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Message started by Shale on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm

Title: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Shale on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm
The following link shows images of slingers in medieval manuscripts:

http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?year=&year_end=&tags=sling&institution=&manuscript=

Not surprisingly, most of the pictures are of David and Goliath, but there are also images of slings being used in sieges and battles. I find the pictures of heavily armored slingers particularly interesting.

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Donnerschlag on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:20pm
Excellent find :)

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Thearos on Jul 7th, 2016 at 10:27pm
Lots of interesting details on sling construction-- some seem braided, other seem like leather pouches attached to cords. One seems to have a leather pouch with slits in the bottom.

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by slingbadger on Jul 8th, 2016 at 6:37am
Another from Matthew Paris. Siege of Damietta- 1240-1253
Ms-16-Roll-178-The-Siege-Of-Damietta-From-The-Sea_-From-The-Historia-Major_-C_1219.jpg (109 KB | 154 )

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by curious_aardvark on Jul 13th, 2016 at 7:14am

Shale wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:02pm:
The following link shows images of slingers in medieval manuscripts:

http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/?year=&year_end=&tags=sling&institution=&manuscript=

Not surprisingly, most of the pictures are of David and Goliath, but there are also images of slings being used in sieges and battles. I find the pictures of heavily armored slingers particularly interesting.


Yeah we tend to forget about the armour side of things.

One of the disciplines The Vikings train is is using a sling with gauntlets on. So once you've run out of ammo, or the enemies charging at you, you can swith over to axe or spear or sword.

They've come up with a great technique of just wrapping the sling round your hand and tucking the end in, saves messing about and lets you grab your weapon quicker and also redeploy the sling very quickly if you get to the point where you can satrt slinging again.

As re-enactors they can't actually take part in weapons combat unless they're wearing their armour. makes sense.

And obviously from a histoprical point of view it would have been a similiar situation.

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Jaegoor on Aug 6th, 2016 at 1:41am
:o :o :o
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Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Jaegoor on Aug 6th, 2016 at 1:43am
:o
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Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Thearos on Aug 14th, 2016 at 7:00pm
Without references and explanations these are nearly useless

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by thabaill on Feb 12th, 2017 at 9:59am
The Battle of Nájera.

https://historiaragon.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/batalla-de-nc3a1jera-froissart.jpg

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Huaraca on Apr 6th, 2017 at 11:07am
Gotta love the 1360 German medieval image where David has a fustibale/staff-sling!

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 20th, 2020 at 5:29am
Excellent find !
And I note a few methods to hold the sling.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=enluminures.pdf (299 KB | 44 )

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 20th, 2020 at 10:01am
With the quarantine, I don't sling on the beach, so I test in my parking without stone in the pouch. I see this method 8 or 9 times. And this method does the work.
My film isn't very good.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=DSCN4389.MOV (3943 KB | 24 )

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Kick on Apr 20th, 2020 at 10:45am
Interesting. I've never tried just holding the cords. I always use finger loops. I've tried a wrist loop and I feel I would probably get use to it eventually but it felt very strange to start with.

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 21st, 2020 at 5:58am
Two videos about the upside down method.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=DSCN4391.MOV (3118 KB | 40 )
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=DSCN4390.MOV (2440 KB | 30 )

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 22nd, 2020 at 4:55am
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/media/cache/manuscriptminiatures.com/original/519-1_large.jpg

Very good find, Shale !

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by TOMBELAINE on Apr 22nd, 2020 at 5:26am
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/media/cache/manuscriptminiatures.com/original/326-10_large.jpg

The finger loops is throwed and the cord is holded.
My video is not very good.

I think that many methods had been forgotten. Is it possible ?
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=DSCN4399.MOV (4407 KB | 22 )

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Jauke on May 25th, 2020 at 4:49am

TOMBELAINE wrote on Apr 22nd, 2020 at 5:26am:
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/media/cache/manuscriptminiatures.com/original/326-10_large.jpg

The finger loops is throwed and the cord is holded.
My video is not very good.

I think that many methods had been forgotten. Is it possible ?


I've also been trying to  determine ways they held and constructed slings with these old pictures, but I think that most of them are nonsensical artistical interpretations who had no experience with the sling
Written sources that describe the sling are probably better

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by TOMBELAINE on May 28th, 2020 at 8:08am
Just my thinks :
Modern boats have a rigid and waterproof hull. Viking boats have a flexible hull and thereford took on water. Can we say that the vikins had crappy boats ? Every era has its needs and thereford its solutions.
With my slingshot, I never had to fend off a pack of wolves that was getting to close to my house. Maybe it is the same with the styles presented ? They do not correspond to our goals of distance, competition and leisure.
I can't remember who wrote it but a member had chatted with an old indian. His throwing style is specific. Who among us use it ? And who is comfortable with it ?
In the Middle-Ages, people lived in the countryside so they knew the slingshot. Kids, the monks had probably played with.

Title: Re: Slings in Medieval Manuscript Miniatures
Post by Sarosh on May 28th, 2020 at 3:27pm

TOMBELAINE wrote on May 28th, 2020 at 8:08am:
Modern boats have a rigid and waterproof hull. Viking boats have a flexible hull and thereford took on water. Can we say that the vikins had crappy boats ? Every era has its needs and thereford its solutions.
With my slingshot, I never had to fend off a pack of wolves that was getting to close to my house. Maybe it is the same with the styles presented ? They do not correspond to our goals of distance, competition and leisure.
I can't remember who wrote it but a member had chatted with an old indian. His throwing style is specific. Who among us use it ? And who is comfortable with it ?
In the Middle-Ages, people lived in the countryside so they knew the slingshot. Kids, the monks had probably played with.


exactly what you said.
A middle aged man after seeing me sling described me how as kids they cut bark off trees to use them as slings until they dry . he didnt seem to be very keen with slings refered to them like I would talk about paper blowguns used at school to annoy others . some people just get by, others are keen and others over analytic

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