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Message started by asemery on Feb 27th, 2013 at 12:09am

Title: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Feb 27th, 2013 at 12:09am
Water bottle carrier.  Can be carried in hand or clipped to wahatever

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by timann on Feb 27th, 2013 at 11:08am
Nice.  Okay, how did you make that.  Is there any obscure net-making tricks I don`t know yet ;)


Edit:  Followed the previous links and found tubular nets.
     

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 27th, 2013 at 3:19pm
How to make a tubular net with a neat end?

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Feb 27th, 2013 at 3:25pm
No secret at all.  
I do not have a step by step tutorial  but here is how I made the net.
I used the grommet start  http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/about1715.html  adjusted to fit my water bottle. I used a 1' wide gauge.  I made 7 loops which with the drop knot made 8 loops (meshes) around.
I tied 12 rows which was sufficient to cover my water bottle.
To make the handle I started tying again but only tied into the first 3 meshes (leaving 4)
After 7 rows I finished it the same way I finished the modification to the net bag discussed here http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1360798615/all-0  step #4.

The final knot was tied into the bag rather than into the handle as shown in the example. Obviously tie into only one mesh at a time when tying into the body of the net.

 
Works well for my cell phone as well



There are over a dozen net making related topics discussed here
http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/index.php?c=7  You might want to tr the chain start (under instructions) for tubular netting and try one of the many ways listed to finish a net.  Cheeers, Tony

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 27th, 2013 at 4:07pm
You have one dinosaur of a cell phone, but I am one to talk. I have no love for modern stuff, except computers and the internet. And paracord, etc.
Oh, and thanks for the tutorials, I love them. Site is now one of my bookmarks.
My cell phone- super cheap old thing, but dependable and useful. Its a flip-phone. I like it.
It is missing most of the keypad, I just press the keypad domes after licking me fingers. works good.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Feb 27th, 2013 at 4:26pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 4:07pm:
You have one dinosaur of a cell phone, but I am one to talk. I have no love for modern stuff, except computers and the internet. And paracord, etc.


I bought my cell phone in 1999 and have no reason to replace it.  I use it for long distance calling and it has come in handy in while travelling (I miss pay phones).  I agreee with your assessment of modern stuff.  Glad you like the tutorials and the website.  Tony

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 27th, 2013 at 5:15pm
Unless something breaks, do not replace it. If you don't need something new, dont buy it! I find it funny how modern society is- "hey, its new, I need it cause it will make me cool!"
Ya, no offense to anyone here. Just saying somehting.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Arcane Tinker on Feb 27th, 2013 at 9:39pm
Asemery, and other experienced net-makers: sometimes as my net advances, my rows get a little wonky. What is the best way to bring them back into line? I really don't want to undo the net a row or two when I'm 23 meshes wide.
The best I could figure was to run the mesh gauge on the new row so the longest loop would knot up like normal and the rest of the short loops would knot up a little shy of the gauge. At least that way the loops in that row would end in an even line.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Feb 28th, 2013 at 12:05am

Arcane Tinker wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
The best I could figure was to run the mesh gauge on the new row so the longest loop would knot up like normal and the rest of the short loops would knot up a little shy of the gauge. At least that way the loops in that row would end in an even line.

That is a good way to get the meshes back in line.  To prevent further problems

Hold the gauge 90 degrees to the net
If you are using a foundation cord make sure the first row doesn't bunch up on the cord.  This could cause a slight angle to the net resulting on uneven rows.


Here are a few hints to help the beginning Net maker:
1.  MAINTAIN THE PINCH.  Pinch the 2 legs of the previous loop and the Working End between your thumb and forefinger against the top of the gauge.  This prevents the working end from slipping back.

2.  When you make a sheet bend, you are first forming a half hitch around the 2 strands of the loop you are tying into.  As you tighten draw the knot to the right instead of down to take out the slack.  As you see the half hitch form on the 2 legs gradually ease it down to your thumb and forefinger.  Do not release your pinch until the half hitch is locked into place, forming the sheet bend.
3. Keep pulling back to maintain some tension in the work.
4.  The most common mistake a novice makes is letting the half hitch form below the loop being tied into.



Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by timann on Feb 28th, 2013 at 10:49am
I chose the chain start, which I found on the pineapple-forum.  My first attempt soon revealed itself, even if I did my best to pay attention, as a  Möbius-strip ( :D).
I untied it and soon got correct start.  I`ll continue later today.

As I have so far worked with thin fuzzy flax I have learned to pay attention to the sheet bends, I want no incorrect knots on my nets :)

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Paleoarts on Feb 28th, 2013 at 11:22am
thanks for this. i've been doing a lot of gourd canteens lately and my netting is in desperate need of some improvement i think.


Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Steven on Feb 28th, 2013 at 2:16pm

Paleoarts wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 11:22am:
thanks for this. i've been doing...


Yeah .... you're pullin' those knots so tight ya can't see'em any more.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by timann on Feb 28th, 2013 at 3:01pm
Paleoarts, are those nets made by reverse twisting, or what?
Great gourd canteens.  I imagine the invention of carrying along water in such containers was a major step toward becoming modern humans, maybe to some degree comparable to smashing stones to make sharp shards, or using fire.

PS My bottle carrier seem to come along nicely.  I wonder how other net makers handle the gauge.  In the beginning it slipped to the floor between each sheet bend, not all that fun, and I soon tied a  neck lanyard to it, a solution that seem to work just fine.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Steven on Mar 1st, 2013 at 10:18am

timann wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 3:01pm:
...

PS ...  I wonder how other net makers handle the gauge....


Saw a video of a person making crab nets and for the base rows he used his fingers as a gauge...
then went on to use a netting fixture that had a stationary pin and a movable pin to set the gauge.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Arcane Tinker on Mar 1st, 2013 at 11:27am
I realized that I have the "pinch of death" on my gauge. After half an hour of net making, my gauge forearm feels like a block of wood and the muscle at the base of my thumb is all engorged and scary looking.  I can probably let up a little bit.

What I really need to do is completely switch hands with every row.  (Instead of flipping the net and always working right to left, leave the net alone and work right to left, then left to right with the gauge in the opposite hand)

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Mar 1st, 2013 at 11:58am
Topic added to the PW's Index.
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by timann on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:35pm
Here is my first Water Bottle Carrier Net :)

Well, asemery/Tony, I suppose you have got a new net maker started ;)
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Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:05pm
COuld I possibly trade someone for one of those shuttle-needle things? I currently cut my strands, many of them, and knot them together. I would like to do proper netmaking, but cant yet

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:31pm
squirrelslinger
I am unable to trade for netting needles (that is how I got  most of mine).  I do have some suggestions.  You need something to handle a long length of cord so that it does not become tangled.  It does not have to be a traditional netting needle.

Easy to bend from a length of coat hanger


My first netting needle was a wooden ruler with a notches cut out of each end as shown in my instructions  http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/about551.html  I have even made such a needle out of cardboard when nothing else was available.

You can buy needles from commercial fishery suppliers such as
http://www.memphisnet.net/category/netsupplies

Timann,
I am happy to see a new netmaker develop.  Now you can try some of the tubular/circuolar nets described at the netmaking forum.  Even try a hammock.


Arcane Tinker
Although proper tension is required you do not need to have a death grip on the gauge as you realize.  Although it will not help relieve your gauge hand problem you might want to consider the following method.  I originally promoted it as a way of oncreasing your net making speed.  I have since found that it is easier to teach (and learn) this method from the beginning.  I do not teach the traditional method any longer at my net making demonstrations.  Give it a try.
At one of my net making demonstrations years ago a spectator who was a tatting expert suggested this method.  It eliminates the need to make a bight to the left of the loop you are tying into.  This results in a increase in the speed of the netting process.
1.  Instead of making the bight (loop) to the left, bring the needle to the right with the cord around the back of your hand.
2.  Bring the needle behind the 2 strands as usual, the cord stays around the back of your hand.
3.  Back your hand out of the loop and tighten as usual.  



Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Arcane Tinker on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:12pm
My first net project. A giant purse net starting 10 meshes wide expanding to 24 wide, 50 meshes long, 2" gauge. 18# mason twine.

Makes a dandy hammock for the kids
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/R4vKdtkNsv_-u5cw7BHh_TfAWHJ7g1veqw9v9ZpTa-Q?feat=directlink

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:17pm
Arcane Tinker,  I can see why your hand did get tired after a project like that.  Congratulations - very nice.  Tony

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by timann on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:23pm
I`m an eager whittler and have for some time known I`d have to make a netting needle/shuttle.  Not least because the one I had was a thin plastic item made for thin cord, I suppose monofilament.
So I made one from the same kind of wood I used as gauge (20 millimeter wide, 6 millimeter thick).  Didn`t take long time with aid of knife, the saw on my Leatherman and a needle file.  With a larger gauge and slightly thicker jute I tested it and work fine.

I made a spare needle as a future student has already requested some net-making lessons ;)

Notice the lanyards on the gauges.  Work great for my net making.

PS Arcane Thinker, that was quite a project.  I could need a new hammock but I`d need to work on my patience first.
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Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 6:59pm
Nice woodwork and netmaking timman

Arcane Tinker made a giant purse net into a person size hammock.  Here is a normal size purse net made into a storage hammock.  

The grand neices stuffed toys show capacity of net capacity of net.  I tied 9 loops onto a metal ring.  Used a 2" wide gauge.  I increased one mesh at the end of each subsequent row up to 18 meshes across. Then began to decrease one mesh down to 9 and attached to ring at other end.  I next attached side cords.These side cords are a few inches shorter than the netting and  give a "belly" to the netting.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 10:16am
Nice. could you make a net slinging bag with approx 1 inch holes? I would be very, very happy to trade for that, even if I wont use it for anything but a pattern!
Anyway, I am gonna make one of these from BL
http://www.memphisnet.net/product/4644/needles_nylon
Or just use a piece of wire:D

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by Arcane Tinker on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 11:02am
Asemery, I think you set a new record by including Raggedy Andy and a teddy bear in a Primitive Weapons thread....and they still look happy.

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:50pm
squirrelslinger,
How big a net do you want?  I used a 1 1/4" wide gauge for these nets.  They have a drawstring at the top for adding items and a slit opening for easy access without undoing the drawstring.





Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by walter on Mar 7th, 2013 at 8:04am
Haven't been able to figure this water bottle carrier out. Found a tutorial for a paracord holder netted up like a gill net, but no step by step instructions for this type. Would one of you netters do a tutorial? Asemery? timann? Arcane Tinker?

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by timann on Mar 7th, 2013 at 1:16pm
walter, I went to the pineappe forum and found the tutorial for using the chain start for tubular/curcular nets so I could get started.  When the tube was reasonably long I used what I had learned fron the other thread, by closing the bottom and adding the handle.  
Looking at my pictures I realize I took them before I added the handle :D

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by walter on Mar 7th, 2013 at 3:48pm
Ok thanks timann :)

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by asemery on Mar 7th, 2013 at 3:53pm
Walter,
 Check the fourth post in this thread.  I have outlined there how I made the carrier.  Post again if you have any problems.  Cheers. Tony

Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by walter on Dec 7th, 2013 at 1:18pm
Here's a small netted bag inspired by asemery's phone carrier made of doubled jewelry hemp. Makes a half pint gift of wildcrafted jam seem a little more impressive ;)

The bag

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Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by walter on Dec 7th, 2013 at 1:23pm
With half pint jar
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Title: Re: Water Bottle Carrier
Post by curious_aardvark on Dec 9th, 2013 at 6:42am
that's cool. :thumb:
I tend to give out much smaller jars than that at christmas.

Mind you this year they've got nuclear strength horseradish condiment in one and a smoky bacon based spread in the other. Both of which tend to be used in pretty small amounts.

Although I can eat the bacon spread with a spoon :-)

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