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Message started by HuntsmanSling on Feb 17th, 2013 at 9:49pm

Title: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 17th, 2013 at 9:49pm
        The tut sling looks really cool from the fine specimen displayed by Blackfur. I have tons of experience using the Balearic sling but zero experience with with the tut sling. My question is ; What are the pros and cons from someone that has used a tut sling in terms of holding different sizes of rocks compared to the balaeric sling pouch? Also in terms of release of the stone? .. And any other differences anyone has noticed? I'd really like to know as I'm tempted to start making some tut slings for my customers as the detail involved is impressive, especially to my average customer. Any feedback from experienced people who've thrown with both would be greatly valued !

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 17th, 2013 at 10:11pm
Personally, I hate the balaric AND the tut. no offense anybody..

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 17th, 2013 at 11:19pm
Lol. None taken sir.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Dan on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:27am


Balearics are usually geared towards large stones, Tut's are usually geared towards smaller stones.

I'm a balearic fan, always will be. I like the weight, look, and feel. I have also recieved a tut sling recently which I like. I've always liked the look of the tuts too. However, most of my slinging is done with larger rocks and tennis balls. So unless its a "war tut" I'll probably stick with my balearic most of the time,

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:34am

Dan wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:27am:
Balearics are usually geared towards large stones, Tut's are usually geared towards smaller stones.

I'm a balearic fan, always will be. I like the weight, look, and feel. I have also recieved a tut sling recently which I like. I've always liked the look of the tuts too. However, most of my slinging is done with larger rocks and tennis balls. So unless its a "war tut" I'll probably stick with my balearic most of the time,


I totally know where you are coming from when you say you like the weight and feel of the balearic. And I see what you mean by saying tuts throw smaller stones generally. What if someone made a very large tut pouch. Can this be done?

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:40am
there is this thing called leather.
Anyway, I am sure it can be done. but it would take a massive amount of cordage.
I personally like the rockman and rocklaric, both sort of a cross between a solid pouch and a stranded pouch. Balarics have this annoying"rocks fall out of this thing" problem... I find the tut a little small pouched, good for throwing lead, but not much else.
-Squirrel

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:15am

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:40am:
there is this thing called leather.
Anyway, I am sure it can be done. but it would take a massive amount of cordage.
I personally like the rockman and rocklaric, both sort of a cross between a solid pouch and a stranded pouch. Balarics have this annoying"rocks fall out of this thing" problem... I find the tut a little small pouched, good for throwing lead, but not much else.
-Squirrel


It's alright I'm willing to use lots of material. Just bought 33 spools of 1/16 th inch thick sporting cord, 100 ft each for around $160 total. All different colors and patterns purchased online a few days ago. By the way can't wait for it to arrive ^^

In terms of the rocks falling out I have 100% solved that problem and I never lose a rock. I could convert you squirrel to love the balearic. Its all about helping out the next guy and I'd love to give one to you because i think you would really appreciate it. Just pm me bro if you're interested.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:35am
Really? I have had problems since I started slinging.
My first balaric was actually decent braiding. i tried it and I was like OS! I nailed my neighbors barn with the stone cause it fell out.
I was done with the thing. I use helicopter to throw, sidarm and overhand to throw for accuracy.

-Squirrel

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Dan on Feb 18th, 2013 at 2:05pm

HuntsmanSling wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:34am:

Dan wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:27am:
Balearics are usually geared towards large stones, Tut's are usually geared towards smaller stones.

I'm a balearic fan, always will be. I like the weight, look, and feel. I have also recieved a tut sling recently which I like. I've always liked the look of the tuts too. However, most of my slinging is done with larger rocks and tennis balls. So unless its a "war tut" I'll probably stick with my balearic most of the time,


I totally know where you are coming from when you say you like the weight and feel of the balearic. And I see what you mean by saying tuts throw smaller stones generally. What if someone made a very large tut pouch. Can this be done?



Yeah, there are a few Tuts out there that have been made from gutted paracord that were bigger than average. Its definitely possible, but it'd be more difficult.

I've used balaeric slings almost exclusivly for the past year (and I sling almost every day) and I can count on one hand the amount of stones that have slipped out. All styles, lots of different sizes of rocks.

Its sounds like you probably have enough cordage for both  ;)  Post pics and let us know how they work out  :)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 18th, 2013 at 6:25pm

Dan wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 2:05pm:
Yeah, there are a few Tuts out there that have been made from gutted paracord that were bigger than average. Its definitely possible, but it'd be more difficult.

I've used balaeric slings almost exclusivly for the past year (and I sling almost every day) and I can count on one hand the amount of stones that have slipped out. All styles, lots of different sizes of rocks.

Its sounds like you probably have enough cordage for both  ;)  Post pics and let us know how they work out  :)


It sounds like you make the balaeric sling quite well. I'd love to see some pics unless they are already somewhere on the forum. What material of cord do you use? .. I always am curious if its successful. Also how wide is your pouch from end to end? I've found a 5.25 inch pouch is quite useful for holding very large rocks and if you weave the two sides of the pouch so they fit close together naturally it can hold much smaller rocks as well.

I will for sure post pics in the next couple of days. Im in the Charlotte NC airport right now just waiting to go home to Portland ^^


Here is where I purchase all my utility cord.

http://www.atwoodrope.net/product-list.php?asc_action=Paginator_SetRowsPerPage/pgname=Catalog_ProdsList_90/rows=34

It's also a direct link to the page of 1/16th inch utility cord colors. I bought them ALL :)

I also buy the much thinner para cord to weave in my leather for the finger hole and some pouches.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:16pm
Wow. you bought ALL of those?????
You spent 160$ on cordage you may never use?????
I spend around $2 for 1/16 cordage approx 200'  Here is the catch- its jute, and I braid it myself.
you can spend around $10 for a 500' spool of paracord somewhere,I forget where. I bought some years ago for making bracelets for a boy-scout project.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Dan on Feb 18th, 2013 at 9:25pm
Here's my most used balearic sling, I've posted it several times. Its definitly my favorite sling. I've learned a lot since my last natural fiber balaeric sling, its about time to make another. I can't weave very well so the Balearic sling fits the bill perfectly.
I've got a few jute and sisal slings but I just used a 5 strand braid. These next ones I'll probably use smaller strands and use a 7 or 9 strand. (same as 5 but with more cords  :) )




And here are some of my earlier sisal Balearics.


Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:33am

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 7:16pm:
Wow. you bought ALL of those?????
You spent 160$ on cordage you may never use?????
I spend around $2 for 1/16 cordage approx 200'  Here is the catch- its jute, and I braid it myself.
you can spend around $10 for a 500' spool of paracord somewhere,I forget where. I bought some years ago for making bracelets for a boy-scout project.

I have a business with many customers mate. And it's not paracord but if u know cheaper let me know! :)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 19th, 2013 at 2:49am
In a way, it depends more on where your preferences lie. Aside from 3 Balearic slings I've made, I own two Tut slings: one I made with a cup as deep as the one seen in Timothy Potter's tutorial, and one that I got in a SITH from Hubert (Which had so little cupping, it was more like a Lahun than a Tut.)
Personally, I don't like "solid" pouches with a deep cup; my release always fumbles and ends up significantly late. Oddly enough, this has never been a problem with split pouches. :P
While mine ended up doomed to the shelf halfway through it's first session, Hubert's is amazing and is an incredibly responsive plinker that can easily handle 4-6 oz rocks and would be especially nice for glandes and manufactured ammo. Definitely a fave.
When made uber thick like the originals, the Balearic slings seem to thrive on oblong/irregular ammo ranging from 4 oz to half a pound. (Which in all fairness, the upper portion of that is above my preferred range due to the strain they put on my arm.)

So basically it depends more on what you prefer: one is better for smaller ammo--such as glandes--and could care less what the shape is, or how smooth it is. The other is better-suited for larger oblong/irregular ammo such as natural rocks.
In their traditional forms, it all comes down to your preferred choice in ammo. :)




squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:40am:
there is this thing called leather.
Anyway, I am sure it can be done. but it would take a massive amount of cordage.
I personally like the rockman and rocklaric, both sort of a cross between a solid pouch and a stranded pouch. Balarics have this annoying"rocks fall out of this thing" problem... I find the tut a little small pouched, good for throwing lead, but not much else.
-Squirrel

I still have no idea what you mean by "Rocklearic". Could you describe it in more detail? Because the defining difference is essentially the pouch, so how can they be both at the same time? :-?

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:56am
@ Dan : those look really really nice. I really like the sisal and how it looks tough as nails but resembles if not looks exactly the same as those made and used on the Balearic Islands by the champs. I'm curious though how the release cord with your sisal models hold up to wear from the rocks rubbing when released. They don't look too frayed even though they don't have the leather protectant seen on the slings made in the Mediterranean. Is the sisal that tough or have they just not been used extensively yet? Also is there any maintenance needed for upkeep? Ie I've experimented with running Shea butter on my twine slings to add durability to exposure or use. Do you or have you tried something like that? I've had mixed results.. Thanks for sharing!

@ Donnerschlag: I do like the feel of throwing much heavier rocks which I guess, as you alluded to, is why I prefer the balearic sling type. I think I'm still going to try a giant tut sling and post the results, if nothing else but for posterity purposes. I'm also thinking of trying to make a balearic style, however instead of the two pouch sides, there will also be one shallower pouch of the same thickness in the center. I saw this on the link someone posted of a balearic craftsman selling them online. It was hard to see but there are several just like I describe on giant pile of regular balearic slings. Here is the link. Look at the main picture of a bunch of slings and you will notice several with a pouch with three separate sections of pouch.

Here: http://www.mallorcashop.net/slings/169-sling-honda-fona-schleuder-mallorca.html

Originally found by forum member okieslinger. Should be interesting to make :)

Also Donner I'm not familiar with the Lahun or Hubert styles. Can you point me in the right direction and/or post it in a reply. MUCH thanks!

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Dan on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:50am

HuntsmanSling wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:56am:
@ Dan : those look really really nice. I really like the sisal and how it looks tough as nails but resembles if not looks exactly the same as those made and used on the Balearic Islands by the champs. I'm curious though how the release cord with your sisal models hold up to wear from the rocks rubbing when released. They don't look too frayed even though they don't have the leather protectant seen on the slings made in the Mediterranean. Is the sisal that tough or have they just not been used extensively yet? Also is there any maintenance needed for upkeep? Ie I've experimented with running Shea butter on my twine slings to add durability to exposure or use. Do you or have you tried something like that? I've had mixed results.. Thanks for sharing!


They do wear a bit on the release cord. Its littereally been thousands of shots but all I've got is a little fraying on the cords. Part of that's do to an overly extensive "lighter" treatment too. I've tried bow string wax but it didn't seem to do much.

Might as well just try to make another one and braid it tighter and/or add a longer leather reinforcement pouch.

The fraying would have been less if I used a tighter braid and made it a 7 or 9 strand like my next one will be.  :)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 19th, 2013 at 2:13pm

HuntsmanSling wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:56am:
@ Dan : those look really really nice. I really like the sisal and how it looks tough as nails but resembles if not looks exactly the same as those made and used on the Balearic Islands by the champs. I'm curious though how the release cord with your sisal models hold up to wear from the rocks rubbing when released. They don't look too frayed even though they don't have the leather protectant seen on the slings made in the Mediterranean. Is the sisal that tough or have they just not been used extensively yet? Also is there any maintenance needed for upkeep? Ie I've experimented with running Shea butter on my twine slings to add durability to exposure or use. Do you or have you tried something like that? I've had mixed results.. Thanks for sharing!

@ Donnerschlag: I do like the feel of throwing much heavier rocks which I guess, as you alluded to, is why I prefer the balearic sling type. I think I'm still going to try a giant tut sling and post the results, if nothing else but for posterity purposes. I'm also thinking of trying to make a balearic style, however instead of the two pouch sides, there will also be one shallower pouch of the same thickness in the center. I saw this on the link someone posted of a balearic craftsman selling them online. It was hard to see but there are several just like I describe on giant pile of regular balearic slings. Here is the link. Look at the main picture of a bunch of slings and you will notice several with a pouch with three separate sections of pouch.

Here: http://www.mallorcashop.net/slings/169-sling-honda-fona-schleuder-mallorca.html

Originally found by forum member okieslinger. Should be interesting to make :)

Also Donner I'm not familiar with the Lahun or Hubert styles. Can you point me in the right direction and/or post it in a reply. MUCH thanks!

Oops. Hubert is a member of this forum, not a style of sling. Sorry if I gave that impression. ;)

Here's the Lahun sling: http://slinging.org/wiki/index.php?title=Famous_Historical_Slings
Aside from having a more diamond-shaped pouch, there seems to be little to no cupping in the pouch vs a Tut sling. I was comparing the lack of cup in Hubert's Tut sling to that of a Lahun sling  ;)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by blackfur2 on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:49pm

HuntsmanSling wrote on Feb 17th, 2013 at 9:49pm:
        The tut sling looks really cool from the fine specimen displayed by Blackfur. I have tons of experience using the Balearic sling but zero experience with with the tut sling. My question is ; What are the pros and cons from someone that has used a tut sling in terms of holding different sizes of rocks compared to the balaeric sling pouch? Also in terms of release of the stone? .. And any other differences anyone has noticed? I'd really like to know as I'm tempted to start making some tut slings for my customers as the detail involved is impressive, especially to my average customer. Any feedback from experienced people who've thrown with both would be greatly valued !


Thanks for your nice comments about my sling :). To ancer your question I would say the tut is better at holding meny diffrent size ammo. I mainly use my nice tut for tennis balls as I do not wont to reck it with stones it holds any size from golf balls to base balls nicely I would say better than a Balaeric as a tut can hold a wet soild rubber ball and not slip out as it happends to me a lot with balaeric slings. The release is beter with a Balaeric I feel. it is much sharper than a tut as in quicker with tuts it feels like they release a few Milliseconds after but that just from little use of a Balaeric I received from timman in the Xmas sith, if your going to make a tut I would try useing about 25 raps with the sport cord that should hold a tennis ball nicely. But once you get to the middle of the weaving have 3 weaves and not 2 like the tutorial on here. And have a few practices first as they are hard to get right first try my nice one was my 8th tut ever made and the ones before that are a mess lol,

I hope this ancers your question and that you can understand my crap grammar and spelling am good at doing and makeing things not typing things lol , if you don't let me no and will try explan it better

Cheers

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 19th, 2013 at 9:34pm
You need to stop apologizing for your grammar and spelling, it's fine. I can understand you perfectly. :)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 19th, 2013 at 9:54pm
Truely.. Some people on this forum have FAR worse grammer and spelling.
Anyway- lets list pros and cons of the Tut VS balaric pouches

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 19th, 2013 at 9:58pm
No blackfur your grammar is just fine man. I will be referring to your post on wraps when I start my tut sling. Right now I'm just finishing squirrelhunters sling now and once i finish his ill start working on my first tut. Thanks very much for your advice black fur. If you can think of any other points of advice pls post them here! Thanks again.

- Matt

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by ghost0311-8541 on Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:36pm
Lol i be that person

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 20th, 2013 at 1:01am

ghost0311-8541 wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:36pm:
Lol i be that person

Lol nope. There's more than one, which happens. I've found that punctuation and spelling don't have much to do with manners, intelligence, or slinging skill. Because of that, I don't say anything about grammar as long as I can understand the gist of what's being said.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by lakeslinger on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:44am
Till now I haven`t made good experiences with balearic slings. I lost nearly every stone at the windup, except when I put very low power in the shot, with the consequence of worst distance and accuracy. I tried different sizes of ammo, with the same results. The only sling of the balearic type family that worked is my honda manchega (see the how to`s section). But it needs such big stones that it`s really difficult to sling without tearing out your whole arm.
Never tried it, but I can imagine that some leather sewn on the pouch inside (like in the upper picture of Dan`s slings) prevents losing the ammo. Natural fibers as well as paracord are very slippery when used in this kind of slings.

From the 2 sling-types in this topic I prefer the tut sling. I have one with quite a small pouch, maybe 2 inches wide and it throws nearly everything. Once I found a small (empty) wodka-bottle at the lakeshore where I use to sling. It was more than 2 times longer than the pouch width, but I loaded it and slung (?) it with a lot of power. The bottle left the sling exactly in the right release moment and flew away straightly about 70 m.
Also tried big stones - no problem for the tut.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Teg on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:49am
I have more experience with split pouches than with closed pouches.
However my observation is that closed pouches are a bit more forgiving for mistakes while shooting. Also split pouches allow only for a certain range in projectile size, but this range is still quite broad if the sling is well made (approx. 75 - 250 gramm). You also have to pay more attention while positioning the projectile in a split pouch. You further have to match the size of the split to the preferred ammunition. In general you can say that with every type of pouch you can shoot every size of projectile. You just have to plan ahead accordingly while making it.

I also got the impression that braided split pouches are more "aggressive" and faster than solid pouches.

If you want to shoot round projectiles (like tennis balls) with braided split pouches you have to make the pouch slightly smaller than for stones of the same size. This will prevent that the ball slips through the split. Split pouches usually don't handle perfectly round projectiles of different sizes very well (e.g. shooting a tennis ball as well as a small rubber ball). In contrary a solid pouch handles round projectiles of any size well, as long as they don't get too big.

If your projectile keeps slipping out of a split pouch there may be several mistakes involved:
If it slips out through the gap:
- Your strands are too long or the projectile is too small
- Your strands are too "round" and "twisty"
- The gap opens too much or it is too stiff for "lateral" movement. This means that you have somehow messed up the connection of split to retention cord or it is not yet flexible enough. This often happens when the sling is new and not yet shoot in while the projectile being slightly too small.
- The projectile was not placed accurately enough.
...

If it slips out sideways:
- The strands of the pouch don't have the same length.
- The projectile was not placed accurately enough.
- Shooting errors like making "edges" while moving your arm.
...

As already said by others, closed pouches are less sensitive for the actual shape of the projectile and are also less sensible for too small projectiles. However it is nearly impossible to shoot a large projectile with a too small solid pouch.
Therefore I recommend solid (or quasi-solid like aussi-pouches) for beginners and split pouches for more advanced slingers.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Dan on Feb 20th, 2013 at 9:46am
The only times I've had ammunition slip out of any braided split pouch is with golfballs, slick Ice cubes, if the pouch was much too small for the ammo, if I used non reinforced mason line, or if the pouch was much too large.

Really, a properly made baleraic pouch should almost never loose stones. That EDC sling on Page 1 I've slung everything from 1/2 inch rocks to fist size rocks (thousands) with onlt a few mishaps.

Teg has some good advice there to help you out in your endevors of split pouch slings.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by walter on Feb 20th, 2013 at 12:05pm
You can also adjust a split pouch so it won't loose small ammo by threading a short string through both pouch halves at each end of the pouch.

I used red yarn on this sling so you can see what i'm tryig to say. Shortened the split about an inch.
In this pic the split is too long and loose.
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Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by walter on Feb 20th, 2013 at 12:10pm
Now it will throw small ammo
2013-02-20_09_49_36-1.jpg (59 KB | )

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Dan on Feb 20th, 2013 at 2:57pm
I've done what walter did there with a few of my split pouches as well. It works.

Here are some Balearics I made from a few different kinds of cordage. Shows you the versatility, and also how much I like the design.  :)


Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:16pm

lakeslinger wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 4:44am:
Till now I haven`t made good experiences with balearic slings. I lost nearly every stone at the windup, except when I put very low power in the shot, with the consequence of worst distance and accuracy. I tried different sizes of ammo, with the same results. The only sling of the balearic type family that worked is my honda manchega (see the how to`s section). But it needs such big stones that it`s really difficult to sling without tearing out your whole arm.
Never tried it, but I can imagine that some leather sewn on the pouch inside (like in the upper picture of Dan`s slings) prevents losing the ammo. Natural fibers as well as paracord are very slippery when used in this kind of slings.

From the 2 sling-types in this topic I prefer the tut sling. I have one with quite a small pouch, maybe 2 inches wide and it throws nearly everything. Once I found a small (empty) wodka-bottle at the lakeshore where I use to sling. It was more than 2 times longer than the pouch width, but I loaded it and slung (?) it with a lot of power. The bottle left the sling exactly in the right release moment and flew away straightly about 70 m.
Also tried big stones - no problem for the tut.

Since when have big stones hurt your arm? start with 6 oz and go in 2 oz increments up to 16 oz and you should be fine. almost every stone I sling is >10 oz, and ALL of them are over 6, with the exception of bb-filled golf balls(which throw me WAAYAYY off cause they are sooo light!)
Oh, and I can understand that if you go from 2 oz stones to 16 oz stones, it might hurt. It is totally different- it goes from "insane speed" to "fast wrist and arm movements that hurt if you mess up"
-Squirrel

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 20th, 2013 at 3:17pm
Oh, and Walter, it is easier to just weave the pouch together at middle, Ill take pics and explain soon.
-Squirrel
PS- I AM SQUIRRELSLINGER, NOT SQUIRRELHUNTER(although I have hunted squirrel with broken glass ;))

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by walter on Feb 20th, 2013 at 5:33pm
S slinger, I've woven the ctr. Works good, but its not any easier. I called you S hunter? Sorry about that :-/

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Jaegoor on Feb 20th, 2013 at 6:36pm



I like the Balearic Sling much. She is very stable when shooting. However, one must understand how they individually adjusted up. Is the " letter " is too large, we often lose because stone. Or to shoot a dirty style

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:28pm
Dude, that thing is BEAUTIFUL!!!!
I love it- Prettiest sling I have seen in a while. How do you get that braid?
Anyway. Balarics are more picky...

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Jaegoor on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:46pm
It is woven of linen. it is not made ​​from raw fiber. The sling is made of max. 32 strings

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by MickR on Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:41pm
Damn I want one...I'm gonna make one! 32 strings huh?! Might need to work up to it, after I let my fingers heal from the six strand I just made out of sisal rope. (pulled a rope apart to get the cordage)


Mick

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 21st, 2013 at 1:27pm

Jaegoor wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:46pm:
It is woven of linen. it is not made ​​from raw fiber. The sling is made of max. 32 strings

How does a linen Balearic sling hold up to wear and tear compared to a sisal?
I've been wanting to try linen out for a while now, but I want to know if it's worth the shipping expenses ;)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Dan on Feb 21st, 2013 at 3:41pm

Donnerschlag wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Jaegoor wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:46pm:
It is woven of linen. it is not made ​​from raw fiber. The sling is made of max. 32 strings

How does a linen Balearic sling hold up to wear and tear compared to a sisal?
I've been wanting to try linen out for a while now, but I want to know if it's worth the shipping expenses ;)



I know the question, is directed towards Jaegoor, but I would think linen would wear a lot better than sisal. Linen is what a lot of guys use for their warbow strings (super strong bows with draw weights up to 150lbs) because its so tough and strong, but most bowyers wouldn't even think about using sisal for anything but super light weight (15lbs -) bows.

So using the bow string reasoning, its probably much better, but I have yet to actually try it.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 21st, 2013 at 4:11pm

Dan wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Donnerschlag wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Jaegoor wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 7:46pm:
It is woven of linen. it is not made ​​from raw fiber. The sling is made of max. 32 strings

How does a linen Balearic sling hold up to wear and tear compared to a sisal?
I've been wanting to try linen out for a while now, but I want to know if it's worth the shipping expenses ;)



I know the question, is directed towards Jaegoor, but I would think linen would wear a lot better than sisal. Linen is what a lot of guys use for their warbow strings (super strong bows with draw weights up to 150lbs) because its so tough and strong, but most bowyers wouldn't even think about using sisal for anything but super light weight (15lbs -) bows.

So using the bow string reasoning, its probably much better, but I have yet to actually try it.

Then again, tensile strength is different then resilience to abrasion. Otherwise paracord would be the de-facto God of all sling materials ;)

I see your point though. And I like it when people address questions like this, regardless of if it was directed at them or not. Either way, I get my answer. Haha

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by jlasud on Feb 21st, 2013 at 4:57pm
Yep.
If one cord of a sling can hold ~ 20pounds,it's plenty enough. Friction is what's killing our slings.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 21st, 2013 at 5:19pm

jlasud wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 4:57pm:
Yep.
If one cord of a sling can hold ~ 20pounds,it's plenty enough. Friction is what's killing our slings.

If you wrap it in leather, it lasts forever. ok, maybe not forever. but Close!
I like the style a lot. And  Donner, making slings from sisal is easy if you have thick skin. it is my main material. Jute is used for slings that I might end up giving away or trading because many people do not like sisal.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 21st, 2013 at 5:31pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 5:19pm:

jlasud wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 4:57pm:
Yep.
If one cord of a sling can hold ~ 20pounds,it's plenty enough. Friction is what's killing our slings.

If you wrap it in leather, it lasts forever. ok, maybe not forever. but Close!
I like the style a lot. And  Donner, making slings from sisal is easy if you have thick skin. it is my main material. Jute is used for slings that I might end up giving away or trading because many people do not like sisal.

I've no problem working with sisal, especially when I work with it wet. (Once it's broken in, a densely-braided sisal sling is surprisingly slinky. ;) )
I really love the feel of broken-in hemp, but not only is the smell... funky, but the release cord often disintegrates quickly until it's too short to use. :P
For now I just use nylon mason's twine for my workhorse sling/s; doesn't smell, is pretty durable, and never had a disintegration problem with it.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 21st, 2013 at 7:23pm
    So Ive taken all of your guys advice and tried something different. First of all thank everyone for your comment and input. The wealth of knowledge and experience you guys have given is invaluable!

So I figured a giant tut has its advantage by being totally encompassing the rock with full support. However I like the versatility of the balearic pouch for holding different sizes of rocks. So I tried to achieve the qualities of both of the balearic and tut pouches. This is what I came up with based on the link okieslinger posted of a local artisan in the Balearic Islands.

Tell me what you guys think. About to test it out so ill reply back with feedback on how it performed.








Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:40pm
Wow! First time I've seen a Rockman and an Etruscan combined! :o
It came out very, very well. Daddy like

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by lakeslinger on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:16am
@ Teg: Thanks for your advices. You made a really systematic error-searching list. Great work!
          I agree that split pouches throw faster and more "aggressive" than solid ones.
          In fact I prefer the split pouches, too, especially the peruvian style and rockman slings.
          When I wrote that I prefer the Tut over balearic slings I refered only to this two kinds of slings.
          My "problem" occurs only with the balearics I made. Maybe some leather attachment would make the
          split pouch a bit stiffer and less "round and twisty", cause I think that is the error. The size of the gap
          determines the ammo size, but as I tried every size of rocks, I could exclude this as a reason of my
          mistakes. Also if still not perfect in technique (I´m far away from being a professional slinger) I don`t
          loose stones due to edgy movement e.g. with flat leather pouches, that tend to sideways slipout of
          ammo.

@ sqirrelslinger: When I wrote about big stones I ment tennis ball up to 2 tennis ball size. They need quite a
                       lot of power to be thrown. I red the article in the advices and how to`s section of this page
                       and how somebody killed a cow with a honda manchega. So I wanted to try it (not to kill a
                       cow, but to sling the big stones).

@ walter: I tried the sewing method once with a jute over sisal rockman, cause the stones slipped out, but it
             didn`t help. I have another rockman with a big gap, that never lost a stone, also it was small enough
             to slip through, and it`s very soft / flexible.  But you´re right, the sewing can help a lot when you
             make the split too long. I made that several times with my earlier peruvians.

Again thanks a lot to all of you guys. It`s great how everyone here helps with experiences, ideas and advices.
After reading all this I really have to give the balearic slings another chance.

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by lakeslinger on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am

Donnerschlag wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:40pm:
Wow! First time I've seen a Rockman and an Etruscan combined! :o
It came out very, very well. Daddy like


There`s one I posted in the picture thread (p. 212). Here it`s again. It`s more rockman than etruscan.

Great work, HuntsmanSling!
21-triple-rockman_001.jpg (264 KB | )

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Jaegoor on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:01am
My balearic sisal sling for about 3 years. With linen I have no direct comparison. They throw but a bit faster. I use wax to abrasion. Both

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 1:05pm

lakeslinger wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:22am:

Donnerschlag wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 8:40pm:
Wow! First time I've seen a Rockman and an Etruscan combined! :o
It came out very, very well. Daddy like


There`s one I posted in the picture thread (p. 212). Here it`s again. It`s more rockman than etruscan.

Great work, HuntsmanSling!

Ah--must've been during one of my hiatuses...haiatii? Anyways, that's a really nice and consistently-woven sling. I like the woven release tab ;D


Jaegoor wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:01am:
My balearic sisal sling for about 3 years. With linen I have no direct comparison. They throw but a bit faster. I use wax to abrasion. Both

I see. As for throwing faster, perhaps the linen sling denser? (because of the wax?)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 2:32pm
Lmao I didn't even notice the woven release tab! That's awesome :)

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by LightSlinger on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:25pm

HuntsmanSling wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:15am:

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:40am:
there is this thing called leather.
Anyway, I am sure it can be done. but it would take a massive amount of cordage.
I personally like the rockman and rocklaric, both sort of a cross between a solid pouch and a stranded pouch. Balarics have this annoying"rocks fall out of this thing" problem... I find the tut a little small pouched, good for throwing lead, but not much else.
-Squirrel


It's alright I'm willing to use lots of material. Just bought 33 spools of 1/16 th inch thick sporting cord, 100 ft each for around $160 total. All different colors and patterns purchased online a few days ago. By the way can't wait for it to arrive ^^


Oooo.  Where did you get the cord from?




Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by HuntsmanSling on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:35pm
www.atwoodrope.net

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by walter on Feb 24th, 2013 at 9:03pm

walter wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 5:33pm:
S slinger, I've woven the ctr. Works good, but its not any easier. I called you S hunter? Sorry about that :-/


No, wasn't me. On p. 2 reply #20

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 24th, 2013 at 9:16pm

Jaegoor wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:01am:
My balearic sisal sling for about 3 years. With linen I have no direct comparison. They throw but a bit faster. I use wax to abrasion. Both

Both.... Do what? Sisal seems like it would be more durable than linen, but have not touched either for a few months....
Just joined Paleoplanet, will probably be far less active now :(
-Squirrel

Title: Re: Tut Sling Pouch vs Balearic Pouch
Post by lakeslinger on Feb 27th, 2013 at 4:12am
Still braiding a traditional balearic sling I couldn`t wait to try one. Due to the problems I described previously in this thread and after some great advices I got here, I took the sling on the picture attached here and coated the split pouch with natural latex glue (the picture is taken before this). Now, with this thick rubber coating I don`t lose stones and was already able to make some good throws. The unfinished balearic sling I´m working on will be made of green jute (max. 36 strands) and leather sewn on the pouch. When finished I´ll post it in the picture thread.
38-b-2new-rubber.jpg (65 KB | )

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