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Message started by Teg on Jan 7th, 2013 at 9:14am

Title: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Teg on Jan 7th, 2013 at 9:14am
As promised in http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1351455177 I post now the tutorial on how to make a sling with a knotted pouch.

A low resolution version of this tutorial is attached to this post. A high resolution version can be downloaded from here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nl1qb31abs0yxdr/Tutorial_knotted_pouch.pdf

For the retention and release cords a 6 strand round braid is used. It can be replaced by any type of braid you like. If you want to work with an uneven number of strings just use the weft thread as additional string in the braid.

To make this sling an advanced skill level is required.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask (PM or here). Also ideas for improvement (the sling as well as the tutorial) are very much appreciated!

Have fun!

Teg / Thomas Gartmann

[edit]Replaced appended tutorial by corrected version[/edit]
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=Tutorial_knotted_pouch_-_small_001.pdf (4157 KB | )

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Teg on Jan 7th, 2013 at 9:16am
And here a picture of the finished sling.
Sling_with_a_knotted_pouch.JPG (197 KB | )

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:42am
I'm very glad to be the first to congratulate with you  :D
If you're going to have one of these with you at Montelago I'd love to try it out!
I bet it works greatly and the design seems very sturdy as always  8-)
Good job Teg!
Mauro.

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 7th, 2013 at 11:05am
:D I can't wait to try this! Many thanks, Teg!

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by GeneralMushroom on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:05pm
Very pretty sling :) Definitely will have a go when I get a spare moment (and more string!)

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Timothy Potter on Jan 7th, 2013 at 3:21pm
That's a great looking sling, and a very well made tutorial. Thanks for all the work you put into it.

I did notice one small typo in the text. The 2nd sentence of the caption for Figure 5 start out "This loops are..." but should be "These loops are."

-Timothy Potter

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Pikåru on Jan 7th, 2013 at 9:38pm
Really nice original work Teg.

Does your sling have a name?

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by LightSlinger on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:04am
How about "The Teg Star" sling?

Great Tutorial by the way..  It looks like I'm gonna have a new project coming up!  Awesome..

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Jan 8th, 2013 at 4:45am
I'll vote for any name with "Teg" in it.
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Caldou on Jan 8th, 2013 at 7:51am
If I'm not mistaken, Teg's inspiration came from this video.
Let's keep it in mind while looking for a name :)

But I also vote for something with Teg in it ^^

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by GeneralMushroom on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:19am
Teg Basket sling

All in favour?

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Rat Man on Jan 8th, 2013 at 9:04am
  Thanks, Teg.  That's a great looking sling and a tutorial is a lot of work.  Your efforts are much appreciated.  I'll post your tutorial in the FAQ a little later if no one beats me to it.  

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:54am
Ehe this reminds me that C_A still have to post my tutorial on melting lead glans somewhere  ;D ;D
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Teg on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:33pm

GeneralMushroom wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 12:05pm:
Very pretty sling :) Definitely will have a go when I get a spare moment (and more string!)


The 30 meters indicated in the tutorial should be more than enough. Everything in this tutorial is quite generously calculated, especially the 1 meter of reserve string in step nr. 27  ;).

For such a sling I actually need less time than for an elaborate balearic one, especially with such thick string as this one was made out. One day should be plenty of time if you have already some braiding and knotting experience.


Timothy Potter wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
I did notice one small typo in the text. The 2nd sentence of the caption for Figure 5 start out "This loops are..." but should be "These loops are."


Thank you very much! I will upload a corrected version this weekend.


Pikåru wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Does your sling have a name?


Bof, that's something I have not thought about really. For the tutorial I refered to it as "knotted pouch" as it is how it was made. In my project folders it's labelled as "Seesterntasche", translated "Starfish pouch". I guess this was due to the fact, that TIAT mentioned in the video (see below) once the starfish pattern. My proposition would therefore be to call it a "starfish" sling or pouch. If you want to do me an honour add a "Teg's" before it ;).


Caldou wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 7:51am:
If I'm not mistaken, Teg's inspiration came from this video.
Let's keep it in mind while looking for a name :)

But I also vote for something with Teg in it ^^


Yes, I won't deny that the idea for this technique comes from this video  ;). I posted it also in the first thread about this design, when I was brainstorming for ideas for the connection. I just saw this video and thought: "Well, if this guy makes a basket with this technique, I will make a sling with it." It was sort of a handicraft challenge against myself ;). I added some elements, altered some others and scored a win against myself  ;D.


Rat Man wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 9:04am:
  Thanks, Teg.  That's a great looking sling and a tutorial is a lot of work.  Your efforts are much appreciated.  I'll post your tutorial in the FAQ a little later if no one beats me to it.  


No need to hurry. It took me about three months to develop the current design, so another few weeks don't matter until it appears in the FAQ  ;).

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:31pm
Oh Thou Lord of the (St)rings, we people of the Forum hereby baptize (quite unilaterally) Your latest creation: "Teg's starfish sling".
Be Proud of It.
Amen.
Mauro.

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by LightSlinger on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:46pm
Amen!

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by GeneralMushroom on Jan 9th, 2013 at 9:15am
So I had a go at the newly dubbed Teg Starfish Sling, and it is quite possibly my new favourite!

Grips a tennis ball like a treat :)

My first serious go with natural cordage (Jute), and I've tapered down the release cord from 7 strands to 3 so it makes a mighty fine crack when used.

The pouch looks a little bit messy but I'm happy with how it turned out. Thanks for the awesome tutorial Teg :)
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Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by LightSlinger on Jan 9th, 2013 at 3:08pm

GeneralMushroom wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 9:15am:
So I had a go at the newly dubbed Teg Starfish Sling, and it is quite possibly my new favourite!

Grips a tennis ball like a treat :)

My first serious go with natural cordage (Jute), and I've tapered down the release cord from 7 strands to 3 so it makes a mighty fine crack when used.

The pouch looks a little bit messy but I'm happy with how it turned out. Thanks for the awesome tutorial Teg :)


I started on one last night!  It's even fun to make! (And quite the challenge I might add).  

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Teg on Jan 10th, 2013 at 7:03am

Mauro Fiorentini wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 1:31pm:
Oh Thou Lord of the (St)rings, we people of the Forum hereby baptize (quite unilaterally) Your latest creation: "Teg's starfish sling".
Be Proud of It.
Amen.
Mauro.


;D
I'm usually not a big user of internet slang phrases but now ROFL quite accurately describes my reaction. Thanks!


GeneralMushroom wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 9:15am:
So I had a go at the newly dubbed Teg Starfish Sling, and it is quite possibly my new favourite!


Wow, that was fast!  :o
Congratulation! You are most probably the third human being on this planet owing one  ;).
Have you had anywhere problems or couldn't follow the tutorial?


GeneralMushroom wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 9:15am:
Grips a tennis ball like a treat :)


And that's the biggest advantage and at the same time disadvantage of this design. The shape will hold quite everything very well but if you get the cupping too strong (or take too small stones) you won't have any longer a clean release.


LightSlinger wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 3:08pm:
I started on one last night!  It's even fun to make! (And quite the challenge I might add).  


To be honest, in every sling of this type I had to undo several knots as the spacings between the loops were not of the right size and therefore giving the pouch an asymmetric shape or a too strong cupping.

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by GeneralMushroom on Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:04am

Teg wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 7:03am:

GeneralMushroom wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 9:15am:
So I had a go at the newly dubbed Teg Starfish Sling, and it is quite possibly my new favourite!


Wow, that was fast!  :o
Congratulation! You are most probably the third human being on this planet owing one  ;).
Have you had anywhere problems or couldn't follow the tutorial?


My claim to fame ;)

The tutorial was spot on. No trouble at all. Very clear and concise. You were right about not needing the full 30m, I used between 24-26m total for a short sling with cords 60cm long.

I have yet to actually throw anything with it, only been sitting the projectile in the pouch and giving it a whirl, but I can tell it'll be good as this is the first sling I've made where tennis balls don't fall out when I try a helicopter build up :)

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by chucker-mike on Jan 10th, 2013 at 8:07pm
I am so fascinated by this sling.  I wish I had the time/patience to sit down and make one of these.  I have saved the tutorial on my laptop for some time in the future to attempt this project.  Beautiful job and great tutorial.  

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by lakeslinger on Jan 15th, 2013 at 8:44am
Wirklich eine tolle Schleuder, Teg! Ich habe das Tutorial bereits heruntergeladen und werde mich daran versuchen. Eine der schönsten Schleudern, die ich gesehen habe.

Translation:
Really a great sling, Teg! I already have downloaded the tutorial and will try it. One of the most beautiful slings, I´ve seen.

Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by blackfur2 on Feb 7th, 2013 at 6:52am
Just finished this will try it out later to day was easy to make with the tutorial thanks teg have been look look for sumthing new and found this :) , also am I doing the 6 strand braid right I do it under 2 over 1 under 1 over 2 is that the right way to do it ?? :/
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Title: Re: Tutorial: A Sling With a Knotted Pouch
Post by Teg on Feb 7th, 2013 at 8:59am

blackfur2 wrote on Feb 7th, 2013 at 6:52am:
Just finished this will try it out later to day was easy to make with the tutorial thanks teg have been look look for sumthing new and found this :) , also am I doing the 6 strand braid right I do it under 2 over 1 under 1 over 2 is that the right way to do it ?? :/


Glad to be of service!

If I understand it correctly you do something else than I do as a 6 strand round braid. First, there are many ways to make a "roundish" 6 strand braid. There is no "right" or "wrong" way. If it works, it works. The description of your braiding sounds to me like a way to make a "semiround" braid. I guess you have one flat side, while the other side is round. A nice thing to do if you want a  "gripmark" in a round cord, which you can feel but not (easily) see. I could not make out on the photo if you are exactly doing this. However, you can find a way to make a round braid in the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=186mcycMcA4

I actually work slightly different: I pass the cords above the standing end and not under it. E.g. I work 180 degree mirrored to this man. I think it's easier this way if you work with a core.

To put the difference between "round" and "semiround" 6 strand braid into few words: In a semiround braid you don't always "change layer" after passing one string. In a round braid after passing one string you "change layer".

And if you don't mind a little language rant:
My native language is not English. So:
- Please use punctuation like periods, comma and question marks.
- Please make complete sentences.
- Please mind orthography and grammar and don't use "slang". My dictionary does not know "misspelled" words.
All this points will help me to understand faster what you are trying to say and also to answer your questions faster and more precise.
I take time to anwer questions (for this one more than 20 minutes), so please take time to ask them.
If you are not good in languages or writing (e.g. dyslexia) please don't worry or take it personally. I will understand you one way or the other. But if you are better, then give it a go ;) !

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