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Message started by curious_aardvark on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:38pm

Title: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:38pm
For those of us who don't braid thought I'd start this thread up, plus I don't need the spambot sticky at the moment so got a spare slot :-)

If you don't know how to turn your favourite pouch template into a pdf - PM me and i'll tell you how or do it for you - whichever's easiest for you :-)

I chose pdf's for the simple reason it's a universal format and you can change the pouch size simply by changing printout size.

Okay I'll start with the 6 hole template I use most.
This should be printed out on A4 (letter if in the states or - probably - canada).
This will make a universal pouch capable of holding anything from a tennis ball on down to a handful of gravel.
Cut along the outer green lines and then cut out the green triangles.
Punch holes centrally in the end tabs and about 5mm in from the end.
Since almost no stress is placed on the end of the hole (if you follow my attachment method), you could punch the holes closer to the end of the tabs if you wished. But I generally go for around 5mm.

When attaching cords the middle tab is at the back and the two outer tabs go 2nd and third one end and the other way round at the other. this stops the pouch from listing to one side and holds it flat when hanging down.
To attach cords, form a loop in the end of the cord (double cord over and tie a simple overhand knot), push loop through from the back. feed the rest of the cord through the loop and then work the loop around the sides of the tabs. And pull tight.
This attachment is the strongest way to attach cord to leather. This is because there is no stress placed on the hole itself, the leather is held by 2 cords. Cannot tear and the loops hold the pouch centrally and prevent listing or twisting.
Once I've tied my loop knots I cut the spare end of the cord short and melt it back into the body of the knot itself. Just looks neater.

If you print it out on a5 - it'll be the ideal size for golfballs :-)
I'm planning on laminating a couple of sheets of these to give me much more durable templates. But I usually print out on paper, cut round and use a pritt stick for temporary attachment to the leather.
With a more rigid laminated template I think I can just hold it to the leather and draw round with a pencil.
See next post for pics :-)

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=CA-6-hole-sling-pouch-template.pdf (3 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:04pm
Pouch attached to cords below.
You can use whipped loops if you wish. However the knots add weight to the ends of the pouch that help it open up on release and pretty much eliminates the issue of missile hitting the release cord.

Well I've never had that happen with one of my slings and it seems to be a common problem with braided slings - so draw your own conclusions :-)

You can use longer attachment loops than I've used here (makes it much easier), it doesn't look quite as neat, but works at least as well †[smiley=thumbsup.gif]


The picture also clearly illustrates how the outer tabs are alternately crossed on opposite ends of the pouch.

If you don't have leather this pouch and attachment method is highly suitable for any other fairly strong material. Again, because very little stress is placed on the attachment holes themselves and the material is 3 layers deep at atachment point, even single ply denim will make a durable, long lasting pouch.
I suspect that a single layer of denim, lined with ducttape would last a helluva long time :-)
6holepouch_1024x514.jpg (105 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Rofriedrich on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:16pm
Great idea!

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by alex knapp on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:48pm
totally. ill have to post my own fav pattern.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Dan on Aug 8th, 2012 at 2:41pm
Can I use the results of this thread for the Slinger's Guide?

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 9th, 2012 at 7:39am
of course.

you can use anything on the site, Including the articles and guides section.
No point duplicating something that's already been done.

Got another little pouch template to post. just a simple little 4 tab job that's brilliant for smaller pouched slings and long distance golf ball slings.

But the more we can get here the better really :-)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by farmerdave on Aug 10th, 2012 at 3:54pm
Great pouch, and great thread- I'll be checking often and posting if I have any flashes of genius. I've only really played with shaped pouches a little, and had problems with rocks (jagged ones, mostly, cause that's all I had) hanging up so they throw to the left (I'm righty, sidearm, sort of). Is that an ammo-specific problem, or have others experienced that with their shaped pouches and nice, round ammo? My pouches are usually nearly flat, and work well with the lame rocks I have here, not so much with better ammo. I guess I have to make some ammo, anyway, so I can try that cool looking pouch  :)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by MŰn Slinger on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:04am
I have only just started making slings, but wondered if anyone would be interested if I made a pattern for any of the slings below? Some of them are based on designs I have seen here, some are an amalgam of ideas. There are better individual photos in the 'photos...' thread. The shape, method of attaching the cords, the cords and finger loops vary between designs.

I have used an old sewing machine to make most of them, but they could all be hand sewn with an awl.




Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Dan on Aug 11th, 2012 at 3:53pm

MŰn Slinger wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:04am:
I have only just started making slings, but wondered if anyone would be interested if I made a pattern for any of the slings below? Some of them are based on designs I have seen here, some are an amalgam of ideas. There are better individual photos in the 'photos...' thread. The shape, method of attaching the cords, the cords and finger loops vary between designs.

I have used an old sewing machine to make most of them, but they could all be hand sewn with an awl.





Yes.  :)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by MŰn Slinger on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:36am
Here is a first stab at making a pattern for the sewn/shaped sling, which I call a 'boat sling' since it looks a bit like one (or maybe 'boat pouch' would be more accurate). This one is perfect for a tennis ball. It is sling labelled 'D' on the photograph above.

The leather I have used has been around 2.5-3mm thick, and I have used both soft leather and stiffer oiled leather. The soft leather holds the stone/ball more easily, but the stiffer one flicks open more easily. Both work well.

It is easiest to cut the leather curve with a generous overcut, then sew together, then trim the edge close to the stitching. I also do all of the stitching before punching the holes for the cords. I use a 4mm punch.

It is important to 'oversew' at the ends of each curved line, where the stitching meets the central uncut part. This means there will be an even curve to the underside, without gaps showing in the centre.

The sewing could be done by hand, using a leather needle and waxed thread, and doubling back, or using an awl to make a lockstitch. I use a vintage handcrank sewing machine, which you can pick up for almost the same price as a new awl (£15-25 in the UK). I like the Pfaff 30 or Singer 201, but pretty well any pre-1970 machine will sew leather. I don't even use the crank most of the time, just turn the flywheel by hand. The thread is bonded nylon, which is very strong and used in tents, briefcases etc.

This is the sling.



The attached pdf should print at the right size on A4. I have put a couple of major dimensions in so you can check on the size.


http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=boat_sling_1_001.pdf (21 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Thomas on Aug 13th, 2012 at 1:16pm
Very nice! I like the offset connectors.

Tom

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by MŰn Slinger on Aug 13th, 2012 at 3:54pm

Thomas wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 1:16pm:
Very nice! I like the offset connectors.

Tom


Thanks  :)

I was playing with the paper pattern and reckon it would work without any stitching, just held together with cord through the two holes.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 13th, 2012 at 6:26pm
you know that boat sling template would probably work at least as well without stitching. Just bring the holes over one another instead of facing, and attach with a loop. That would make an interesting pouch I reckon.
If you trim the corners of the hole tabs so they are at an angle and not square. The loop should get a great grip.

I'll have a play. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

As far as stitching goes. You can make the holes with the smallest setting on †a standard hole punch.


You only need a few bits of kit to make leather pouched slings - the hole punch is probably the most important.

I have an antique one I picked up from an 'antiques' stall many years ago. It's tough enough that I can put serious squeeze on without bending the handles.
Which I did with the cheaper one I got recently from lidl, bend the handles, that is. It was included in an eyelet kit I bought.  
I probably don't need to squeeze as hard - but it's much easier using a tool that doesn't care how hard you squeeze. The one in the picture above - for example - looks like I could bend the handles one handed. †

If I were going to buy one I'd probably pay a few extra sheckels and get one of these:




Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 13th, 2012 at 7:03pm
After a quick play with a paper template and a stapler.

Yep this will definitely work without stitches and with cords attached with loops †[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Punch 4 holes, no stitching, it's a great size for a general purpose pouch too.

If it hasn't got a name I'd like to call it the 'Butterfly Template'
paperboatpouch_805x768.jpg (71 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by MŰn Slinger on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:27pm
I made a stitchless butterfly pouch today, and it seems to work very well. This leather is quite stiff compared to the other stuff I have been using. I think 'butterfly' suits better than 'boat', especially since it now has holes in it †;D

If the cuts are made perfectly (mine weren't) the two edges should butt against each other. I made the holes after crossing the lugs/ears over. It is quite tricky to get the curved cuts to meet neatly in the middle, and next time I will punch a small hole in the angle, as a 'stop'.









I think have seen a similar pattern on here, called an 'H' pouch - ring any bells?

Regarding punches, for making a run of straight holes I was thinking of getting one of these:



As I enjoy punching things! But wouldn't work well on a curved edge.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by MŰn Slinger on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:41pm
I have had a couple more slings with a tennis ball, and think I will shave a couple of mm off the sides to make the pouch a bit smaller, since the overall size is now larger than intended.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:00pm
lol Snap.

Just cut out a butterfly and attached a set of cords. I used a fairly soft suede type leather.
I'd say that suits the butterfly template a little better than a stiffer leather might.
Also a pic of the butterfly and a 6 hole side by side.

This is yet another advantage of using a loop attachment. You can swap cord sets between different pouches if you can't be arsed to make another cord set †;)

You ought to try it mon slinger. Also you'll notice I alternated overlaps with the butterflies wings. You used the same overlap for both ends. Coupled with the single cord attachment you ended up with a somewhat lopsided sling.
Might give you more lateral spin in the missile.
6holeandbutterflywithcords_494x768.jpg (70 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by MŰn Slinger on Aug 14th, 2012 at 3:46pm
Thanks for the tips  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I have made the holes larger to accommodate the loop, and overlapped the ends alternately.




Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 14th, 2012 at 4:26pm
Nice  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Quick too  ;)

So next - go find something to sling and try out both ways of attaching to pouch and see if there is any noticeable difference.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by archanetinker on Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:31am
Mon Slinger- the four hole gang punch is an excellent tool choice for pre-punching stitch holes in leather, it's what I use.  The punch I have however, isn't quite as fancy and is more akin to a dinner fork on steroids... basically, it's a thin, sharp chisel with evenly spaced square notches cut out of the edge.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 18th, 2012 at 9:38am
Here's the cap paul sling pouch pdf.
Again print out on a4 for a tennis ball sized pouch and a5 for golfball :-) †

Link to updated pdf for cap paul

Link to original thread

Oh yeah and I've taken the butterfly pouch sling for a walk last couple of days. Great general purpose pouch. Tried out all manner of different size and shape rocks - no problem with any of them. Even slung a few multiple missile shots.
it's not quite as good as the cap paul or six hole for that - but still pretty good †[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

To make the butterfly illustrated above - I actually sellotaped the paper cutout to the leather before cutting it out. Worked surprisingly well.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=cap_paul_sling_pouch_template_001.pdf (79 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Dan on Oct 5th, 2012 at 11:31am
Does anyone have anymore 'signature' pouch designs that you think would complement The Guide?

I'll probably copy the ones in this thread in within the next week or so and I wanted to see if anyone else had any other designs they'd be willing to share.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Brett on Oct 5th, 2012 at 3:55pm
I made one of the above mentioned butterfly slings this week - I agree - it's a nice sling.

Brett D in STL

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Oct 7th, 2012 at 6:51am
well between the 6 hole and the butterfly (now my new standard) you don't need anything else.

Once you have something that works - why keep looking for other stuff :-)

Different world to braiding where there are pretty much always issues with every design. Get a good leather pouch, attach cords - sling works perfect every time.

Plus after playing with davids flat pouch slings - I will NEVER use anything but †a shaped pouch again. † ;D
First time in my slinging 'career' I've ever had release issues. Bloody things are a nightmare.

Rather than deluging people with a variety of different pouches - just stick to one or two that are known to work.

The six hole is great for denim of other thinner/weaker material pouches. And the butterfly is perfect for leather.

Each can be made any size. Just covers the whole gamut.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by squirrelslinger on Oct 11th, 2012 at 8:07pm
can you guys handle a docx or image file? aint gonna risk a virus on windows, and cannot communicate between my windows and linuix computers. linuix does have a pdf creater thought...

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by squirrelslinger on Oct 11th, 2012 at 8:08pm
also not sure how to post an image from word by cutting it out...

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Oct 13th, 2012 at 7:33am
just attach file to email and send to: info@slinging.org

Any format :-)

Plus after slingbadgers total failure to send me an attachment -  I'd like to see if it gets through :-)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by jax on Dec 24th, 2012 at 9:51am
Six hole template.
six-hole-template-300dpi_001_003.jpg (122 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by jax on Dec 24th, 2012 at 9:52am
Scale it down to about 4" x 8".

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by timu on Dec 24th, 2012 at 12:07pm

Dan wrote on Oct 5th, 2012 at 11:31am:
Does anyone have anymore 'signature' pouch designs that you think would complement The Guide?

I'll probably copy the ones in this thread in within the next week or so and I wanted to see if anyone else had any other designs they'd be willing to share.


You should try the guy from slingmoore.com. I made one it worked great

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by squirrelslinger on Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:34pm
Well... I am thinking..... maybe It would be nice to create some sort of a leather netted pouch, as in a sort of... let me draw it out. Ill post in the morn....

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by lakeslinger on Jan 17th, 2013 at 4:28am
Here`s a type of cupped leather pouch that`s made of one piece of leather. The same photo is in the picture thread on page 216. It looks a bit like Captain Paul`s design.

+  it needs no rivets and has only one leather to leather attachment point instead of four

-   a wider piece of leather is needed (compared to CP`s)

I call it the airplane or goose. You`ll understand the name when you see the template :o
34-cupped-leather-pouch-1-piece_001.jpg (145 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by lakeslinger on Jan 17th, 2013 at 4:30am
PDF-template attached
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=ptemplate.pdf (170 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by lakeslinger on Jan 17th, 2013 at 4:43am
Assembly:

Cut out the pouch,
use a hole puncher to make six holes where indicated,
fold part 2 onto part 4,
then overlap the outer parts 1 and 3 with part 2 (make sure that part 2 is on the inside of the pouch).
Tie 1,2 and 3 together as described by curious_aardvark in the first post of this thread. This will be the retention side. When you watch the pouch from the retention side (ammo side on the top, backside on the bottom) the margins of the three layers of tied-together leather should form an head-down "U".
Attach the release cord on the remaining hole by using the same attachment method.
Now you only have to make a finger loop and release knot and you`re done.

Hope you can follow these instructions despite my bad English.
ptemplate.jpg (176 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 10th, 2013 at 6:25pm
Wow, that's one wide pouch!
I love just a piece of leather with a small triangle cut out...
-Squirrel
Il post tomm

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Apr 5th, 2013 at 11:44am
lol that goose is one weird looking - but clever - design :thumb:

What's the reason behind the asymmetry ? ie: why have one side shorter than the other ?

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Steven on May 18th, 2014 at 9:11am
Miniature Knock Off Aussie Pouch

Two flat straps 1/2 in by 2-1/2 in .. poke holes in the strap† ends ... tie one end to a cord. take the free end of the† strap that is on the bottom and move it to the top ...align† holes and fasten the other cord ... good for 2 oz. sinkers and marble sized stones..

I make a similar three strap version with 3/8 in wide material.... Holes are punched in the strap ends and the straps are stacked...One end is secured with a cord...The middle strap stays in the middle, the top and bottom straps will swap position† on the unsecured end of the pouch (top to bottom, bottom to top)... align the holes .. secure with the other cord ... works good ... natural cup for flinging lead football sinkers


Here is a tennis ball sized two strap...Straps are 1 inch by 8 inches ...

PS works well with leather straps that are the slightest bit stiff.
TwobyEight.jpg (60 KB | )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Loki on May 20th, 2014 at 7:39am
CA, those pouches look familiar especially with alligator. Did ya miss me? And I thought you liked the lockstitched version?

Loki

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Jun 10th, 2014 at 1:43pm
lol - well as I never saw my alligator pouch, in the raw, as it were. I never really thought what template it came from.
nearly 8 years ago now !
I can barely remember what i did yesterday let alone 7 years ago :-)

I can see it would be something like the butterfly template. :thumb:

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Oxnate on Aug 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm

MŰn Slinger wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 2:27pm:
I made a stitchless butterfly pouch today, and it seems to work very well. This leather is quite stiff compared to the other stuff I have been using. I think 'butterfly' suits better than 'boat', especially since it now has holes in it †;D

If the cuts are made perfectly (mine weren't) the two edges should butt against each other. I made the holes after crossing the lugs/ears over. It is quite tricky to get the curved cuts to meet neatly in the middle, and next time I will punch a small hole in the angle, as a 'stop'.




As I enjoy punching things! But wouldn't work well on a curved edge.


I did two new things today.  A week ago, I gave my first successful sling away to my nephew.  Today, I made myself a new one based on the pattern above which is fairly similar to what I had figured out on my own, but with deeper cuts.  It's also a bit smaller as I only had so much leather to work with.  It turned out too small and too deep for tennis balls, but just perfect for golf balls.

I also found a good place to really let loose.  500+ yards in front of me plus over 200 yards of room in any other direction so I'd really have to screw up to hurt someone/something.  So, I finally got to take out my ball bearings.  These are golf ball sized spheres of solid steel, they weigh quite a bit more than the tennis balls I've been practicing with so I haven't used them for fear of hitting someone/something. (I live in a large metro area)

But today, I got to use them both.  Tried the golf balls first.  Hadn't used them either for the same fear as above but with less chance of killing someone.  I couldn't get the timing down and they didn't go far.  So I pulled out the ball bearings instead and...

OWW!

Just about tore the first knuckle off my finger.  The bearing got stuck in the slot between the two strips of leather and didn't want to come out of the deep pocket I'd made.  Just lucky I didn't hit my leg or worse.

Lesson learned.   8-)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by PikŚru on Aug 16th, 2014 at 11:51pm
Oxnate, nice work.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Xenovora on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:44pm
I wonder if anyone has new leather pouch templates? Its been over a year since the last post here and I'm looking for leather pouches since I got a bag of scrap leather next to me. I like the butterfly/boat one, and I've also used a 'flat' leather pouch too. Those super cup ones don't appeal to me too often, though I'm sure they work nicely. Maybe someone else can post here showing some new leather pouch designs soon. :)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Blowgunman123 on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:54pm
Only one that i use typically is found in this tutorial: http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/howtos/leather2.htm works for most things very well, from rocks to tennis balls. :)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Xenovora on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:59pm
I have two like the ones in that link heh. Do you think if I cut a sliver down the middle, or put a fairly decent sized hole in the center that it would cup my large ammo better? (I know I'd lose the ability to fire small ammo though.) I've had the issue of losing tennis balls on the wind up with this style somehow before I'm ready to release which is why I ask. Though I didn't oil it and try to 'shape' the leather around a tennis ball, so its just a flat pouch pretty much.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Blowgunman123 on Sep 7th, 2015 at 6:53pm
Lol, and I molded one and I had the same problem with the ball falling out, after thinking about it, I would just use a Aussie style split pouch out of leather, I typically use old backpack straps but leather should work fine. If you go into the marketplace I think it is you'll find an old topic on the slings he used to give away for free, he was a great guy from what I've heard although he passed sadly a few years ago. :(

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Tomas on Nov 22nd, 2015 at 7:00am
I've got one of those punches and they do work quite well. A cool trick to do with it is to put it in a drill press and punch your holes that way. It is much more consistent that hammering away and its quicker.
Originally I got the idea from using a rivet press. I use it for leather stamping as well:)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by LouisH on Dec 16th, 2016 at 9:03am
Do you have somes flat pouches templates i just cant seem to be good with cupped pouch

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Dec 18th, 2016 at 3:55pm
flat pouches are dangerous, stuff comes out sideways.
Almost as bad as split pouch.

So, no I don't use them.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Dec 19th, 2016 at 4:52am
It's funny because I haven't had any problems with flat pouches or split. My flat pouch is a pretty large former slingshot pouch and it's worked great.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by SlingerDave on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:30pm
All my leather slings are cut or wet-formed to make them cupped. A flat pouch is picky because it needs equal weight on either side of the pouch or else it is unstable.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Toby on Feb 2nd, 2017 at 1:07pm
I just made two pouches. The red one looks very promising to me.
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by curious_aardvark on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:20am
That's pretty neat. :thumb:

My only comment would be that it looks like it wastes a lot of leather. And would be awkward to get more than one from a smallish piece of leather.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by JudoP on Feb 10th, 2017 at 5:56pm
Just tried the 6 holer with duct tape covered paper template. Seems to work really well, should be even better when my leather finally arrives... Duct tape layers seem to be quite rigid and not like changing shape too much- I feel like I might break the pouch if I accidentally sit on it.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Toby on Feb 11th, 2017 at 4:47am

Curious Aardvark wrote on Feb 9th, 2017 at 10:20am:
That's pretty neat. :thumb:

My only comment would be that it looks like it wastes a lot of leather. And would be awkward to get more than one from a smallish piece of leather.


Yes i had somewhat a problem finding a leatherpiece for it. But it could be optimized for that. Thankfully i got this one as a dwg. drawing file.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by JudoP on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 5:22pm
I've been making a few leather pouch slings recently.

Funnily enough I find pouches with 'flat' connections to the cords to not be stable enough, at least with my leather. They tend to flex and drop stones out the side (by flat I mean that the cords connect to horizontal layers of leather).

One design that I found reliable above all else was the seatbelt sling design (which you can make with leather too). This has a very stable (not horizontal, vertical) connection to the cords.

The way I make them now is to create the classic seatbelt style 'M' fold, but instead of threading a cord through the middle and whipping round. I punch holes through all 4 layers, insert eylets (at least on the outside holes) then attach cords/braid through the holes.

This seems to have the same stability of the seatbelt sling but allows you take it apart or swap cords if needed. I appreciate this since I've had one seatbelt sling fail on me (knot pulled out of the pouch) and one where the whipping started to unwrap (but I then lost).

The sling can be made easily from a rectangle of leather 6cm x 14cm (if you like, you can thin the middle, It gives a slightly more streamlined shape). The eyelets probably aren't necessary if you have strong leather, it looks nice though, and this design probably puts more stress on the holes than other designs.

I'll get up a picture at some point of it and the template.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by JudoP on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 6:02pm
Here we are.
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Paracord+leather.jpg (185 KB | 86 )

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by walter on Jul 22nd, 2017 at 8:23pm
Like that design JudoP.  Good work  :)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 4:32am
I might have to have a go myself at that...

Nice work :D

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Drakolith on Jul 23rd, 2017 at 2:33pm
That sling looks really sleek. I might make one myself.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 3:48pm
Working on my version now. I'll have pictures up soon but it may take a while...

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:13am
Wasn't sure whether to put these up here or elsewhere on the forum but I guess here will do. I made the cords from serving string usually used on bow strings just because it's super strong, super light and it's black which went nicely with the scrap black leather I had at hand. Think of this now as a tactical sling :D It's a really nice pouch design and was really easy to make. If I didn't need to add strands together to make the cords thick enough, it would have taken about 5 minutes to make the whole sling. I've got a simple leather loop for retention and then a bead for the release because the cord is that thin it's impossible to hold onto otherwise. Thinking about it though I might swap it out for a leather tab as that won't hit quite as hard on the return :D I'll probably want to make more in this style in the future but maybe with paracord instead to really speed up the process.
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Curious Aardvark on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:30am
stuff will probbaly come out sideways and tying the cords on like that also won't hold it terribly level.
Thin cord and a big heavy retention beady thing. Hmm, rather you then me :-) That's going to be whipping around looking for something to smack into.

But hey, suck it and see :-)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:48am
Already changed the bead out for a leather tab which is much better. I've done some testing inside with a sock ball and it's impossible to say what it's like over any sort of distance but it's feeling pretty good so far. It cups the ammo really well actually; I put a rock in just to see how it holds and it wasn't going anywhere. I think it should work well at least as far as I can see.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by JudoP on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:04am
Looking good Kick, let me know if you have any suggestions for after testing.

Not sure if you know this already, but AFAIK seatbelt style slings generally take the rock on the other side of the pouch (so the central ridge of the pouch connection is facing up (see my pic earlier). Should work pretty decently either way though.

My only worry with the sling itself is the cord might tear the leather holes out since they are quite thin and there are no eyelets.

You should try one of these out CA- they are much safer†than they look. It's my new favourite leather pouch design now.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 11:34am
I did notice that but I've found (for whatever reason) it actually holds it better this way round. Not sure if that's just how mine turned out or if it's a general thing. I'll try both ways when testing. The cords tearing out is a bit of a worry but I'm thinking smaller rocks and tennis balls would work best for this so shouldn't put a lot of strain on it. Hopefully it will last a fair amount of time. I made sure to leave a decent amount of leather on the inside of the loop so it will at least take a while to break.

C_A just hates flat pouches :D I've yet to have more than a handful of instances of ammo slipping out of a flat or split pouch and, up until recently really, they have been what I've used exclusively and it just hasn't been an issue for me at all. My first sling and the sling I've used the most has an old slingshot pouch that's 3cm wide (just under in fact) and I've had very very few instances of the ammo slipping out early. If the stone (which is what I use for it) comes out early it just means I didn't place it in right.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by JudoP on Aug 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm
Well, whatever works best I guess! For these slings I've almost never experienced drops, no matter what side I've used. I do almost always use the ridge up side now though, as it seems to create a more shaped pouch which just looks more appropriate.

I've made a few (unintentionally narrow) woven flat pouches which turned out surprisingly safe considering how they look, but I'm sure there's better examples out there which are wider/longer.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Curious Aardvark on Aug 14th, 2017 at 8:11am
yeah flat pouches and split pouches - are just dangerous :-)

Watched far too many rocks going the wrong way at slinging competitions to trust any of them.
And those are people who supposedly know what they are doing. You see quite a lot of doging out of the way at balearic competitions.
Stones coming out sideways or simply going straight through the middle.
One guy this year nearly took the judges table out - twice !
Infact I think out of 10 shots, only about 4 went forward.

So they're not something I'll ever recommend to beginners - or anyone lol

Tradition is all well and good - but I'd rather use slings guarenteed to only ever let the stone go when you release the release cord.
My goal is to get more people slinging - not injured  ;)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by JudoP on Oct 30th, 2017 at 4:30am

Curious Aardvark wrote on Aug 14th, 2017 at 8:11am:
yeah flat pouches and split pouches - are just dangerous :-)

Watched far too many rocks going the wrong way at slinging competitions to trust any of them.
And those are people who supposedly know what they are doing. You see quite a lot of doging out of the way at balearic competitions.
Stones coming out sideways or simply going straight through the middle.
One guy this year nearly took the judges table out - twice !
Infact I think out of 10 shots, only about 4 went forward.

So they're not something I'll ever recommend to beginners - or anyone lol

Tradition is all well and good - but I'd rather use slings guarenteed to only ever let the stone go when you release the release cord.
My goal is to get more people slinging - not injured† ;)



That's crazy that that happens at balearics competitions!

Personally, although some splits I've made have been useless, I find a well made balearic sling with rocks of appropriate size for the pouch to be very reliable. Making the split quite thick and fortifying with leather certainly helps too- it allows you to even throw quite small stones without them slipping through.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Curious Aardvark on Apr 10th, 2018 at 7:10am
Out of the kindness of his heart nwmanitou has created a really nice and clean cap paul template.
Which I have attached to this post for your use :-)

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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 21st, 2018 at 8:47am
Presenting the NOOC 6-point tennis ball pouch version 0.2
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Jun 21st, 2018 at 9:20am
Looks good. The only thing I'd say is that I'm not a fan of holes in the pouch. I've had rocks snag in them and rip the pouch wide open. Obviously if you use tennis balls or properly smooth stones it's no problem but I always find them... untrustworthy.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 21st, 2018 at 11:05am

Kick wrote on Jun 21st, 2018 at 9:20am:
Looks good. The only thing I'd say is that I'm not a fan of holes in the pouch. I've had rocks snag in them and rip the pouch wide open. Obviously if you use tennis balls or properly smooth stones it's no problem but I always find them... untrustworthy.


That's fair.  This pouch has a fairly aggressive pocket, and I could see a how a really rough rock might catch in the gaps between fingers.  For throwing stones or clay bullets, I would prefer something that isn't quite so deep, but (by design) it fits a tennis ball really well.

These are really easy to cut out of thin leather or suede (I like to use medical shears), so it's easy to make another one if it does wear out or tear, and because of the way the fingers interlace, there is almost no wasted leather if you cut carefully.

If your concern is the holes in the ends of the fingers where the cords attach, the important thing is to use a punch to get a clean, circular hole so it won't tear easily. I have had some 6-point slings wear out at the end of the finger and rip open, but only after more than a year of use, and even then it was still attached at two other points and would have continued to work for a little while. Plus, I was able to fix it just by adding some whipping around the ends. 

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by kicktheotter on Jun 21st, 2018 at 11:08am
I do definitely like the look of it and looks good for tennis balls I'm just prejudiced :D

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Curious Aardvark on Jun 28th, 2018 at 5:18pm
6 hole pouches are good for very thin or weak material - not sure why you've attached cords the way you have.

But then I don't like permamently attached cords anyway. I wear out far too many release cords for that to be of any practical use to me :-)

so apart from the holes in the pouch - and I'm with otter on that - why's it better than the standard:

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?action=downloadfile;file=CA%2D6%2Dhole%2Dsling%2Dpouch%2Dtemplate%2Epdf

If you can't be arsed to make double-denim, the 6 hole will make  a pretty decent single ply denim pouch. useful if you're making a lot.

That said the butterfly pouch is almost as good and quicker to make. 

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 28th, 2018 at 10:56pm
@CA my preferred attachment is an intermediate loop so I can easily change the cords. I was just experimenting with some other ideas in thie photos above, but you can attach them however you like.
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 28th, 2018 at 11:03pm
I actually was playing with a loose attach point on one side of the pouch to see if it would hold a larger ball too, but it was really tailored for a tennis ball, and thatís how it works best. I wasnít happy with how the loose fingers worked out, so Iíll probably redo it. I also prefer the waxed cotton cord over the leather cordage.
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Curious Aardvark on Jun 29th, 2018 at 1:32pm
yeah Ive got  a sling made of that braided leather cord. It's not great.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Drakolith on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:47pm
Out of curiosity, why is leather cordage not great? Iíve never used it, just curious.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 30th, 2018 at 10:57pm

Drakolith wrote on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:47pm:
Out of curiosity, why is leather cordage not great? Iíve never used it, just curious.


Itís not terrible, actually. The 4-strand round braid leather shown above is a little springy for my tastes compared to the exact same braid in cotton.  The cotton is also lighter and more flexible, but I have made several two-strand twisted leather cords that work just fine on other slings.  In fact I wear a sling with a leather cord around my neck every day, and I like using that sling a lot... I just think I like the 4-strand cotton a little better. So far, I have tried jute, leather, paracord, cotton, and hemp. Right now itís a toss up between hemp and waxed cotton for my favorite cordage. I would need to make a few more hemp slings before I could decide.   

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 30th, 2018 at 11:21pm
Hereís the leather one I carry everywhere. The whipping is a field repair. The pouch wore out before the cords after well over a year of almost daily use. Iím not sure if cotton will hold up as well as this leather cord, but I do really like the way the cotton cords behave.
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Drakolith on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:36pm
That does look like a good edc sling, how do you keep it from riding up and choking you? With a large loop like that I would think it would slip often. Also, just curious, are those rubber bands you used for the whipping?

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jul 5th, 2018 at 11:12am

Drakolith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:36pm:
That does look like a good edc sling, how do you keep it from riding up and choking you? With a large loop like that I would think it would slip often. Also, just curious, are those rubber bands you used for the whipping?

You are interpreting the photo incorrectly.
Itís hard to tell from the photo, but it doesnít slip at all. The wrist loop fishes through the leather of the 6-point sling and doesnít go anywhere because itís held in place between the leather fingers of the sling. It takes several seconds to undo it, so thereís no quick draw from concealment (which would be silly) , but it hangs comfortably around my neck under my shirt. The whipping is just nylon string from the insides of paracord. It was a field expedient fix, but definitely not rubber bands :)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Drakolith on Jul 5th, 2018 at 2:12pm
Ah, okay, thanks.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jul 6th, 2018 at 9:03am
Hereís a slightly better view. Note that this only works because I used a wrist loop instead of a finger loop.
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Curious Aardvark on Jul 6th, 2018 at 10:01am
leather cord tends to wear and break quite easily - certainly compared to paracord.

First sling I ever made, was made with leather cord and a denim pouch. the cord broke before the pouch :-)

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by The Montanan Slinger on Jul 6th, 2018 at 1:43pm
I've never really trusted the idea of leather cord. Obviously it seems to work for some. I'd rather go with synthetic or plant cord any day though.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jul 6th, 2018 at 2:31pm
Iím coming around to the same opinion. This was one of my earliest practical designs and has given me more than a year of good use though, so I wonít say leather is a bad choice, even if natural fibers may be better for durability.  Leather is more comfortable to wear around the neck than jute and it stays pretty clean. Cotton or hemp might be ok, but I havenít tried wearing them for EDC, and I would have to test it.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Flint Austone on Jul 31st, 2018 at 3:06pm
I posted a template in my thread, but it belongs here as well.
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Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by joe_meadmaker on Apr 15th, 2019 at 10:20pm
Iíve done some more testing with this pouch design and decided to post it here.† The idea for this pouch came about because most of the slings I make are braided.† But I wanted to avoid having to stitch all the way around the pouch when adding leather, etc.† Haven't done a woven pouch yet, but that will come someday :)

I currently have two slings with this pouch style.† Making the pouch is pretty simple.† Itís basically shaped similar to an X or a cross with a fat middle.† Then the arms are folded around the two sides of the split pouch and attached.† Iíve done one with rivets and the other was sewn on.† The riveted one took slightly less time, but both methods were quick.

Here are the layouts of the basic measurements for each of the pouches along with the actual sling.† I didnít go into too much detail with the measurements because the size will change based on the length of the pouch and diameter of the cords.

Green leather on linen sling:




Yellow leather on hemp sling:




There was an initial problem with the first sling pictured.† The split pouch itself is larger than the projectiles I regularly use.† The sides of the split pouch are about 7.5 in (19 cm) long.† When making the sling I wasnít concerned about this because I always intended to fill in the pouch in with something.† The problem came about because when slinging, the projectile isnít supported by the cords of the split pouch.† It is supported entirely by the leather.† So after a throw I would find that the two connection points of the leather on each side of the split pouch were sliding toward each other.† I hope that explanation isnít too confusing.† I fixed the problem by removing the leather and re-attaching it with some contact cement where the leather wraps around the cordage.† I put the rivets back in too so there is some extra support.

After seeing this problem, I would recommend that the split pouch still be made to fit the intended ammunition, and the leather attached as additional support.† If the leather will act as the main support of the projectile, it may need something additional to adhere it to the sling.† As I did with contact cement.

Iíve done a couple dozen throws with the newly attached pouch and it now holds in place well.† The yellow leather on the hemp sling has always worked well.† It's seems like a good fit just being sewn on.† The stitching does not go through the hemp.† Iím planning to do some other variations with this pouch and see what results I get.† I think itís a good potential design if you would like to quickly fill in a split pouch.† One of the drawbacks is there are gaps between the leather (or whatever youíre using) and the cordage.† So if youíre using projectiles that may get caught in the gaps, this style wonít be the best option.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Slingky on Aug 6th, 2019 at 9:21pm

MŰn Slinger wrote on Aug 13th, 2012 at 8:36am:
Here is a first stab at making a pattern for the sewn/shaped sling, which I call a 'boat sling' since it looks a bit like one


Great job - that looks like a cool design! I like how it cups.

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by cram on Aug 7th, 2019 at 5:00am
@ Slingky

I'm pretty sure he's not active anymore

Title: Re: PDF leather pouch templates
Post by Curious Aardvark on Aug 7th, 2019 at 6:23am
mon slingers not been around for a while.

people come an go :-)

Interesting looking pouch joe :thumb:

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