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Message started by Banzai on Aug 24th, 2014 at 12:48am

Title: Ammo
Post by Banzai on Aug 24th, 2014 at 12:48am
I saw the Funda-Ball ammo thread, but i decided to open a new thread because I am including a link and everything.  I think that this stress ball type of ammo that the "King of Random"  came up with would be perfect for Funda-ball.   They cost almost nothing to make, are durable, they can be any size you want, and did I mention, cheap! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyfxIryiD8A

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Caldou on Aug 24th, 2014 at 2:54am
You can also search our dear forum for some "rusty ball", explained by Jaegoor.
Here in video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nQQk8meHXE

I usually stop a 3 ballons instead of 10 :)

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Banzai on Aug 25th, 2014 at 12:39am
Oh, ok, it's the same thing.  Haha please excuse my lack of forum research! :-/

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by curious_aardvark on Sep 4th, 2014 at 11:56am
Actually the best - and safest - ammo I'm currently are sockballs.

Take a sock. Fold the foot part in half and roll it up to the straight part.

Put your hand in the open end and hold the rolled up part in your other hand. Twist the rolled up part about 180 degrees, and push that through the leg bit. Do that again till you run out of sock and use a couple of elastic bands round the ball to keep it from unravelling.

This is what i use to teach slinging. They fly well, as far as tennis balls - but are 100% safe !

Having now had - on seperate occasions - 15 scouts and 30 young farmers running around in a field with slings and sock balls. I can categorically state that it's almost impossible to hurt someone with a sockball.  And believe me they all tried !
Cheap, effective and safe.

the rusty balls are essentially a blackjack fired from a sling. Extremely dangerous to sling at people. Great for target shooting as they don't bounce - but should never be aimed at a person.    

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jlasud on Sep 5th, 2014 at 7:30pm
I would never sling rusty balls at people i don't want to hurt.
Instead i've slung bloons filled with flour (much less dense than sand) safely into reenactors. And tennis balls painted black, and tomatoes.
They had shields and some helmets and some armor, so less dangerous than the dull edged metal swords we use..

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Banzai on Sep 7th, 2014 at 1:04am
Sounds like a smart idea, C_A!  And jlasud, Are you a LARPer?

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by thebasketcase on Sep 8th, 2014 at 9:30am
No, he does reenactment. I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Caldou on Sep 8th, 2014 at 3:05pm
Basket is right.

For now, in reenactment also, I slung fresh clay balls at a shield covered Roman. It made a nice stain on the too clean  shield :D

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Banzai on Sep 8th, 2014 at 3:31pm
Sweet!  I'd hate to be the guy behind the shield though!

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by HuntsmanSling on May 6th, 2015 at 10:27am
I couldn't find this in the forum. How heavy are balearic competition glandes? does anyone have a photo? are they made of clay? I'm thinking of making a mold!

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by HuntsmanSling on May 6th, 2015 at 7:19pm
went with plain jane rocks and spray painted them
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Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Sep 6th, 2016 at 10:04pm
i have made some of the rusty balls but mine when i throw them they flatten out(im thinking the air resistance) so they curve a little bit at longer range which scares me because i dont want to lose them in the woods or the lake next to the feild where i most often throw i was wondering if yall knew of anyway to make some sling bullets like the football shaped sling bullets  in my rusty balls i put flower i havent tried sand i may do that also

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Parmenion on Sep 7th, 2016 at 3:00am
@jeffbonds thats strange .rusty balls flatten out on impact.if this happens mid air then something is wrong with the construction.
if you are in the woods why dont you use plain rocks?

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by curious_aardvark on Sep 7th, 2016 at 7:45am

HuntsmanSling wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 10:27am:
I couldn't find this in the forum. How heavy are balearic competition glandes? does anyone have a photo? are they made of clay? I'm thinking of making a mold!


Balearic competitors currently only use rocks.

Every slinger uses different weight rocks - these can vary from as little as 100 grams on up to 750grams.

And as these rocks get smashed if you hit the diana and it's illegal to take rocks from the beaches (which everyone does)  it is becoming something of an issue.

here we see a beach in mallorca just covered in sling missiles:



Rusty balls will deform as they leave the sling if thrown hard - something luis pon livermore has remarked upon on more than one occasion.
I'm also not a fan. Jaegoor rarely throws hard and doesn't - that I've seen - use rusty balls for anything otjer than low power close up throws.
Given that that's how most people throw for competition it's not much of an issue. But the few who throw hard at targets - luis first among them - rusty balls just don't work.   

For me it would make sense to switch to moulded clay missiles. These could be of any weight the slinger wished and would be 100% uniform. Also there are lots of little pottery manufacturers in the islands who would welcome the out of season work.
The slingers name could be embedde din the missile, saving a lot of time with marker pens :-)

But seperating spanish slingers from their machismo and love of big rocks - that's going to be a very long and difficult process. 

And trying to get them to use tennis balls for distance competitions - that's probably going to take me some years to get the messages across.

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Jaegoor on Sep 7th, 2016 at 10:16am
Luis hat versucht einen Rusty Ball zu zerstören. Er hat es nicht geschafft.

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Jaegoor on Sep 8th, 2016 at 3:28am
Safty Ball  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=suwLfksonh4

Rusty s  sind als Indoor  Munition gedacht. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4cuks2YPxCQ

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by curious_aardvark on Sep 8th, 2016 at 6:03am
sock balls are better :-)

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Jaegoor on Sep 8th, 2016 at 8:19am
Nö  :P

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Disciple on Sep 8th, 2016 at 10:32pm
What are the "Rusty Ball" made of? :-?. The "safety ball" seems like a good idea, especially for a newbie like me at slinging ::)

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Caldou on Sep 9th, 2016 at 3:46am
10 Balloons and a few dozens grams of sand

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Disciple on Sep 9th, 2016 at 3:11pm
Thanks Caldou!

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Sep 10th, 2016 at 12:08am
yeah i have noticed that rusty balls deforme i tried some distance throws with them and i saw the flattened a little in flight and would fall really quick and instead of going 130 to 140 yards like a stone they go like 100 yards or less but they are safer than stone

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Disciple on Sep 10th, 2016 at 12:24am
Oh wow, so rusty balls for sure shorten the distance! Luckily I have a lot of forest around my house so I'm going to go practice there tomorrow.  I sling the rocks straight, I just seem to always launch the rocks a little higher than I'm trying to. :). Thanks for the info, Jeffbonds!

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Sep 10th, 2016 at 12:33am
yeah i was using flour in my rusty balls but i have changed to sand and they arent as soft so maybe they wont deform in flight as much and go farther

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Disciple on Sep 10th, 2016 at 12:45am
Sand sounds like a good idea,I'm gonna have to give that a try. Do they tear easily?

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Parmenion on Sep 10th, 2016 at 2:38am

Disciple wrote on Sep 10th, 2016 at 12:45am:
Do they tear easily?

i would suggest you use the rustyballs on a flat wall .
mine got easily teared on a very rough surfaced wall.
make a sample and try it to be sure...
clear the sand from any little stone because it can open holes to the balloons  >:(

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Jaegoor on Sep 10th, 2016 at 6:23am
I would like to explain once again some bargains. Rusty balls are intended ammunition as an Indoor. I use them for the training in a gymnasium. It is no ammunition for distance. They can make the balls harder. If they use more aerial balloons. Hits on Diane stand them very well. Also smooth walls are well suitable. In Majorca a lot of Slinger have tried this ammunition. It functioned with all. Not a ball was destroyed. Also Lui did not create it. Whether one this ammunition may is a personal question. I like personally no tennis-balls. They are too light to me. Rusty balls are no Safty ammunition.

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Jaegoor on Sep 10th, 2016 at 6:28am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGmnXHQxi0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C11w3vD2ok

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Disciple on Sep 10th, 2016 at 1:40pm
Thanks for the tips Parmenion! The local park by my house has a ball wall that I'll go try the rusty ball on! The videos definitely help, thanks Jaegoor! I also tried tennis balls and I agree,the are very light to sling. 

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by perpetualstudent on Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:47pm
This video shows an excellent means of filling the rusty ball with flour or sand respectively. Looks a lot easier than me trying to use a dowel and funnel. You guys might already be doing this but I'm a little slow on the uptake.

https://youtu.be/SyfxIryiD8A

relevant part starts at 52 sec

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Sep 16th, 2016 at 6:24pm
yeah i take a large juice jug filled with sand its about a half gallon jug so i can fill it up and not have to keep refilling so i can make a bunch of them quickly

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Sep 16th, 2016 at 10:13pm
has anyone tried a exploding round like taking a shotgun round tapeing a small steel ball on the primer taking the shot out the shell but leave the powder and tie streamers to the back so it flies primer first and if it hits something solid the round blows up adding weight to the shot fiil the shell with sand where the shot would have been and pack it back itd be fairly dangerous but fun to throw away from people

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Sep 19th, 2016 at 9:20pm
if im not mistaken i think i have seen some bipointed golfball looking projectiles on here in some post somewhere i forgot where but started thinking about it and wondered how to make those ore where i could get them but there is always that chance im just crazy haha :D ;D

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by curious_aardvark on Oct 4th, 2016 at 10:18am

perpetualstudent wrote on Sep 16th, 2016 at 2:47pm:
This video shows an excellent means of filling the rusty ball with flour or sand respectively. Looks a lot easier than me trying to use a dowel and funnel. You guys might already be doing this but I'm a little slow on the uptake.

https://youtu.be/SyfxIryiD8A

relevant part starts at 52 sec



lmao - that is so much simpler than the way i did it. :thumb:

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Oct 4th, 2016 at 7:48pm
has anyone tried throwing eggs before we have a good bit of chickens that lay more eggs than we can eat (60 a day)so i like to take some and throw them and they fly really well they are just a little to light for me but i can still throw them pretty far on very little effort they are pretty fun to throw

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Oct 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm
on tracking how fast a throw is do yall think one of them baseballs that tracks the throwing speed would work  i found some on line that tracks up to 120 mph but idk if those need to be caught or if throwing them in a field would mess up the reading from it hitting the ground and bouncing i was thinking it might read the bounce after the throw

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Parmenion on Oct 14th, 2016 at 3:14am

jeffbonds wrote on Oct 13th, 2016 at 12:00pm:
on tracking how fast a throw is do yall think one of them baseballs that tracks the throwing speed would work  i found some on line that tracks up to 120 mph but idk if those need to be caught or if throwing them in a field would mess up the reading from it hitting the ground and bouncing i was thinking it might read the bounce after the throw


i don't think there will be a problem with the reading
but 120 mph is low...

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Oct 14th, 2016 at 11:38am
yeah i could probably find one that can read a little higher speeds the one the reads 120 mph is just around $12 but they make better ones

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Parmenion on Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:02pm
@jeffbonds can you send a link of the device?
also timpa has used some similar device http://linko-sling.jimdo.com/kuulan-nopeus-projectile-speed/
but it's very expensive http://store.pocketradar.com/

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Oct 14th, 2016 at 8:33pm
https://www.amazon.com/Speed-Sensor-Baseball-MPH-Markwort/dp/B000BX4O0I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1476491487&sr=8-2&keywords=smart+baseball

that was it

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Oct 14th, 2016 at 8:33pm
thanks for the help

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by jeffbonds on Oct 16th, 2016 at 8:41pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fwytA5r2Mw
that looks like a good safe projectile

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by IndyDude on Oct 10th, 2017 at 9:32am
Surfing around from above videos, I ran across this proto putty (described how to be made in this video ) which seems like it might work well for ammo, and be cheap..  It looks like it can be worked for several minutes then dries into a hard rubber type substance.

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by kicktheotter on Oct 10th, 2017 at 9:42am
That's pretty darn cool but I don't know about using it for sling ammo. The problem is that's bouncy and bouncy ammo means it could go anywhere and it would make it harder to find. Leaving silicone out in the wild (I think most people here sling outdoors in parks and the like) wouldn't be so good for the environment. I have some bouncy balls in the shape of American footballs which would be perfect bi-pointed ammo but they are just far too bouncy and I think I would loose them instantaneously. This stuff does look like it would be good for making molds though. I might have a go at making this stuff sometime :D

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by IndyDude on Oct 10th, 2017 at 10:01am
yeah, I didn't think about molds!  I bet it would be good for that!

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Curious Aardvark on Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:21am
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1496247190

Just saying :-)

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by IndyDude on Oct 12th, 2017 at 2:19pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on Oct 11th, 2017 at 11:21am:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1496247190

Just saying :-)


Thanks CA!  I'm definitely thinking of taking that offer up.. :D   I suppose if I use the fancy search functionality here I'll find something about making clay balls with kitty litter too, huh?   ;D

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Curious Aardvark on Oct 13th, 2017 at 7:03am
Not sure, that was a spur of the moment inspiration. :-)

The best general purpose ammo I've used, is hand rolled weighed clay balls. Around the 70gm mark is an ideal size and weight.
These guys like the shaped missiles, so i designed the rollers :-)

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by vetryan15 on Oct 13th, 2017 at 7:54am
I  the future,  I am gonna pick.up one of those clay rollers. I.mostly use tennis balls, abd river rocks at the moment

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Curious Aardvark on Oct 13th, 2017 at 11:44am
Added couple pics to the thread - the two larger moulds are morphy's which should be in the post over the weekend.

I will add that random 3d printed items, will also most likely appear in the parcels from time to time.
Possibly even 2nds or test mould sets.
You just never know :-)   

Title: Re: Ammo
Post by Morphy on Oct 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm
Whoo hoo! Cant wait.  ;D

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