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Message started by asemery on Feb 13th, 2013 at 6:36pm

Title: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Feb 13th, 2013 at 6:36pm
To use for carrying slinging stones simply use a smaller gauge.

This is straightforward net making - no increases or decreases used.
Once my students can tie the sheet bend  http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/about551.html  I have them make a simple net bag like this.
1.  Using the chain start http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/about950.html make a chain 16 meshes long.  I used a gauge 1 1/2" wide

2.  Make a panel 30 rows long.

3.  On either side take a separate cord.  Count down 5 rows and strung the cord through the side meshes (see top of photo).  Tie the ends of the cord together (see bottom of photo).

4.  Take a separaate cord and string it through the end meshes (see top of photo).  Tie the ends of the cord together to form a loop (bottom of photo).

5.  Hang the bag by these 2 end loops.  Will hold a lot of onions or potatoes or whatever.  


Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 13th, 2013 at 7:48pm
Nice tutorial!
i am totally making one of those! i get impatient with sheet-bends, and end up making crud :(
Maybe ill use your method. i use small stone, so its hard to carry...

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Pikåru on Feb 13th, 2013 at 9:54pm
Nicely done.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Feb 14th, 2013 at 1:47pm
This is another great job asemary!
It's always good to see you're active and posting the results of your efforts!
Here in my town we use a tool equal to the one in your first photo to make or repair fishing nets.
I'll move this topic to PW's section and Index too  :)
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 14th, 2013 at 2:16pm
Now I`m sure I`m going to learn how to make nets before I die ;)
I made my first fumbling piece right now, with kitchen twine.  And for the first time ever have I used the net repair needle/gadget (or tool, as Mauro said) I found in a drawer somewhere ages ago.

Watching this thread I suddenly figured it is particulary silly that I, of all people, can`t make nets :D

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Feb 14th, 2013 at 6:28pm
Thanks for all the comments guys.  If you want to explore the craft further go to the net making forum http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/index.php?c=7  where there over a dozen netting related topics to explore.  Tony

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by walter on Feb 14th, 2013 at 6:37pm
A really useful craft 8-) I think after bow strings I'll work on nets.

timann, I am surprised :o

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Arcane Tinker on Feb 14th, 2013 at 10:27pm
I just leaned how to net last weekend...it's very meditative.  I made a very crude shuttle from PVC.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 16th, 2013 at 12:09pm

timann wrote on Feb 14th, 2013 at 2:16pm:
Now I`m sure I`m going to learn how to make nets before I die ;)
I made my first fumbling piece right now, with kitchen twine.  And for the first time ever have I used the net repair needle/gadget (or tool, as Mauro said) I found in a drawer somewhere ages ago.

Watching this thread I suddenly figured it is particulary silly that I, of all people, can`t make nets :D

Thanks to asemery`s teaching, and wth an additional class by Caldou I`m now able to make nets.  First I made some initial fumbling with white cotton twine, then I staggered my way further with thin jute twine before I finally was able to make a small piece of fine netting, with all masks of equal size and an understanding of what goes where when.   Not a storage bag yet but I can do it now.  

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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 16th, 2013 at 12:13pm
And closer.  It would not lay flat, but it is really symmetric.  
Thanks to those who made this possible, I have known the basic idea with the sheet bend, but not how to make it become a net.
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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Rat Man on Feb 16th, 2013 at 7:33pm

timann wrote on Feb 14th, 2013 at 2:16pm:
Now I`m sure I`m going to learn how to make nets before I die ;)
I made my first fumbling piece right now, with kitchen twine.  And for the first time ever have I used the net repair needle/gadget (or tool, as Mauro said) I found in a drawer somewhere ages ago.

Watching this thread I suddenly figured it is particulary silly that I, of all people, can`t make nets :D


  I'm in the same boat.  It's about time I learned to make a net.  This tutorial explains it very well.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Feb 17th, 2013 at 7:11am
Topic added to the PW Index.
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 18th, 2013 at 5:58pm
I use a totally different technique. I might get around to making a bad using my technique later, and as far as I can tell, its actually easier.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:23pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 5:58pm:
I use a totally different technique. I might get around to making a bad using my technique later, and as far as I can tell, its actually easier.

Pleasse post information about your technique.  I am very interested in all forms of net making.  Tony


Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:19am
I made a complete storage net.  Because of my usual reloading tecnique it won`t be wery practical for sling ammo but I could carry other stuff in it.  It is made from thin jute cordage, at least most of it 1,2 millimeter.  My netting needle is small, I think it is made for repairing monofilament freshwater fishing nets.  It would not be practical for thick cordage.  Of course I must whittle a bigger one sooner or later.
Mainly I made this net bag for the bragging rights; Nets?  of course I can make nets :)
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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Arcane Tinker on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:42pm
You can make a net needle out of almost anything. This is the one I made out of a piece of 2" pvc.  I used a drill to make a series of holes around the needle and then cleaned them up into a slot with a file and sandpaper.
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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by walter on Feb 19th, 2013 at 4:52pm
Thanks for the link asemery!

Timann, that net looks great :) Strong too.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:33pm
Nice looking nets tinmann.  Nice needle walter.  I have used your drilling to make needles from paintg stirring sticks and rulers,  No whittling required, just filing and sanding.  Tony

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Feb 19th, 2013 at 5:33pm
Here I go. Complicating a simple project.  First I removed the side strings and tied the side meshes together using the sheet bend but NO gauge.

Next I took away the end loops.  Starting at A (either end) I went across the end row tying into 2 meshes each time.

I tied 20 rows to hake a shoulder strap.  To make a simple short handle only tie a couple of rows.

To tie back into the body of the bag I put a loop through the middle of the handle to stretch the netting apart,  I first tied into the first 2 loops of the 8 and then back to the handle in  the numerical sequence shown.

TaDa



Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 21st, 2013 at 1:57pm
My first net is already in use as a storage net, but I`ll try to look into this as my next net project.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 24th, 2013 at 11:44am
Okay, I`m firmly stuck at the first picture in part #2.  Need more details.  HELP!

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Feb 24th, 2013 at 6:53pm
Does this help


Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 25th, 2013 at 11:19am
It helps.  But I still wonder if all the side meshes is tied together, or just as many as in the first project :)

Edit- I decided same as previous was right for my project, now it`s time to next part, the handle/strap :)

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 25th, 2013 at 2:04pm
Here is my new net.  I decided it was a bit small to require a full shoulder strap so I made just a carry handle.  I`d prefer a shoulder bag/net to be made from stronger and preferably thicker cordage (= make suitable needle), and perhaps with a larger gauge.




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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Feb 25th, 2013 at 2:52pm
You have it timann.  Nice bag.  You can tie into as many side meshes as you want.  Fewer meshes tied into will make a shallower bag.  As you have discovered you can alter the tutorial to suit your needs.  Tony

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Feb 25th, 2013 at 3:18pm
Thanks.  And yes, I realize I can make a lot of stuff with the knowledge I already got.  Seriously cool.  And interesting.  Finding an effective way to handle the to-be net, needle, gauge, how to make the sheet bends without disrupting something was in itself an interesting challenge.
I fear this net making stuff could easily be a little addictive.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:34pm
I made a sling stone net.  I tested it in the weekend, and it worked surprisingly well.  Because of the cold I was a bit hampered by my clothing, so I has to do some adjustments later (the sides are closed with slipknots).  I must make sure  the ammo dont fall out but still can be accessable with one hand.  Those who have seen my videos know I prefer to reload fast, without looking away from the target.  To make this happen the ammo net need to be adapted to the purpose.  Fortunately it`s just part of the fun, I`m glad I took the time to learn how to make nets.

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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by walter on Mar 14th, 2013 at 5:51pm
Nice net! Like the stones too 8-)

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:23pm
That is a very nice net.  I often tell people that netting can be both beautiful and utilitarian.  Your net proves my point.  Tony

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Mar 15th, 2013 at 5:34pm
Thanks.  walter, I got enough stones to keep me going for a while when the zombie apocalypse comes. These are about 200 - 250 grams.
asemery, nets can indeed look god and be practical.   Once I was not aware of that :)

After looking into the pineapple forum I just now figured out ways to make nets while they is gathered in a loop.  Could come in handy.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:17pm
I have a spool of horrible 1 mm poly-? and decided to use some of it to make a spare sling ammo net.  It did not end up all that good because the stuff is hard, stiff and slippery and the knots will not stay in place.  I can still use it for tennis- and bandy balls, but smooth stones may slip out when knots loosen themself up.

Anyway, what I have learned so far about sling ammo nets is that the opening outward must be lower than in toward the body to keep the hand from going all the way through instead of down to the ammo.
And I prefer to keep the front opening together with a separate cord tied with a slipknot.  Then I can adjust the pouch so I can either carry more ammo safer, but the ammo toward the bottom is slower to reach, or I can tie it so I can carry less ammo but reloading goes faster all the way to the last shot.


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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Thunder Chief on Mar 17th, 2013 at 10:02pm

timann wrote on Mar 17th, 2013 at 2:17pm:
I have a spool of horrible 1 mm poly-? and decided to use some of it to make a spare sling ammo net.  It did not end up all that good because the stuff is hard, stiff and slippery and the knots will not stay in place.  I can still use it for tennis- and bandy balls, but smooth stones may slip out when knots loosen themself up.

Anyway, what I have learned so far about sling ammo nets is that the opening outward must be lower than in toward the body to keep the hand from going all the way through instead of down to the ammo.
And I prefer to keep the front opening together with a separate cord tied with a slipknot.  Then I can adjust the pouch so I can either carry more ammo safer, but the ammo toward the bottom is slower to reach, or I can tie it so I can carry less ammo but reloading goes faster all the way to the last shot.


Drip a little super glue on those knots, that'll hold 'em.  Timann, what're the pineapple forums?

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Mar 18th, 2013 at 8:01am
Thunder Chief
The Pineapple Knot Forum is a great knot tying resource.  http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/index.php
The net making section  http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/index.php?c=7  has over a dozen netting related topics including many sets of instructions.

No need for glue.  The double sheet bend will stay tight in synthetic cord.

See It discussed here  http://pineapple.myfunforum.org/about1689.html

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:05pm
If I make a net from slippery poly-stuff again I`ll make sure I use the double sheet bend.  I knew it would be issues with this stuff when I made the net, but I wanted the practice and I wanted to use the cordage for something (it`s almost useles for anything,it`s even harder, stiffer and more slippery than such stuff tend to be.  Cheap, though :D).  
And my net will work for the ball ammo I usually use.  

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Mar 18th, 2013 at 4:28pm
Another way to store ammo is with a net with a slit in it.  A drawstring at the top of the net allows you add items to the bag.   The slit opening lets you access to the ammo without using the drawstring.  The slits were tied into the netting.  No cutting of meshes involved.  The red line is there to outline the opening.  Try to figure how the slits were made.  For a discussion go to the forum.  Tony
Vertical Slit

Horizoltal Slit

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Mar 19th, 2013 at 12:32pm
I had of course lurked around in the forum and found the answer already :)

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by Teg on Mar 19th, 2013 at 1:18pm
Tony, do you know that you spread the netting virus quite efficiently?  ;)
Thanks for all the information!

Appended: Storage of a selected shot.
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Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by walter on Mar 19th, 2013 at 5:47pm
Interesting carrier Teg! If you make two more you will have quite a unique bola ::)

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Mar 19th, 2013 at 7:01pm
Teg,
 It is good to see that another person has caught the netting bug.  Although walter has a very good idea I think that if you use that net when you dye Easter Eggs it would make a nice pattern.  Just a thought.  Tony

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by asemery on Aug 11th, 2013 at 11:54pm
At my recent net making demonstraton I made up a panel of netting and was about to tie up the sides to make a storage bag.  I realized that if I used small soft shackles


I could change the number of side meshes I included and make either a storage /shopping bag


or a storage hammock


Small carabiners would work equally well.  Tony





Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by timann on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:32pm
Good ideas.  So far I have used "temporary" ties with reef knots but I like these new idea and will try it out.

Title: Re: Net Storage/Tote Bag
Post by squirrelslinger on Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:18pm
haah a bowline bend works quite nicely.
but it takes more line... works good for paracord though.

I like the simple overhand knot or a double sheetbend for makeing nets.
but i use a wierdo method- i cut a ton of strands and knot every one together.

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