flight of some of them and the time it was taking to find the smoothest spherical stones. I stopped practicing there and went to my usually spot where I practice with my rubber ball.
Had a good day hitting the bottle from 10m quite a lot and getting consistent grouping. Then I got the camera out.
As usual this messes with my head and I lose my rhythm.
I finally made some progress later on.

Here are 2 videos
One from 10m hit
And a miss from around 35-40 m
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=trim_50C92057-3B76-4139-AFD6-569708F79D79.MOV (3880 KB | 39 )

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 7:43am
And the other
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=trim_8068F224-84CE-41C7-AF40-EE91C1B5D340.MOV (5897 KB | 40 )

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 9:45am
wow very nice throws


Quote:
Then I got the camera out.
As usual this messes with my head and I lose my rhythm.
:P

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 5:29pm
Thanks.
Also as usual I post the videos in the end of a thread page so they get missed.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 11th, 2017 at 6:43am
Typical day of trying to get footage. Cameras out targets safe.
Tried 20m shot on glass beer bottle with stones.
Got it on 2nd shot after I turned camera off. Wish I got it on film. Absolutely obliterated it!!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Dec 11th, 2017 at 12:55pm
Just jugding by your posts it sounds like you are really improving.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 11th, 2017 at 2:51pm
Thanks morphy
I've made a big improvement in accuracy over the last 5 months since I joining this forum.
Been trying my best to throw at least once every few days.
I'm going to give it a good go and try get to Mallorca one year.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Dec 13th, 2017 at 9:47am
one more challenge you might be interested in

Quote:
Slingers joined a society or union, and acquired the title of "foner" (slinger) if they passed the following test: fire nine shots hitting each of the crossbars of a traditional gate.

the crossbars are horizontal....
https://web.archive.org/web/20111015232438/http://slinging.org/index.php?page=the-way-of-the-sling---jesus-vega

in the past i 've achieved to hit upright sticks or a hanging rope from up to 15m distance, of course with not enough consistency to call it skilled shot and not lucky.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 13th, 2017 at 4:55pm
I'll try find a gate and give it a go!!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by IronGoober on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 9:49pm

Morphy wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:53am:
With the changing weight maybe there is some possibility you can adjust, (maybe?), especially if you practice a lot at it. With poorly shaped ammo, its virtually impossible.

Not sure why it took me so long to understand that as a slinger, but once I used a really good, consistent set of ammunition for awhile and then switched back to poorly shaped ammo, it became apparent real fast how badly it can affect your accuracy.

Im convinced people who dont see a big difference arent slinging at small enough targets for it to matter.


It's interesting that you mention this.  Because, I actually don't notice a massive difference in accuracy with changing ammo. And I like small targets like cans.

Actually, the best accuracy I've ever achieved (and this is completely subjective, no hard data) was one bow-hunting season about 5 years ago, when I got my deer on the first day, so I had lots of free time. I started off by missing a grouse like 10 times in a row, until I ran out of nearby rocks, and it still just sat there. After this I was inspired to improve, so I would sling for like 3-4 hours a day. By the end of the week, I was hitting 6" trees from about 20 yards away 1 out of 5. It felt amazing. i felt like I could actually hunt something. But I never saw another grouse after that.

Anyway, during that period, I was just picking up weirdly shaped and inconsistent rocks from the forest and along a dirt road. Didn't seem to make any difference.

Maybe there was a difference and if I had consistent ammo I would have been even better. I dunno.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by IronGoober on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 9:54pm

Mersa wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 8:47am:
Another unsuccessful attempt. So many close calls .
The angles really open up over 10. And camera makes me nervous.
.


Mersa, You should try this technique. When you film yourself, just film everything, and don't think that you are going to post it. It's just archival, for your own records. Then if you do get something good, you can post it. 

I find it calms the nerves if I don't think that I need to post anything. (and sometimes I don't).

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 10:20pm
I did this once and the memory card got full just as I started performing . i need to free up some space on my phone so I got more chance with it.
I have had maybe 10 -15 shots on rabbits in real life with the sling with mainly rocks but also a few clay glandes I made. All were misses but most were within a meter. Surprised that the rabbits arnt more scared by the windup. Some don't move at all. Had 2 were I was able to take a second shot somehow. I also may have got a rabbit but this isn't confirmed by any means read story here.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1509491851

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 10:23pm

IronGoober wrote on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 9:49pm:

Morphy wrote on Oct 16th, 2017 at 7:53am:
With the changing weight maybe there is some possibility you can adjust, (maybe?), especially if you practice a lot at it. With poorly shaped ammo, its virtually impossible.

Not sure why it took me so long to understand that as a slinger, but once I used a really good, consistent set of ammunition for awhile and then switched back to poorly shaped ammo, it became apparent real fast how badly it can affect your accuracy.

Im convinced people who dont see a big difference arent slinging at small enough targets for it to matter.


It's interesting that you mention this.† Because, I actually don't notice a massive difference in accuracy with changing ammo. And I like small targets like cans.

Actually, the best accuracy I've ever achieved (and this is completely subjective, no hard data) was one bow-hunting season about 5 years ago, when I got my deer on the first day, so I had lots of free time. I started off by missing a grouse like 10 times in a row, until I ran out of nearby rocks, and it still just sat there. After this I was inspired to improve, so I would sling for like 3-4 hours a day. By the end of the week, I was hitting 6" trees from about 20 yards away 1 out of 5. It felt amazing. i felt like I could actually hunt something. But I never saw another grouse after that.

Anyway, during that period, I was just picking up weirdly shaped and inconsistent rocks from the forest and along a dirt road. Didn't seem to make any difference.

Maybe there was a difference and if I had consistent ammo I would have been even better. I dunno.



Who knows. I know I've had some slinging sessions where it didn't seem to matter but over all when slinging every day and keeping track of my hit percentage it made a big difference for me.

I could see if the stones were fairly heavy and not overly weirdly shaped. I've not had that experience with jagged and otherwise poorly shaped ammo.

I would say though, generally speaking, that I would be asonished if it made no difference simply because we don't know of any other weapon where imperfect ammo doesn't make a difference.

Some of the things I've noticed are changing drag (affecting elevation), planing into the wind, inconsistent release timing (very slight but when rotational speed is so high and the target so small even a fraction of a second can be a miss) and maybe a few more things that I can't remember off hand.

You are probably not alone in this though. I find myself being an outlier on a lot of my target slinging views. Strangely enough, as much as we have debated over the years, I find myself agreeing most with Jaegoor. But I'm open to being wrong on this one. In fact I really hope I am. Sure would make life easier.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Jan 3rd, 2018 at 10:32pm
I'll agree with you there morphy.
Some days it don't matter what I sling If I'm slinging bad I'm slinging bad and same applies for good days .
In general I find that smooth roundish rocks can get consistent grouping but the Jaggered flat spuare edged stuff can just go anywhere .
Aerodynamics and smoothness of release are the main things.
I can ajust to weight within reason and size of projectile if the release is smooth and the aerodynamic profile is nice.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Jan 4th, 2018 at 9:09am
That's been my experience as well Mersa.  That being said I don't doubt you IronGoober. Before I settled on manufactured ammo as my favorite I had many good slinging sessions. I think getting better at slinging is a little like losing weight. You many not see the changes as much because it's so incremental. Over time little changes add up to big ones though.

I remember when I first started slinging seriously. The first year I didn't feel like there was much improvement. Then I went back to my old target and started slinging at it. I remember barely being able to hit it before. But now I was hitting it all the time. That's sort of how I figured out the obvious that I was getting better.

Probably with all that practice you did get a lot better.  Do you feel like you are better than you were back then,  now that you are using lacrosse balls IG?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by IronGoober on Jan 4th, 2018 at 9:22pm
I'm definitely not as accurate as the magical week, but I do feel like I am generally more accurate than a few years ago.

My impression when I first started using lacrosse balls was that I wasn't any better off than before. But it is possible that I am getting a bit more consistent because of the fact that I'm using consistent ammunition.  I didn't really think about it at first, but I do seem to be improving, and at a much more noticeable rate than before.

So, maybe you are right. Time will tell. If I can hit my target 1 out of 2 with lacrosse balls, and then I go try rocks, and am much worse, I think I'll have a definitive answer, at least for myself. (and if I do, I'll post about it!)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by IronGoober on Jan 5th, 2018 at 12:44am
In favor of consistent ammo may not matter, I present this evidence.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALzA79BLWc

If you watch the rest of his stuff, he is pretty darn good and uses similar rocks to the ones he shows here.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Jan 5th, 2018 at 5:38am

IronGoober wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 12:44am:
In favor of consistent ammo may not matter, I present this evidence.† †

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALzA79BLWc


he was accurate but not consistent. in that particular vid...

edit: rain may have rushed him to make those hits :P
i 've been watching his vids and he is very good.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Jan 5th, 2018 at 7:40am
This thread just got very interesting. I can't post much at the moment but will later today.  Thanks for posting that IG.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:37am
He's good but I bet he would be even better with a bag of equally weighted and shaped glandes or spheres.
Also both target and projectile are quite a good size, smaller they are the harder it gets.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Jan 5th, 2018 at 1:25pm
I know back when I was using a standard Balearics bullseye which is something like a 19 inch diameter circle it looked really tiny on video to the point that I started zooming in the video. That was at 25 yards.
He's also visible in the shot meaning the camera is further back than it would be otherwise.

I can't really say what size his target is. It could be smaller and he might be closer but if I had to throw out a random guess I would say it's around 15 inches in diameter and hes maybe 15-20 meters away, max. Maybe closer.†

Not to take anything away from his slinging. He's obviously spent a lot of time practicing. It's just if we are discussing this topic of what part good ammo plays we have to go into it with a definition of what constitutes "good slinging".

The other part of it is the size of the stones and the speed he's slinging them at. Larger and slower moving stones are much more forgiving. Less planing, slightly off kilter spin is less a factor and of course the slower you release, theoretically the longer release window you have to hit your target. Lots of things we could discuss on this topic.

I would like to see how it does on smaller targets further away. I don't think we can see a big difference unless we extend the difficulty level out to a further range. You need to be closer to the physical limitations of the weapon/human body.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Jan 5th, 2018 at 5:40pm
@ Morphy

i don't exactly understand your point. he hit 2/5 a balearic bullseye 20-30m.

Morphy wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
definition of what constitutes "good slinging".

there is no definition to that.   if i get one hit at a 10cm target from 10m i forget about the previous 100 misses...
maybe something similar may have happened with all those extraordinary historical accounts.

from the comment section of the above video using google translate:

Quote:
-Round stones fly better?
-Needless to say. Stones tempered by nature fit better into the pocket of the sling. It is good in it with the promotion and departure, the superfluous will not hook. There are no such pebbles in my region. Making shells for sling, this is a passed stage. But if you carefully select the stones, they pretty, relatively accurately fall on the target. In a square 120x120cm with ≈20m, you can put five out of five.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:49pm

Parmenion wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
@ Morphy

i don't exactly understand your point. he hit 2/5 a balearic bullseye 20-30m.

Morphy wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
definition of what constitutes "good slinging".

there is no definition to that.† †if i get one hit at a 10cm target from 10m i forget about the previous 100 misses...
maybe something similar may have happened with all those extraordinary historical accounts.

from the comment section of the above video using google translate:

Quote:
-Round stones fly better?
-Needless to say. Stones tempered by nature fit better into the pocket of the sling. It is good in it with the promotion and departure, the superfluous will not hook. There are no such pebbles in my region. Making shells for sling, this is a passed stage. But if you carefully select the stones, they pretty, relatively accurately fall on the target. In a square 120x120cm with ≈20m, you can put five out of five.



True. But I would like to see us define it. I already have my own definitions of what constitutes amature, journeyman, expert, master and grandmaster but I doubt people will accept it as they may see it as too difficult or even impossible to accomplish.

I wish I could translate exactly what this fellow is saying. I can't tell if he's saying if the stones are good they consistently will hit 5 out of 5 or if he selects deformed stones but chooses the kind of jagged, deformed stones he prefers, then they will hit 5 out of 5.

Either way it's sort of a moot point. I would not suggest anyone come to a conclusion on whether perfect ammo vs decent ammo vs deformed/jagged ammo makes a difference by slinging at a 120cm square from 20 meters away.  That is far too big a target and much too close to come to a conclusion on it.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Jan 5th, 2018 at 9:27pm
Got to have a walk in the forest this morning with my girlfriend. Was lucky enough that she filmed a few throws.
Here's a hit on a 12oz coffee cup from around 10m .
One of those days too , average ammo (rocks slightly smooth).
Good grouping and a solid hit in less than 20 throws. Good day for bad ammo.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=trim_98C31C53-6E5C-4C1A-8832-EE27CD99CDE2.MOV (1283 KB | 40 )

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by IronGoober on Jan 5th, 2018 at 9:43pm

Morphy wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
Either way it's sort of a moot point. I would not suggest anyone come to a conclusion on whether perfect ammo vs decent ammo vs deformed/jagged ammo makes a difference by slinging at a 120cm square from 20 meters away.† That is far too big a target and much too close to come to a conclusion on it.


I think I agree with you that crappy ammunition doesn't make much of a difference from close distances (which I'm inferring that was your point).  But most of my slinging, and if I were hunting small game, is (and would be) from about 20 yards away and under.  So, for the these purposes, I don't think that having crappy or consistent ammo will make much of a difference, if one has sufficient skill/practice.

That being said, weight and shape are two different things.  I'm talking mostly about the geometry, not the weight. I usually try to get similarly sized stones when just picking stuff up off of the ground (similar weight).

Also, on the size of that guy's target. I'm pretty sure that everything he is using is a standard "Diana" (if I'm referring to it correctly still), or 50cm in diameter. He shows it with a measuring tape a few times in a few of his videos.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Parmenion on Jan 6th, 2018 at 2:30am
everyone who uses less than decent ammo does it out of necessity. for target practice up to ~30m the error from the stones is usually small, skill and coordination play a much bigger role they are the base. Without that base anything else is impossible, so until i get 50% or more hits at a 10-50cm circle@30m it seems a little pointless for me to throw @longer distances for accuracy( but i still do it once in a while so i can find some little flight details i ignored on the 30m target practice)
--for most of us faults and inconsistencies are still big enough that they are obvious @30m range....


Morphy wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
my own definitions of what constitutes amature, journeyman, expert, master and grandmaster


no problem to know more about it ;)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by IronGoober on Jan 6th, 2018 at 3:13am

Mersa wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
Got to have a walk in the forest this morning with my girlfriend. Was lucky enough that she filmed a few throws.
Here's a hit on a 12oz coffee cup from around 10m .
One of those days too , average ammo (rocks slightly smooth).
Good grouping and a solid hit in less than 20 throws. Good day for bad ammo.


It's hard to see that cup. Nice shot!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Jan 6th, 2018 at 10:26am

Mersa wrote on Jan 5th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
Got to have a walk in the forest this morning with my girlfriend. Was lucky enough that she filmed a few throws.
Here's a hit on a 12oz coffee cup from around 10m .
One of those days too , average ammo (rocks slightly smooth).
Good grouping and a solid hit in less than 20 throws. Good day for bad ammo.


I love these videos you post because trees and nature is my life. What beautiful scenery that is. And the slinging is great as well. So as an arborist do you spend a lot of time out in the forest? I always imagined they did more residential and commercial work.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Jan 6th, 2018 at 11:42am
I have done it all from millionaires backyards to protected forests , I am the voice of the trees. But yeah the bush doesn't pay as well as the places with money but sometimes it's not about the money and about the trees .

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Sarosh on Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:25am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFQYNfJqqY
staff sling and beer cans @~4:21

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Mar 27th, 2018 at 8:58am
That had a lot better slinging in it than I was expecting. Good to see. Annoyingly, one of the few things I'm not able to take with me to the summer cottage this time is my staff sling which still needs some proper testing. Have to wait for better weather to come around before I can get to the spot I've been using as my range.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by RS on Mar 27th, 2018 at 3:48pm
stone shape is irrelevant...proper ammo placement solves that.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by RS on Mar 27th, 2018 at 4:05pm

Sarosh wrote on Mar 27th, 2018 at 5:25am:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFQYNfJqqY
staff sling and beer cans @~4:21


note how in the slingshot test, towards the end the speed dropped...few realize that as you pull the bands back, they warm up...the warmer they get, the less retraction power that they have...or the longer they are held in stretched position, the more power they will lose on the snap back...that is why many who are really good with one do quick release shooting..
but as to the other, i saw no advantage of a staff sling over a regular sling from watching the video...
.....

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Mar 28th, 2018 at 6:16am
One advantage ( less time to learn the technique)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Sarosh on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:40am
in the video the staff sling is presented as better than the sling. i agree with mersa a noob can use a staffsling much more easily than a sling.

but the sling is much more versatile than the staff sling.

edit: i really like the way he tried to measure speed of projectiles but i don't think it was necessary to put a man to say the readings .there was a camera...

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by vetryan15 on Mar 28th, 2018 at 12:22pm
Fowler is a showman.† I talk to him frequently on another forum. I use to be a fan of him. Then he started selling out. But that's of the times, I guess.  He actually annoys me know, but look at his channel.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Mar 28th, 2018 at 1:49pm
Invariably when I see channels like this put forward theories it's based on a newbies opinion of what is possible with the sling. In one sense it does get more people interested in slinging, but the other side of it is people who have little skill/knowledge of  something giving opinions that people then take as gospel truth.

The best one to one fighting style I can think of with either a sling or a staff sling is a normal slinger using a rotor. Especially if your 10-15 meters away and the slinger is fairly strong and fast, it will be very difficult to dodge a shot from that distance.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Drakolith on Mar 28th, 2018 at 3:50pm
I feel like this may be a stupid question, but, whatís a rotor?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Sarosh on Mar 28th, 2018 at 3:53pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_rotor
from what i understand morphy means a multiple rotation style could be helicopter style

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:04pm
Yes, Sarosh is right. A rotor is simply a sustained spin until one is ready to release. This is opposed to a throw that always has a set amount of rotations. Think of the typical Hollywood depiction of a slinger.

A rotor has the advantage of maintaining motion and tension on your sling indefinitely until you are ready to throw.

If David started a rotor as he was walking towards Goliath he would have maintained an even spinning until the right moment upon where he would've pulled into the throw and immediately slung the stone. That's the benefit of a rotor.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Mar 29th, 2018 at 3:27am
I'm with morph . I think the main advantage of using rotor techniques is being ready to shoot(ammo secured in pouch). But I'm not sure that it has much application outside of warfare. For sling hunting a more stealthy technique will likely work better than rotors. And target practice it really don't matter at all .

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by RS on Apr 18th, 2018 at 1:18am

Morphy wrote on Mar 28th, 2018 at 8:04pm:
A rotor has the advantage of maintaining motion and tension on your sling indefinitely until you are ready to throw.

If David started a rotor as he was walking towards Goliath he would have maintained an even spinning until the right moment upon where he would've pulled into the throw and immediately slung the stone. That's the benefit of a rotor.



yes, he used a short sling.† it is said most likely to have been two straps of leather crossed like a sharp "x" .†

now the staff in his hand is another thing.† a staff was used as, among other things, a range finder.† staffs were not random sticks, well they could have been if they were worked on a little.† they had a measurement system.† according to the height of the person whom it would belong to and up to the next even cubit added.† most were marked half way down, marked at one cubit from each end, as well as marked with the span and breadth of the hand on each or at least one end.† it was for all purposes also a "measuring rod".† when he had it in hand, holding out the skinny end towards the enemy to get the range.† it helps when nervous...he was using it to measure off the distance as he ran up to the giant, rotating his short sling in the other hand.† when he was the right distance, prolly two or three lengths of the staff or whatever he had practice a lot at, it was over.† there is a guide to the staff in old jewish writings...it usually had a couple other lil tricks like that to it too....† some made their's as needed instead of carrying one all the time.† †they sharpened the end and made staves out of them, some with said systems on them and usually would throw them away when done.† slinging groups would make walls out of them to stand behind when needed.† like a wall off an old frontier fort.† and have different length staves through out the camp for hand to hand problems, but mostly they just used them to dispatch the enemy wounded after battle.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Bill Skinner on Apr 19th, 2018 at 9:38am
RS, where are you getting your information?  Can you give a title or author?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by RS on Apr 22nd, 2018 at 7:58pm
yes bill i most certainly can...it will take a little minute but i will work on getting that together and when it is complete will pm it to u.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Apr 23rd, 2018 at 5:33am
Could you post it here?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by RS on Apr 25th, 2018 at 4:27am
no.† but i have started gathering some of the info for mr. skinner.† in a way i feel bad about doing it like that, but i will show him a couple things regarding it anyway.† it is a chore but one i am not too burdened by.† but i am going to start making a series of training videos later this spring and summer.† †drills for slinging improvement, one of the best places to do said drills, show a few neat things about different styles that i have not seen others show, and among many other things..."the game"...

the game is the ultimate in slinging games, witht he exception of playing war.† it involves one certain type of slinging move called,(for a loooong time) "the floating backhand."† †the playing forum requires a small bit of a set up, but really is easy to adjust.† each man, for the most part will have a slightly different webbing height...according to his personal 'full' cubit(measured from the bent outside elbow to middle finger tip, or two and a half spans of the hand. (span is used here to mean length and not full area or expanse as it also means) as a cubit and two and a half spans are virtual equal).† so no one has advantage.† the projectile leaves the sling, cannot go over the man's webbing which is set at his cubit in height and the longest thrown distance wins...it has to be done with the floating backhand only which requires a certain hold and follow through....the entire maneuver feels completely unnatural but is call by the name that it is† because when the projectile is released it floats† a cubit or less off the ground for as far as it can go(if it touches the webbing it is disqualified, if it goes out of bounds sideways or touches the sticks holding the webbing, it is disqualified, and when it touches the ground it is dead, i.e. rolling does not count towards distance.)† as each man's height is raised or lowered according to his own body, no one can claim disadvantage one way or another....it is supposed to be the deciding factor of who has the best working understanding of slinging dynamics...today i got, and with my non dominate hand i might add...approximately 16 metres,(i had no webbing but was easily within height) a new record for me...when i do the video to show how it is set up, i will offer a trade forum challenge, prized for any who can beat my distance, which will be recorded at the time of instruction and show u the results.

side note: the same source in which i got this and the staff info. also lays out, what it calls, the proper sling to body size measurements. but i will hold that down for now as well.

iow's i am going to wait on much of what i have to say until the videos to keep assertion slinging loudmouths at bay.† i will post them on youtube and perhaps leave a link here.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Apr 25th, 2018 at 5:50am
Ok. In that case, Bill, once you get the information could you post it here? Thanks.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by vetryan15 on Apr 25th, 2018 at 9:22am

RS wrote on Apr 25th, 2018 at 4:27am:
no.† but i have started gathering some of the info for mr. skinner.† in a way i feel bad about doing it like that, but i will show him a couple things regarding it anyway.† it is a chore but one i am not too burdened by.† but i am going to start making a series of training videos later this spring and summer.† †drills for slinging improvement, one of the best places to do said drills, show a few neat things about different styles that i have not seen others show, and among many other things..."the game"...

the game is the ultimate in slinging games, witht he exception of playing war.† it involves one certain type of slinging move called,(for a loooong time) "the floating backhand."† †the playing forum requires a small bit of a set up, but really is easy to adjust.† each man, for the most part will have a slightly different webbing height...according to his personal 'full' cubit(measured from the bent outside elbow to middle finger tip, or two and a half spans of the hand. (span is used here to mean length and not full area or expanse as it also means) as a cubit and two and a half spans are virtual equal).† so no one has advantage.† the projectile leaves the sling, cannot go over the man's webbing which is set at his cubit in height and the longest thrown distance wins...it has to be done with the floating backhand only which requires a certain hold and follow through....the entire maneuver feels completely unnatural but is call by the name that it is† because when the projectile is released it floats† a cubit or less off the ground for as far as it can go(if it touches the webbing it is disqualified, if it goes out of bounds sideways or touches the sticks holding the webbing, it is disqualified, and when it touches the ground it is dead, i.e. rolling does not count towards distance.)† as each man's height is raised or lowered according to his own body, no one can claim disadvantage one way or another....it is supposed to be the deciding factor of who has the best working understanding of slinging dynamics...today i got, and with my non dominate hand i might add...approximately 16 metres,(i had no webbing but was easily within height) a new record for me...when i do the video to show how it is set up, i will offer a trade forum challenge, prized for any who can beat my distance, which will be recorded at the time of instruction and show u the results.

side note: the same source in which i got this and the staff info. also lays out, what it calls, the proper sling to body size measurements. but i will hold that down for now as well.

iow's i am going to wait on much of what i have to say until the videos to keep assertion slinging loudmouths at bay.† i will post them on youtube and perhaps leave a link here.


Why can't you post that information that has been requested here? In mutiple posts across this forum, that you have done. Multiple people including myself has requested you post links to information.  To which you haven't done it yet. Also when you started on this forum, a few members had issues with your attitude, that you are the ' all knowing sling master'  which if you can't backup your information to what you stated.  It seems you are pulling this information out if thin air. This forum is for sharing knowledge,  and discussing it. Not picking random stuff from your 'secret ' crystal ball that has connections to the past.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Apr 25th, 2018 at 9:25am
For what it's worth, I'm always willing to be persuaded, though I know that's probably not high on your list of priorities.

If this video does indeed come out with compelling information and target slinging skills to back it up I will be delighted. But...based on 7 years on this forum and reading some pretty wild claims with virtually no proof, I have to say it's hard not to be skeptical at this point.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Apr 25th, 2018 at 10:11am
I really don't want you to feel attacked or anything RS, it's just if someone came to me and told me they have a treasure map that leads to a chest that's full of jewels but they don't let me see the treasure map or go with them to find the chest and they never show me any of the jewels I'm going to start questioning exactly how real the map is. I can't think of a single reason why posting sources on this forum for others to read and investigate for themselves could ever be a problem unless those sources don't exist. Maybe I'm wrong and there's a perfectly good reason as to why you've evaded the question of exactly where you are getting your information and refused to simply post the titles of the books you've read or any of the authors who are so learned in slinging. Maybe there is a good reason but you haven't even offered any reason other than it's "difficult". I could well be eating my words once these videos come out and you actually share the information you say you have access to but I still don't understand why you can't share it now. Please, if you can't actually give us sources tell us WHY you can't give us sources.

It's getting tiresome.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by NooneOfConsequence on May 5th, 2018 at 9:30am
Vet, Morphy, and KTO: I think you may have scared RS off with your completely unreasonable request for references. He hasnít been trolling us with mysterious sling tales of questionable authenticity in a while now† ;D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on May 5th, 2018 at 9:36am
It would seem so. Maybe he's still working on those videos as I type and they're going to entirely revolutionize slinging, the reference list stretching off into infinity, but somehow... I doubt it.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on May 5th, 2018 at 9:51am
Probably to my detriment I always have a little razor thin slice of hope that there will be some video showing something at least. Not just for his claims but for all the people who come on here and make these over the top claims of some new and improved this or that. RS, if you're out there, please make that video. I would be absolutely thrilled to see slinging, as you mentioned, that was so much better it almost isn't even the same sport. No sarcasm there, I would be thrilled.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by RS on May 8th, 2018 at 7:11pm
according to kabbalah doctrine, david's slinging ability really had nothing to do with it.† several reason why, from the way he prepared his rocks to a phrase he used that shocked goliath causing him to momentarily lower his shield giving david all the advantage he needed.† they teach the conversation was a few lines longer than what is biblically referenced.† it is said david never told anyone what the phrase was because it works on everyone.† he only shared it with solomon when david was on his death bed and accordingly solomon has it hidden in full in one of the o.t. writings he supposedly authored, but done in a way that one would not suspect what it is, but that it seems out of place still and kind of, well very sort of... child-like...
also the preparation of the rocks is shared in those.† apparently it has to do with the parched corn according to the kabbalah and a method he used to magnetize those rock by preparing the corn with them then cooking them somehow.† †;D†
i have for sure found another rock mutation recipe....let's see if i can post it and how long it takes to catch the attention of home land security to get here...lol† i'll go ahead and do that now in the goliath forum.
somebody give it a try and see what happens!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on May 9th, 2018 at 2:07am
RS you truly are the Neo of reference dodging.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on May 9th, 2018 at 4:46am
He's the new apex

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on May 9th, 2018 at 11:20am
I'd say he's even more adept than Apex.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by walter on May 10th, 2018 at 12:12am
You do realize that corn did not reach Europe until the 1500s? That is AD. How much longer to the middle east :o

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on May 10th, 2018 at 7:55am
If you're having trouble with the corn I suggest you steer clear of the Project Goliath subforum all together.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by walter on May 10th, 2018 at 9:40pm

Morphy wrote on May 10th, 2018 at 7:55am:
If you're having trouble with the corn I suggest you steer clear of the Project Goliath subforum all together.



:-?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Bill Skinner on May 11th, 2018 at 1:25pm
All I wanted was a picture to the two pieces of leather crossed in an "X" fashion.  I thought he had found a new type of sling and I just couldn't understand how it worked.

I still can't make a cestros or a staff sling work worth a hoot.  When I try, it's safer for everybody to be a long way away.  Probably including myself, I probably have the dubious award of almost being the only guy to almost kill himself with a cestros dart.  I managed to hit myself with the flat instead of the point.

No, I have no idea how I managed that. ;D 

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Sarosh on Aug 5th, 2018 at 4:51pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAE6Qt5byIA

max distance hit was 18m i think.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by woodssj on Aug 5th, 2018 at 11:27pm
Just so everyone's aware: "Corn" in old English and even in some current usage refers to any grain. In the US, we refer to Maize as "Corn" while in Europe it was wheat for hundreds of years. Alternately, corn could also mean barley, rye, oats, or others.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/corn

In biblical terms, it could have been a number of things, but would certainly refer to the most common grain plant of the region involved.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 6th, 2018 at 5:11am
Sarosh I'm liking your Byzantine, big improvement ??

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 6th, 2018 at 1:57pm
Excellent slinging Sarosh.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by walter on Aug 26th, 2018 at 9:04pm

woodssj wrote on Aug 5th, 2018 at 11:27pm:
Just so everyone's aware: "Corn" in old English and even in some current usage refers to any grain. In the US, we refer to Maize as "Corn" while in Europe it was wheat for hundreds of years. Alternately, corn could also mean barley, rye, oats, or others.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/corn

In biblical terms, it could have been a number of things, but would certainly refer to the most common grain plant of the region involved.


I know that, but I do not believe RS does . If he did, why would he call the grain corn?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 27th, 2018 at 9:41am
I tell ya... I believed it all until the corn part. Magical exploding slingstones and Jesus the Holy Noodler aside, it was the corn that broke this camel's back.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Aug 27th, 2018 at 9:15pm
LOL I miss RSís crazy stories. I still laugh that he had people trying to catch fish by slapping the water with a flat stone, but if I had to pick just one favorite, itís definitely the Holy Noodler ;D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 28th, 2018 at 4:02am
No way the turkey throw is the best , because I think it's actually a viable style with a lot of practice , the rest was pure Rs ,,rambling shit

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 28th, 2018 at 4:37am
The Turkey throw is legit. I've tried it out a few times but you need the right length sling to maximise the efficiency of it.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 28th, 2018 at 7:42am

Mersa wrote on Aug 28th, 2018 at 4:02am:
No way the turkey throw is the best , because I think it's actually a viable style with a lot of practice , the rest was pure Rs ,,rambling shit


So I guess that's why it's sort of a shame it turned out the way it did. Trolling 101: don't get so wrapped up in the nonesense that you can't distinguish the real from the BS anymore. He went too deep too fast. There was no getting him back. Slingception.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Sarosh on Aug 28th, 2018 at 12:13pm
what is the "turkey throw"?

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 28th, 2018 at 12:24pm
It actually first came up in RS's intro post. Mersa made a video (because RS was entirely incapable of such a feat...).

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1517174584/0

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Sarosh on Aug 28th, 2018 at 3:54pm
seems like a greek style variant with a more difficult starting position , so why not greek style?
nice throw mersa


Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Aug 28th, 2018 at 11:13pm
A variation of Greek style?! No way! Greek is fairly simple to learn, but the turkey throw is a lost art which takes years to master. It is only preserved in RSís personal library of ancient Phoenecian manuscripts that were passed down to him from the five great noodlers of the Illuminati. Four of them died to protect the secret, and it only made its way to RS from noodler #5 because RS knows this guy who met some kid who saw him pass out at Thirty One Flavors. Turkey style is pretty serious stuff† ;)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 29th, 2018 at 2:10am
To be fair, it isn't any more difficult than Greek and, as was pointed out by RS, you can hold the position so you're ready to fire for as long as you want just by resting your arm on your shoulder. It's fairly powerful and accurate as a throw. It's the one useful thing we got from RS, don't ruin it! :D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Aug 29th, 2018 at 4:00am
Ha ha ha !!!!!
Nice summary !

Might have to revisit the turkey.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Aug 29th, 2018 at 9:02am

Kick wrote on Aug 29th, 2018 at 2:10am:
To be fair, it isn't any more difficult than Greek and, as was pointed out by RS, you can hold the position so you're ready to fire for as long as you want just by resting your arm on your shoulder. It's fairly powerful and accurate as a throw. It's the one useful thing we got from RS, don't ruin it! :D


Lol. It's all we have left of the good times right?  ;D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by walter on Aug 30th, 2018 at 6:33pm

Morphy wrote on Aug 27th, 2018 at 9:41am:
I tell ya... I believed it all until the corn part. Magical exploding slingstones and Jesus the Holy Noodler aside, it was the corn that broke this camel's back.


LOL, read this just when I needed a good laugh.  ;D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:55am
Hahaha ya that guy..... I usually just skipped over his comments but I might have to go back and check out this Turkey throw. So itís just a different starting position?
Mersa and Sarosh you guys are killin it!
So how about a different challenge with October approaching!
Letís practice for a couple of weeks and then have a pumpkin shooting challenge!!!!! By the way, if you have never shot a pumpkin the exit wounds are massive hahahahaha
Or for another more casual challenge get a stone or ball through a basketball hoop from the three point line

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 10th, 2018 at 5:35pm
Like the Halloween theme challenge

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 10th, 2018 at 6:03pm
I agree. Great idea Tomas.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:32am
Perhaps we can make a new thread and get a few people onboard

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 12th, 2018 at 1:53pm
Were it not for my schedule I would be out there slinging at pumpkins....

I take it back, were it not for my schedule and the nonstop rain I would be...

Nope that's not true either. Were it not for my schedule, the rain and these BUGGERS.



I tried going for my jog yesterday. Its been raining for the past week. I knew they would be bad. But I literally coated myself from head to toe with DEET. No good... They were everywhere. It was madness. I ran like I've never run before, made it about 5 mins out and turned back for home running for my life.

Today I will be jogging in place in my living room thoroughly defeated. You guys go...have fun. Houston is a total loss.† ;D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Sep 12th, 2018 at 1:59pm
Rain and all my time is taken up. Any free time I do have is being used to recover from my non-free time and dragging myself outside is a mountain I can't overcome right now. This is only going to last another two and a half weeks. I'm clinging to that right now. I need a holiday.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:27pm
Iíve never seen mosquitos like that! Christ!!!!
Well, itíll be weeks before the pumpkins show up in store so Iím not rushing anyone!
New thread for this might be a great idea.
Quite excited now!!!!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 12th, 2018 at 6:18pm
The person that sent me that pic said it's from the Texas City d**e, a popular fishing spot near my area. Not sure if that's true or not but considering how bad the mosquitos are there at normal times I can imagine what it must be like at dusk on the d**e right now.†


EDIT: Wow... Profanity blocker got me. Well it's bike with a d. Anyways... ::)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:25am
I didn't even know there was a blocker  ;D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Sep 14th, 2018 at 6:31am
Iím going to practice from 10-15 metres later and see how that feels.
I remember Luisí Pons Livermoreís video where he was shooting at 25 metres and even he only got a few hits.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 15th, 2018 at 1:37pm

Tomas wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 6:31am:
Iím going to practice from 10-15 metres later and see how that feels.
I remember Luisí Pons Livermoreís video where he was shooting at 25 metres and even he only got a few hits.


Video or it didn't happen.  :D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:06am
Nothing worthwhile happened lol itís been a while

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:59pm
So I do like the pumpkin challenge. I also think we need a pumpkin pie challenge. Which is essentially whoever can eat the most pie while slinging, holding a sling, or even just being in the general vicinity of a sling.

If you can't justify the calories we can just say it's a benefit for the children. Whos children and how it benefits them is irrelevant. It's for the kids.

This and the obesity challenge are in my top ten. All this clean living is for the birds. Give me a beer and a pizza and I'll take that challenge any day. Again, to be clear, I don't want to, but for the kids I will.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Sep 18th, 2018 at 5:26pm
Amen brother! I can sling pizza and beer in my mouth all fay

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 25th, 2018 at 3:39am
So who thinks we have enough people to start a new thread of challenges ??

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Sep 25th, 2018 at 6:18am
I have been practicing. I wasnít able to hit my soft drink cup but I would have def hit pumpkin a few times!
Letís do this!!!!
https://youtu.be/lqg3YmshhhQ

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Sep 25th, 2018 at 7:16am
Nice sling ,jumper and slinging .


Let's say . One pumpkin as many hits as you need , try make a face. Compare jack o'lanterns????
Sounds like a fun challenge for anyone who can get a cheap pumpkin.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Morphy on Sep 25th, 2018 at 7:33am
Lol awesome Tomas. I'm jealous guys. Have fun.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Sep 25th, 2018 at 6:20pm
I may drape a cheap tablecloth or yard of cloth behind the pumpkin so we can see the pumpkins splatter.
Thanks for the kind words you guys. In all honesty I used to be better but I donít sling all the time like I used to.
Btw, did anybody notice that my slinging got better when I switched slings a little over halfway through? Itís a noticeable difference how much better I am with a sling I designed for myself no matter how good the other sling may be!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 5th, 2018 at 3:54am
So with Christmas almost here and the year coming to an end perhaps we could create a new challenge or even a yearly schedule of online events .

Easter egg challenge

4th of July ??? Financial year?? Solstice??

Halloween pumpkin challenge

SITH sling exchange

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by kicktheotter on Dec 5th, 2018 at 6:53am
Hitting an Easter egg with a sling? Pumpkin was hard enough but I can give it a go :D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by joe_meadmaker on Dec 5th, 2018 at 11:18am

Kick wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 6:53am:
Hitting an Easter egg with a sling? Pumpkin was hard enough but I can give it a go :D

Or maybe just who can throw one of those plastic easter eggs the farthest ;)

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 5th, 2018 at 4:24pm
Clearly the Easter egg challenge is to catch the Easter bunny!?!

Ha ha

I was thinking 10m+ hitting an egg on camera, or throwing a chicken egg for distance ?? Or as many eggs as you can hit in a minute?? This is all up for discussion .

Perhaps the calendar can have a few target and distance events and then the anual SITH to wrap it up

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Tomas on Dec 7th, 2018 at 6:20am
We could do a New Yearís Eve fireworks compilation or even 4th of July!

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Frondeur on Dec 11th, 2018 at 10:57am
Easter challenge: how far can you throw a mo'ai?

or more realisticly, the most decorated slinstone?
I paint mines in flashy colours for easier retrieving. So I guess it's easter every day for me.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Kick on Dec 11th, 2018 at 12:17pm

Frondeur wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 10:57am:
the most decorated slinstone?
I paint mines in flashy colours for easier retrieving. So I guess it's easter every day for me.


I actually quite like this one. I vote for this :D Bonus points if you score a good hit on a target with it.

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 12th, 2018 at 3:36pm

Kick wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 12:17pm:

Frondeur wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 10:57am:
the most decorated slinstone?
I paint mines in flashy colours for easier retrieving. So I guess it's easter every day for me.


I actually quite like this one. I vote for this :D Bonus points if you score a good hit on a target with it.


That does sound like fun!
I think CA might have a leg up on everyone else with his fancy laser burner though. Hereís a rock I polymerized and then etched with a cheap laser a few months ago. With a good laser you could make some awesome looking ammo.
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Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Kick on Dec 12th, 2018 at 5:17pm

NooneOfConsequence wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 3:36pm:

Kick wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 12:17pm:

Frondeur wrote on Dec 11th, 2018 at 10:57am:
the most decorated slinstone?
I paint mines in flashy colours for easier retrieving. So I guess it's easter every day for me.


I actually quite like this one. I vote for this :D Bonus points if you score a good hit on a target with it.


That does sound like fun!
I think CA might have a leg up on everyone else with his fancy laser burner though. Hereís a rock I polymerized and then etched with a cheap laser a few months ago. With a good laser you could make some awesome looking ammo.


...I now have less confidence in my ability to win...
That does look relly cool :D

Title: Re: Online challenge
Post by Mersa on Dec 12th, 2018 at 5:41pm
Easter sling ammo exchange ???

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