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Message started by Masiakasaurus on Jul 6th, 2012 at 6:34pm

Title: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 6th, 2012 at 6:34pm
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ten_thousand.png
Saying 'what kind of idiot doesn't know about the Yellowstone supervolcano' is so much more boring than telling someone about the Yellowstone supervolcano for the first time.

Here's a thread to ask any kind of slinging related question. It can involve sling making, throwing, finding materials, etc. If the answer is out there and you can't find a thread about it, someone will be happy to answer your question on here. :) The purpose is to cut down on the number of duplicate threads on the forum by concentrating thre questions that don't involve discussion or debate into one place. Go on, be one of today's lucky few. :D Before you ask, check to see if there is already an answer here.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Gslinger5 on Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:44am
Well, this is a small question. It is related to slinging in some way, but somewhere along the lines of general knowledge as well. I was wondering, how the heck do I go about making that "round braid" explained on this How-to article? I've been having some trouble doing it and if someone can find a video on the internet about doing it, I'd be most grateful. I've tried Googling it, but nothing came around for 3-strand braiding, only 4-strand. Anyway, just wondering that...I'll await your answers.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by xxkid123 on Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:34pm
That's a tricky one, but chances are you are getting the 'round braid'. Note that you technically can't make a 'round braid' with a three strand braid. What you can do is make one braid rounder, and another one thin and flat.

I think it's easier to explain how to do a flat braid first, since it's a lot more obvious. The best way to learn this is to use something flat, like a ribbon, and tie a three strand braid. When you're doing it, your goal is to keep all ribbons as flat as possible. You'll find that the tighter you pull, the less flat it is. It might look like this



You can see how all the cords are just warped and shifted sideways, rather than tightly braided together. When braiding, you should be moving the outside strand in by sliding it sideways and keeping everything flat- no folds.

On the other hand, a round braid can be much tighter, and when braiding it should be up, bend/fold in.

I feel like this is very confusing, and I'll try to get a video up sometime.  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Donnerschlag on Jul 12th, 2012 at 1:45pm
What's a sling? Is it that type of informal relationship that's longer than a one-night stand?  :-/

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 12th, 2012 at 2:05pm

Donnerschlag wrote on Jul 12th, 2012 at 1:45pm:
What's a sling? Is it that type of informal relationship that's longer than a one-night stand?  :-/

No, it's a wide strap used to hold a gun to a baby and throw them both for long distances. :P

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Donnerschlag on Jul 13th, 2012 at 3:07am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Jul 12th, 2012 at 2:05pm:

Donnerschlag wrote on Jul 12th, 2012 at 1:45pm:
What's a sling? Is it that type of informal relationship that's longer than a one-night stand?  :-/

No, it's a wide strap used to hold a gun to a baby and throw them both for long distances. :P

I just tried it, and it didn't work. You owe me a new CX4. :P

Title: Please excuse my stupity but what is a TSS Sling ?
Post by wll on Jul 16th, 2012 at 11:13am
I have gone on line and have found nothing, except the one guy who used one, but he does not explain what it is.

The Only TSS is a sling for shotguns called "Total Shotgun Sling", and that is not what you guys are talking about.


wll

Title: Re: Please excuse my stupity but what is a TSS Sli
Post by Dilyan Ganev on Jul 16th, 2012 at 11:53am
Simple as that...Three Strand Sheepshank sling

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 16th, 2012 at 12:05pm
Dilyan's got it, TS3 or TSS is an abbreviation for a three strand sheep shank sling. Instructions can be found in the FAQ's. The Beginners Thread in the FAQ's has a glossary of slinging terms.

Title: Re: Please excuse my stupity but what is a TSS Sli
Post by Rat Man on Jul 16th, 2012 at 2:23pm

wll wrote on Jul 16th, 2012 at 11:13am:
I have gone on line and have found nothing, except the one guy who used one, but he does not explain what it is.

The Only TSS is a sling for shotguns called "Total Shotgun Sling", and that is not what you guys are talking about.


wll

This will help:

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251648259/0#0

Title: Question on asymmetric construction
Post by namuh1 on Jul 18th, 2012 at 1:08pm
Since I don't know a name for this I could not search it, but by observation I see that many slings seem to be made with an extra wrap or whip or whatever another name might be on only one side of the pouch.  I haven't checked dozens but the 10 or so examples I found all seem to have this extra wrap on the release string side rather than on the fixed or loop end string side.  If I've described this well enough could someone explain why the asymmetry and, if it is important, why it does not show up on most all slings?

Thanks,
-namuh1

PS Thanks to Peaceful Jeffrey for the paracord sling design.  I've made one and it works quite well considering my newbie skill level.

Title: Re: Question on asymmetric construction
Post by jlasud on Jul 18th, 2012 at 1:23pm
That part of the sling wears the most so it acts as a protection.Some people do it,some don't.If you have cords that wear quick,and\or use stones that very abrasive and\or angular it's very useful to have some leather sewn unto the release cords 4-5 inches.It extends the release cords life by much.
I don't think we have a special name for that.

Title: Re: Question on asymmetric construction
Post by namuh1 on Jul 18th, 2012 at 1:27pm
Thank you, that makes perfect sense.

-namuh1

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 18th, 2012 at 1:52pm
It's called whipping. Like jlasud said, it's to prevent abrasion wherever it's applied. The section of the release cord receives a lot of wear from stones leaving the pouch so people frequently whip that area of their slings.

Title: Re: Question on asymmetric construction
Post by Dan on Jul 18th, 2012 at 2:39pm

namuh1 wrote on Jul 18th, 2012 at 1:08pm:
Since I don't know a name for this I could not search it, but by observation I see that many slings seem to be made with an extra wrap or whip or whatever another name might be on only one side of the pouch.  I haven't checked dozens but the 10 or so examples I found all seem to have this extra wrap on the release string side rather than on the fixed or loop end string side.  If I've described this well enough could someone explain why the asymmetry and, if it is important, why it does not show up on most all slings?

Thanks,
-namuh1

PS Thanks to Peaceful Jeffrey for the paracord sling design.  I've made one and it works quite well considering my newbie skill level.



As the other guy said, it can help with longevity. If you make a 'simple braided sling' type finger loop with the 'folded over' cord and you have a leather pouch with holes. I will usually pull the cord through a bit and whip it rather than tie a knot at the pouch/cord transition. I prefer to whip with simple paracord/leather slings as well.

Title: Where Do I buy string?
Post by AlexZaamii on Jul 28th, 2012 at 11:28am
Hello,

I have been slinging for a few weeks and I want to upgrade from my cheap string (2mm thick) and cloth sling.

I have seen tutorials on how to make slings out of one long piece of string. Does anybody know where I could buy string?

Also, how thick should the string be? (I want to try making the one that has the string split in 2 to make a pouch, sorry don't know what it's actually called :-[)

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Where Do I buy string?
Post by Bill Skinner on Jul 28th, 2012 at 12:08pm
Most large department store have string as do most hobby/craft shops.  You can also use yarn.  Baling twine also works.  Commercial fishing and just plain fishing shops have twine, usually synthetic.  Military surplus stores have paracord.  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 28th, 2012 at 12:25pm
And don't forget that you can buy twine, para cord, and rope at hardware stores. Cord thickness depends a lot on how you make the sling. You're going to have to be more specific about what type of sling ou want to make.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on Jul 28th, 2012 at 5:21pm
Also at euro stores, or dollar stores in youre case, just got some very cheap cotton twine at one such store just today.

If you live near a farm you could get lots of free bailing twine.

Fabric stores, hardwares, building suppliers.

Or just harvest some hawthorn or rose bushes and make a bramble fibre sling!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Sons of benjamin on Jul 29th, 2012 at 2:07pm
At hobby lobby you can get some excellent jute cord.  I recently got some and love it.  It's a little thinner than macrame core, but not too thin.  And there is a LOT of it on a spool; I've made three slings out of it so far, and have hardly put a dent in the spool.  I HIGHLY suggest it.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Jul 29th, 2012 at 6:09pm
   Michaels, Walmart, Kmart, several dollar stores, Pine Hill Hardware, Tractor Supply, etc.. even Shoprite.  Shop around.  There are lots of good places.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 2nd, 2012 at 12:59pm
also camping/outdoor stores and army surplus are great places for paracord.
And garden centres - green garden string is often jute :-)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by d010060002 on Aug 6th, 2012 at 11:32am
I've been trying to make the T3 sling, and I'm rather confused. I made the single loop like it said in the tutorial. Then I western whipped up the side. However, now I'm left with 2 loops that I don't know what to do with. I have the loop that consists of three strands and will presumably turn into the pouch, and I a loop of 2 strands that is the rest of my rope from doing the whipping. I tried to weave with the loop, bu that doesn't look like what you did. Any help would be appreciated, and I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear. I'll try for more clarification if you need.  

P.S. This isn't so important because I can't even get to this point, but when I tried to weave with the loop I got a flat pouch. Going over the string on one weave and then under it on the other caused it so stay flat. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Thanks again. You guys are great.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by xxkid123 on Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:50pm
Hold your horses, where'd you get a loop of two strands?

Try taking a long strand of cord, it should extend from finger tip to finger tip. Then tie a locked sheep shank in the center (it's okay if it's off, that's actually good).

West country whipping is the method that Rat Man and a few others use. It's a nice touch, but if it's getting in the way, then let it go.

So just tie a locked sheepshank in the middle.
Here's a tutorial: http://www.animatedknots.com/sheepshank/index.php?Categ=scouting&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

To 'lock' it, thread the running ends through the loops. Look at the final step, the loops on the sides are very clear.

Then weave a strand through it. Under, over, under over. Keep it as tight as possible

After that tie a loop on one end, and a stopper knot on the other.

~fini.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by d010060002 on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:20am
Thanks for the reply


xxkid123 wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:50pm:
Hold your horses, where'd you get a loop of two strands?


I got the two strand loop from the leftover cord of the westcountry whipping.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338672380/0#0

If you scroll down to 12 you should see that it looks like he's weaving with a loop rather than a strand. I can make the sling the other way pretty easily, but ratman posted that he found that this was a better way to make it.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by xxkid123 on Aug 8th, 2012 at 12:46pm
Hehe.

I'm in a hurry right now, but check this link out

It shows the weaving and pouch process a little better http://slinging.org/index.php?page=5-strand-woven-paracord-sling-tutorial---jeffrey

Title: Questions about technique.
Post by HunterGatherer on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:55pm
Hello everyone,

I'm having some trouble with my slinging. I prefer to sling with the helicopter technique, but my shots always shoot off to the left (I'm righthanded). When I use the underhand technique, my stone usually falls out. Any suggestions on how to fix these problems would be appreciated!

Also, a completely unrelated question: what are Aussie slings? A lot of people on here say there really good, but I can't find any tutorial on them. Do you buy them?

Thanks,

HunterGatherer.

Title: Re: Questions about technique.
Post by Bill Skinner on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:18pm
If my shots go left while using heliocopter, it is because I increase the speed as I throw to get a little extra force.  Except you shouldn't do that, you brain has made a calculation for one speed, you increase it as you throw, which makes your release late, which makes your shot go left.

Keep the same speed in your rotation, that should stop your left misses.

Title: Re: Questions about technique.
Post by dork on Aug 11th, 2012 at 10:19pm
Always start out at a slower pace and work on technique before you add more power. Start with tennis balls when you are still working on your control. Safety first!  If your stones are falling out of the pouch, you are probably getting a bit of slack in you cords. It can happen if you don't maintain a smooth rotation in your throw. It may also me that your sling pouch is not quite centered. Put a ball in the pouch and hold it still, if the ball leans alittle to one side or the other it can easily fall out during your rotations.

Title: Re: Questions about technique.
Post by BrianGrubbs on Aug 11th, 2012 at 10:56pm

HunterGatherer wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:55pm:
Also, a completely unrelated question: what are Aussie slings? A lot of people on here say there really good, but I can't find any tutorial on them. Do you buy them?

HunterGatherer.


 Go to the trading post section and scroll down till you see the Aussie pouch thread.  It's pretty close to the top, and will explain everything.  

Brian

Title: Re: Questions about technique.
Post by scoteeball on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:09am
Left/right direction with a horizontal technique like helicopter is controlled by the timing of the release of the retention cord. If you are throwing to the left as a right handed thrower your release is too late. Try releasing just a bit earlier and you should be able to move it to the right. To get the feeling, exaggerate the early release until you are throwing too far to the right and then make the correction.

Title: Re: Questions about technique.
Post by Teg on Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:18am
There's also an other technic to be more accurate with "helicopter style": Try to point with our throwing hand (the right for you) towards your target. Don't "slice" your hand towards your hip but "push" it towards your target.
Therefore you have much more time to release the sling and timing becomes less important.
The power in "helicopter style" (from my opinion) does not come from the rotation of the sling but from the movement of the hand from behind the head towards the target (this means from the movement of hip and shoulders).

My shots go also off to left if I try to "force" my throws. In this case I take a step back and try to shoot light and relaxed.

Style diclaimer: This is how I shoot. You may use an other style which works better for you, as there are as many styles as slingers  ;)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:46pm
If you sling the same ammo with the same sling both helicopter style and underhand then I'm guessing your problem with underhand slinging is from inconsistent slinging speed. Dropping stones like that usually happens when you start off swinging very slow and suddenly whip the sling very fast instead of smoothly accelerating. If you follow Bill's advice you should be able to fix both problems.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by HunterGatherer on Aug 12th, 2012 at 11:45pm
Thanks everyone for your advice. When it stops raining, I'll have another try.

Thanks again! ;D


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by David Morningstar on Aug 13th, 2012 at 2:30am

When I shoot to the left it is usually because I am not popping my release open. If I just slack off a bit and let it pull through then the release is too slow. I fix this by making sure that after the release my thumb and forefinger are wide apart in the follow through.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Aug 13th, 2012 at 10:14am

d010060002 wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 10:20am:
Thanks for the reply


xxkid123 wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 3:50pm:
Hold your horses, where'd you get a loop of two strands?


I got the two strand loop from the leftover cord of the westcountry whipping.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338672380/0#0

If you scroll down to 12 you should see that it looks like he's weaving with a loop rather than a strand. I can make the sling the other way pretty easily, but ratman posted that he found that this was a better way to make it.

 It is an easier way to make it but you have to read ALL of the instructions.  Go back up to #6 and you see that we've doubled the weft, or weaving cord.  The loop you're referring to is simply a doubled piece of line.  Doubling the line is optional, as it says, but you'll find it can be very helpful if you need to add more cord to the weft.  # 13, 14, and 15 show you how to add more cord to your weft.  

Title: Maybe a dumb question.
Post by Rofriedrich on Aug 29th, 2012 at 8:47pm
Was wondering if certain designs compliment certain styles. Like does a braided split do better in overhand or something. Or should any style perform equally well with whatever release technique?

Title: Re: Maybe a dumb question.
Post by bigkahuna on Aug 29th, 2012 at 9:09pm
That's really a good question. As far as I know, there has been no study done to investigate this. :-?

Title: Re: Maybe a dumb question.
Post by xxkid123 on Aug 29th, 2012 at 9:13pm
Thin splits work better with quicker releases, same for slings that have very heavy or large pouches, and very soft cords. Thin splits can release a stone early, so swinging it around a billion times is asking for misfire. When pouch to cord is POUCH to cord then the cords can tangle together if you spin it too many times.

Otherwise I haven't noticed much of a difference.

Title: Re: Maybe a dumb question.
Post by Rofriedrich on Aug 29th, 2012 at 9:16pm
Oh ok. This has been goin through my head lately

Title: Re: Maybe a dumb question.
Post by Dan on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:19am
You can't really notice that well with most slings/styles. Ther'e a fair bit of Ideal styles for sling lengths, but not really that much difference between sling types.

Title: Re: Maybe a dumb question.
Post by Bill Skinner on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:32am
A split pouch handles different sized, and especially the larger, projectiles better.  Solid pouches handle smaller projectiles, such as the various metal projectiles, a whole lot better.  A smaller cord will open quicker, so it goes better with a solid pouch, which is usually smaller.  As to style of slinging, this is a personal opinion, I like a split for the heliocopter styles, the glandes seem to "settle" in the pouch and make my releases more consistent.  This is especially true with big jagged rocks.  I have found that a solid pouch works well with underhand and figure 8, particularly with egg sinkers and ball bearings.

Title: Re: Maybe a dumb question.
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:33am
balearic target suits shorter heavier slings.

Fig 8 suits longer more flexible slings.

The rest are pretty much interchangeable.
Although a stiffer corded sling would work well with greek style.

Title: 8-strand round braid?
Post by mitchrobinson on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:46pm
I am practicing new braids and knots and have a question.  So I have gotten good at the 4-strand round braid and I am trying to figure out how to double it around for the finger loop and then together to form an 8-strand.  Is it simply doubling up on the strands?  Is there a more complex braid that you could use to individually braid each strand still forming a round cord?

Thanks!

-Mitch

Title: Re: 8-strand round braid?
Post by perpetualstudent on Aug 31st, 2012 at 6:56am
I've never tried to do it with 8 seperate strands. I think it might work, but it will be more difficult to keep track of them all. I would just double up the cords, so I'm still working with 4 strands.

Title: Re: 8-strand round braid?
Post by Teg on Aug 31st, 2012 at 6:56am
If you end with the finger loop:
Have a look at this: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Make-a-Four-Strand-Braided-Leash-From-Parac/step7/Measuring-the-Braid-For-the-Handle-Loop/  (technique used: Splicing)

Otherwise you could also do an eye splice: http://www.animatedknots.com/splice/index.php

If you start with the finger loop:
You could just double it up, like around the finger 4 strand and afterwards 4 strand with two strings each. (see http://slinging.org/index.php?page=a-simple-braided-sling-in-20-steps---jeff-holt)

You can also do an 8 strand round braid. For 8 strand round braid see: http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-4-or-8-Part-Round-Braid.

Corrigendum: The eye splice is not suited for this, as you have to have a twisted rope and not a braided rope.

Title: Re: 8-strand round braid?
Post by mitchrobinson on Aug 31st, 2012 at 8:06am
Thank you so much Teg!  Most informative indeed! :)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 31st, 2012 at 9:17am
You can also try 8 strand kumihimo braiding. In general if you do the same steps as a smaller braid with more strands it will scale up, so and 8 strand braid will work just like a 4 strand one.

Title: throwing styles for different body types?
Post by timu on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:26am
Hey, just curious, are some slinging styles more suited to differently built people? for example, would a shorter person be better off using a different style than a taller person?

Title: Re: throwing styles for different body types?
Post by Rat Man on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:36pm
Hi, timu;
  Welcome to slinging.org.  Though we all have different favorite styles and all body types are represented here, IMO no style favors a particular body type.  None I can think of off the top of my head anyway.  

Title: Re: throwing styles for different body types?
Post by xxkid123 on Aug 31st, 2012 at 1:36pm
Yeah, throwing styles aren't correlated with body type. My best explanation is that a sling length is based on your own height already, so everything should work out.

Title: Re: throwing styles for different body types?
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:48pm
yep pretty much just down to sling length.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:14pm
Right on, on a side note, what is a masiakasaurus?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by mitchrobinson on Sep 2nd, 2012 at 12:36am
I have a few questions about rivets and riveting.  So I have a few "Pop" Rivetools (open ended rivet with a mandrel running through), I read that open end rivets can be used for soft materials (leather) as well as what all I have used them on.  I have repeatedly attempted to punch out the mandrel after snapping the shaft to no avail.  Can someone please tell me if there is a way to consistently remove the mandrel head from the rivet to facilitate hammering the flared end flat?  I am simply attempting to make the rivet altogether lighter by removing the steel mandrel head.  I saw the riveted Captain Paul slings and was inspired but have hit a major snag.  Am I using the wrong type of rivet?

Also, what tool would I want to get to facilitate stringing paracord through?  I saw a few slings on this site doing it.  I thought an open end rivet would work but hit two snags; the mandrel head, and when I could punch out the head, hammering the end flat does not leave a clean hole as the end is usually partially deformed from the variations in the head of the mandrel.

Thank you so much for your time!  I know it's a LOT to ask!

-Mitch

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by mitchrobinson on Sep 2nd, 2012 at 12:57am
Masiakasaurus is a predatory dinosaur native to Madagascar during the Cretaceous period.  Thanks Wikipedia!   ;D

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Sep 2nd, 2012 at 5:29am
if you're looking to cut weight, try using eyelets instead. Although I don't think it'll affect the weight either way. eyelets are cool cause you can feed string etc. through them!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 2nd, 2012 at 3:35pm
Howdy all. Was wondering what a"toggle" is and its function
.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Sep 2nd, 2012 at 7:04pm
It goes on the end of a retention cord and is used to supplant what would normally be a retention ring. You hold the toggle which could be a pice of bone, antler, or wood and the retention cord goes inbetween your ring and middle finger. Generally they give the sling a more secure feel.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 12:42am
When I use eyelets/rivets I don't use a rivetool. I buy the rivet kits from the craft store. As for a tool to help with stringing your paracord through the rivet, can you explain? I don't exactly know why you'd need something. It could be due to our using different rivets, but i won't know without a little more info.

Yep, a toggle is a solid handle used to hold the sling instead of the normal finger loop. You hold it like a push knife, but with a sling cord instead of a blade.

Title: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 4:19pm
Found some cheap. Is this good cordage material? It had cool designs

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 4:44pm
Was wonderin cause I wanna take a shot at a seatbelt sling.

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Pans on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 5:07pm
It should work for a seatbelt sling. No doubt real paracord is much better, but you should get good results for this purpose  :)

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by xxkid123 on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 6:14pm
is it braided or twisted? Twisted stuff tends to tangle. You want the braided rope. Otherwise it'll be perfect.

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 6:49pm
Its braided.

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Dan on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 7:29pm
You can make a sling from darn near anything that has some flex.

Last week I destroyed a VCR and I took the plug cord thing and made a TS3 from it and proceded to sling stones at least 70 yards into the woods. It was pretty heavy though and didn't really feel right but you get the Idea,

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 7:57pm
I tried with orange extesion cord and the end results weren't very safe lol.

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Dan on Sep 4th, 2012 at 7:55am
Yeah you have to be carefull because it's so heavy it can come around and whip you pretty hard.

Title: Re: 3/16 nylon rope
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 4th, 2012 at 8:36am
If you got it at Wally World, it's the same cord I use for my jagged rock slings.  It will be a little stiff at first but it will loosen up some.  It will never be as flexable as jute or hemp but I found it to be almost indestructable.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 4th, 2012 at 9:25am
Yup, that's where I found it. Tons of it for 6 bucks ain't bad, and the speckled colors looks nice.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by d010060002 on Sep 5th, 2012 at 2:47pm
How do you guys make even weaves? I just tried to make a rockman and my pouch sucked because i kept trying to tighten the weave (the instruction said to make sure it was tight) which resulted in a very thin and very variable thickness pouch. Do you guys use looms or something?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 5th, 2012 at 3:27pm
The few woven I've done I wove my entire length, then pushed it all up to tighten. Usually when I did this I had done maybe a quarter of a pouch at a time, so it took 4 to five times to make a full, tight weave. Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 5th, 2012 at 4:20pm
It's important that the weaving isn't loose, but it sounds like you are weaving too tight. Keep the warp under tension so that it's completely straight and don't tighten the weft strand (the strand you wrap around everything else) enough to be straight. It should always be bending around the warp strands. After weaving for a little while push the section you've just woven to the already braided side of your sling to compress the weave and repeat until the weave is too dense to compress any further and is as long as you'd like.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rockman on Sep 5th, 2012 at 5:50pm

d010060002 wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 2:47pm:
How do you guys make even weaves? I just tried to make a rockman and my pouch sucked because i kept trying to tighten the weave (the instruction said to make sure it was tight) which resulted in a very thin and very variable thickness pouch. Do you guys use looms or something?


I think you´re confused a bit. Tightening the weave comes AFTER each pass towards the beginning of the pouch. What I mean is you should make a weave pass on the three strands, and THEN push upwards what you just weaved.

If you weave tight each HORIZONTAL pass, your pouch will turn out like crap (thin and uneven like you describe). You need to push tight VERTICALLY on each pass.

Hope that helps.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Sep 5th, 2012 at 6:06pm
Weavers use a comb device to pack each pass through. I use an old comb. I also find it easier to use a loom. Most of the slings I make now days begin in the middle, with the pouch then weave and braid out from there finishing with the loop or release knot.

I saved this picture from another posting because the idea works and it shows a good use of what you might find around the house.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:41am
Hi, all.  Do I have this straight:

Belearic style = sidearm style with multiple initial spins?

Helicopter style = Byzantine style with multiple initial spins?

Many thanks.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:53am
Balaeric slinging has a pretty huge variety. You can see some here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNimz7JCTiI&feature=related

Generally Balaeric style has multiple slow rotations more 'behind' you than side arm.

You are pretty much on about helicopter though.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by d010060002 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:48pm
Thanks for all the responses. You were right, I was confused.

Title: The accursed sisal. . . Upside?
Post by Bibbs on Sep 7th, 2012 at 3:24am
Hello all, I've read through all the posts that the search came up with when"sisal" is input, wanted to say that to put out there that I'm not being lazy and asking instead of working, and masaiakasaueous(sorry man, I am sure I just absolutely butchered your sn) I think it was, mentioned not messing with sisal unless you just like the other properties, I looked and searched, looking for any mention of dunstable properties, to no avail, so I favored I would ask, ogee got a boat load of it (couple thousands meters) and if it has properties that make out truly worth using, I would think knowing them would make me able to vary the style of sling/ technique that I use, so I can take advantage of those qualities, and asking will save a lot of time over using a couple thousands meters to make mediocre slings, that could be decent slings with a little bit of information


Thank you in advance for dealing with my ignorance

Title: Re: The accursed sisal. . . Upside?
Post by Dan on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:52am
That's awesome that you have that much sisal. Go for a balaeric style sling (google it if you don't know what they look like). They are really simple to make, you can make them a bunch of differnt lengths, and a well made one looks great.

3 main options with sisal. One, If it's really even and not too fuzzy braid it as is.

Two, as you are braiding, untwist the inch or so of cordage being braided and braid tightly (This is my preffered method. It makes it look cleaner).

Three, Soak the cordage and seperate the sisal into fibers and take the longer fibers and make a totally traditonal style baleric sling.

Title: Re: The accursed sisal. . . Upside?
Post by Bibbs on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:06am
Picked it up at home depot, I might have to try the untwistin, though, just to make sure I'm understanding properly, you are basically de constructing the sisal and braiding the fibers alone, an inch or so at a time, right? Doesn't sound to bad, will have to try it. But what sets sisal apart from, say hemp? Or whatever other twine you can think of (other than price and how hairy it.is lol)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 7th, 2012 at 12:16pm
Call me Masi. ;)

Sisal is stiff, wiry, and abrasion resistant. That makes it unlikely to develope twist over time, the pouch can be "cupped" and it won't lose its shape, and the end of the sling is unlikely to wear through. This also means it's unsuited to complex braids, kinks and bends are hard to get rid of, and sisal is hard to cut. Try simple braids, or using sisal to reinforce the tail end of the sling and stay away from Peruvian braids.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Bibbs on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:41pm
Haha, ok, thanks masi.

Title: Rifled spin?
Post by timu on Sep 9th, 2012 at 8:37am
So I have been trying to to make my throws have this perfect spiral lately.  I should have guessed it would be more elusive than I hoped!
  My rocks definitely spin most of the time with the forward point of my rock leaning to the right and the tail to the left( I am right handed).
Basically how do I straighten this out and are there different kinds of spins for different purposes?

Title: Re: Rifled spin?
Post by Steven on Sep 9th, 2012 at 3:34pm
I use a relatively stiff cord set so they don't twist in windup. When I cast my thumb is closest to my head and my palm faces my target..


YMMV Good Luck.

Title: Re: Rifled spin?
Post by jlasud on Sep 9th, 2012 at 4:27pm
What style do you use? it seems like some sort of overhand

Title: Re: Rifled spin?
Post by Steven on Sep 9th, 2012 at 4:52pm

jlasud wrote on Sep 9th, 2012 at 4:27pm:
What style do you use? it seems like some sort of overhand

A very relaxed 8 with very large slow motions to keep cord from twisting ... I think a greek single loop into a side arm with a thumb up delivery would also work.

Title: Re: Rifled spin?
Post by jlasud on Sep 9th, 2012 at 4:58pm
In theory any style that ends in your palm facing the target,and with parallel cords and correct ammo will get you a rifle spin. To be simplistic.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:54am
Hey, I think I figured out why the shots were spinning crooked! I use figure 8, heli, byzantine and when i was releasing the stone, my arm was not perpendicular to the ground( 20 degrees or so).  Now I wonder if I could twek it to use as a curve ball!!!!! anybody here mess around with that kind of idea before?

Title: Braiding advice needed: the split
Post by MrMasterplan on Sep 12th, 2012 at 12:30pm
I have braided about half a dozen slings by now. I love their historic touch and feel. The finger loop and the main cords are no problem. I can do all the basic braiding patterns by now, but there is one thing I just cannot seem to get right, and that is the split where the retention cord goes out into two pieces to form the pouch and where those pieces come back together.

When I look at these pictures of a beautiful sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1232817549/57#57
I can see that each part of the pouch is almost the same thickness as the retention cord. How is the extra material picked up? Also, the pouch halves are lying neatly side-by-side while all individual stands somehow keep weaving in and out of the braid leaving no obvious trace of how the split was made.

I have myself come up with a number of ways of making the split and picking up material, but I am just not entirely satisfied with any of them. If anyone could help me with this it would be much appreciated. Something like an advanced braiding tutorial maybe?

I have pictures of the splits I have braided so far if people are interested in seeing them.

/S

Title: Re: Braiding advice needed: the split
Post by Teg on Sep 12th, 2012 at 1:32pm
Yes, could you post them please? So we can see what you don't want  ;)  What material do you use? Cords/strings or raw fibers?

Title: Re: Braiding advice needed: the split
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 13th, 2012 at 11:00am
A picture is worth a thousand words.  And if you are computer savvy enough, do a close up or point out what you feel is wrong.  Also, if you whip the area where it splits and comes back together, it will cover up the area and strengthen the areas of the sling where the rock rolls out of the pouch, which extends the life of the sling.

Title: Pouch to cord transitions
Post by vegemite on Sep 14th, 2012 at 3:38am
A Peruvian sling, or a simple braided sling, has a clean transition between the cord and the pouch.  Contrast this with a pouch joined with a knot like my avatar, or a leather pouch with two cords attached by knots.  

My question is: will the slings with a clean transition at the pouch/cord joint, like the Peruvian, be more accurate?  I wonder if the projectile will hit a knot on the way out, making for an inconsistent release.  

Title: Re: Pouch to cord transitions
Post by David Morningstar on Sep 14th, 2012 at 5:11am
Yes, absolutely. I try to make my pouch to cord transitions as smooth as possible after filming this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJjFK68mn0w


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 14th, 2012 at 10:15am
I wrap the lower portion of my slings cords with some of the leather from the pouch so that the transition happens farther away from where the stone might touch. There definitely is a difference in consistency between a sling with big knots by the pouch and one with small or no knots.

As an aside, please post these kinds of questions directly in the questions thread. It's not a big deal, but I'd rather not have to move them. :) It's easier for me to move things out of here than into here.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 14th, 2012 at 9:50pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Sep 14th, 2012 at 10:15am:
I wrap the lower portion of my slings cords with some of the leather from the pouch so that the transition happens farther away from where the stone might touch. There definitely is a difference in consistency between a sling with big knots by the pouch and one with small or no knots.

As an aside, please post these kinds of questions directly in the questions thread. It's not a big deal, but I'd rather not have to move them. :) It's easier for me to move things out of here than into here.


Okay, I will start posting here from now on.

I will make a Cliff sling this weekend and try it out.  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by mitchrobinson on Sep 15th, 2012 at 7:35am
Here is a close up shot of my first attempt at a woven, 5-strand pouch.  Why did the pouch seem to shrink a little on that one side?
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Bibbs on Sep 15th, 2012 at 7:48am
I'm no expert, and have wrong on many occasions with many subjects, but if I were to hazard a guess, I would ask, did you use a loom? And possibly inconsistent tension, but ghats a guess from my own mistakes

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 15th, 2012 at 2:41pm
I've had that happen too. I thought it looked cool though.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by mitchrobinson on Sep 15th, 2012 at 7:10pm
I used the weight of my laptop and my toe for tension.  Must weaving be done on a loom?  I think I tightened the woven strands too much, or maybe I was not being taught enough up until that point?  I guess practice makes perfect, but I am led to believe that solid pouches made from leather or other materials are more cost effective than using all of your cordage on the weave instead of simply the cords.  

Title: Re: Braiding advice needed: the split
Post by Timothy Potter on Sep 15th, 2012 at 7:28pm

MrMasterplan wrote on Sep 12th, 2012 at 12:30pm:
I have braided about half a dozen slings by now. I love their historic touch and feel. The finger loop and the main cords are no problem. I can do all the basic braiding patterns by now, but there is one thing I just cannot seem to get right, and that is the split where the retention cord goes out into two pieces to form the pouch and where those pieces come back together.

When I look at these pictures of a beautiful sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1232817549/57#57
I can see that each part of the pouch is almost the same thickness as the retention cord. How is the extra material picked up? Also, the pouch halves are lying neatly side-by-side while all individual stands somehow keep weaving in and out of the braid leaving no obvious trace of how the split was made.

I have myself come up with a number of ways of making the split and picking up material, but I am just not entirely satisfied with any of them. If anyone could help me with this it would be much appreciated. Something like an advanced braiding tutorial maybe?

I have pictures of the splits I have braided so far if people are interested in seeing them.

/S


Although I can't be sure how that particular sling was made, I've worked on a few Balearic style slings, so maybe some of what I've learned might be helpful to you. Here's how I make the split for the pouch:

I take the strand that would be the next one to be braided (Assuming a five strand braid is used, and that three strands are in one hand and two in the other, this strand is the top strand in the hand that has three strands) and I divide this strand into two equal parts, and pass half of it to my other hand as though I were continuing the braiding sequence with it. Now each hand has an equal amount of material, and the next thing I do is to divide the other four strands in half, so I have ten half strands in all, five in each hand. I tie one hand's strands together in a slip knot, and then braid the other hand's strands for the length of the pouch. Then I go back and braid the second half of the pouch to the same length. Joining the to halves together again is simply a reversal of the splitting process. One of the half strands is passed from on hand to the other, and then the ten halves are grouped into five full strands again to continue the braid.

You may have already seen this, but here are some pictures that show better detail of a split Balearic pouch: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1232817549/95

On the sling you mentioned, I do think that a significant amount of fiber is added to the braid right where the pouch split is started. In the picture, the braid pattern is obscured at that point, and I think it is because of the ends of the added fibers. I'm not entirely sure about how the Balearic sling makers add fiber to their slings, but I think it is done by adding a clump of fiber to one strand at a time. If you look at this sling http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172017416/1509#1509, you can notice the trimmed off ends of the clumps at several places along the length of the sling. So my guess would be that when the divide for the pouch is made, enough fiber is added to each strand of the braid to double the thickness. One thing I have found to be important when adding material to a strand, whether I'm braiding with fibers or with twine or string, is to twist the strand and the added material tightly together as I braid them. This helps a lot to secure the added material and keep it from unraveling.

-Timothy Potter

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Bibbs on Sep 15th, 2012 at 8:49pm

mitchrobinson wrote on Sep 15th, 2012 at 7:10pm:
I used the weight of my laptop and my toe for tension.  Must weaving be done on a loom?  I think I tightened the woven strands too much, or maybe I was not being taught enough up until that point?  I guess practice makes perfect, but I am led to believe that solid pouches made from leather or other materials are more cost effective than using all of your cordage on the weave instead of simply the cords.  


I'm not so sure about cost efficiency, ghats not my strong suit. And no, a loom is absolutely not required, but it make s everything a little but easier for me, a loom can be constructed on the cheap too, I've made do with a2x4 and a couple if nails with the heads cut of f you may want to try for a weft faced weave (I'm potty sure ghats what its called lol) where you don't tension the chord your moving over and under at all, it looks pretty neat, and I know theres a tutorial on here showing how to accomplish it if I was at all vauge, let me know if you can't find it, I'll post a link

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Sep 16th, 2012 at 12:25pm

mitchrobinson wrote on Sep 15th, 2012 at 7:10pm:
I used the weight of my laptop and my toe for tension.  Must weaving be done on a loom?  I think I tightened the woven strands too much, or maybe I was not being taught enough up until that point?  I guess practice makes perfect, but I am led to believe that solid pouches made from leather or other materials are more cost effective than using all of your cordage on the weave instead of simply the cords.  

   For such a simple sling a loom is not necessary.  IMO you just need a little practice.  It will come to you.  Your pouch could have been woven a bit tighter.  As you weave pull up fairly hard on the lengthwise strands (warp) every so often.  This will tighten up your pouch and give it a nice cupped shape.
 I never use a loom, but I don't make slings that are as complex as some that Timothy Potter and some other members make.   The slings I make with woven pouches are the TS3, pj, Cobra, Rockman, and some experimental models.  For these types of pouches I find that a loom is unnecessary.  I prefer woven pouches to those made of leather or other materials.  Woven pouches can be formed to an shape you desire and they provide cupping, which makes them much easier to use.  I do have leather pouch and other non-woven slings that I like and enjoy using but my favorite slings usually have woven pouches.  
  The pouch you made really isn't bad looking and I'm sure it will work just fine.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Sep 16th, 2012 at 12:40pm

Tomas wrote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 9:54am:
Hey, I think I figured out why the shots were spinning crooked! I use figure 8, heli, byzantine and when i was releasing the stone, my arm was not perpendicular to the ground( 20 degrees or so).  Now I wonder if I could twek it to use as a curve ball!!!!! anybody here mess around with that kind of idea before?


   It's difficult to get most ammo to curve significantly.  The exception is golf balls.  If you want your ammo to curve try them.  

Title: Re: The accursed sisal. . . Upside?
Post by Rat Man on Sep 16th, 2012 at 12:51pm

Bibbs wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:06am:
Picked it up at home depot, I might have to try the untwistin, though, just to make sure I'm understanding properly, you are basically de constructing the sisal and braiding the fibers alone, an inch or so at a time, right? Doesn't sound to bad, will have to try it. But what sets sisal apart from, say hemp? Or whatever other twine you can think of (other than price and how hairy it.is lol)

  I've made some good slings with sisal but it's not my favorite material.  It's very tough on the hands after a while.. sort of like braiding fiberglass.  Hemp is softer, more pliable, and consequently easier to work with.  My favorite natural material is jute.  It's strong enough, soft and easy to work with, tangle resistant, as cheap as dirt, and the finished product has a nice rustic look to it.  Cotton is another natural material that  is easy to work with and makes a nice sling.  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 16th, 2012 at 1:49pm
Helpful fellow slingers, I have a couple of questions today:

1) Try as I might, I can't keep my braided cords from twisting.  Does anyone else experience this?

2) On the windup in the Byzantine style, as the fist approaches the forehead, it seems better to turn the back of the hand (as opposed to the palm) towards the forehead.  I get more power this way.  Does this match your experience?

3) What came first, the sling or atlatl?  I just watched "Quest for Fire," and they depicted Atlatls, but not slings.

Thanks as always.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Sep 16th, 2012 at 4:40pm

vegemite wrote on Sep 16th, 2012 at 1:49pm:
Helpful fellow slingers, I have a couple of questions today:

1) Try as I might, I can't keep my braided cords from twisting.  Does anyone else experience this?

2) On the windup in the Byzantine style, as the fist approaches the forehead, it seems better to turn the back of the hand (as opposed to the palm) towards the forehead.  I get more power this way.  Does this match your experience?

3) What came first, the sling or atlatl?  I just watched "Quest for Fire," and they depicted Atlatls, but not slings.

Thanks as always.


For 1) What are you using? An even or odd number of strands? Braidings with an even number of strands are much more likely to twist from my experience. Therefore I usually use 3, 5 or 7 strand braids.
Furter pay attention that you always tighten the strand equally on both sides, as one hand is usually stronger than the other.

For 2) I never paid attention to this ;-)

For 3) http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1346498940/0#0

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 16th, 2012 at 4:49pm
Teg, I made a simple Cliff Dan Bollinger sling with 3 strand braids.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 16th, 2012 at 4:51pm
1. Twist may come from too much tension as you braid, uneven thickness of the cords you braid with, twisting of the individual cords in the braid because of your technique, etc. Pics would be helpful.

2. Doesn't matter what my experience is as long as it works for you. To answer your question, though; I do the same thing with my wrist as you describe.

3. Nobody knows for sure. I think atlatl came first and was developed directly into the sling and the bow by different cultures. I'm sure there are people who think the sling came first, the atlatl evolved from the sling, and the bow evolved from the sling. There's not really enough evidence to say that the sling or the atlatl came first, although I think it's pretty certain that the bow came after both of those two.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Sep 16th, 2012 at 5:18pm
This one: http://slinging.org/index.php?page=woven-pouch-sling---colin-philips   ?

That's woven and not braided and I don't have so much experience with weaving  ;)
Maybe your base cords you weave around are not of the same length or have a different tension?

I don't agree with Masia in one point: Too much tension does not cause the braid to twist. I braid my slings so tight that the release end stands horizontally for 10 cm for itself without bending. Uneven tension is an other question.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 16th, 2012 at 5:29pm
Sorry, I meant Dan Bollinger with jute.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 16th, 2012 at 7:10pm

Teg wrote on Sep 16th, 2012 at 5:18pm:
I don't agree with Masia in one point: Too much tension does not cause the braid to twist.

Nonsense! You're only saying that because it never has. ;)

My experience says differently. Regardless, we can't know without seeing the braid in question. I ask again, pictures?

Title: Re: MORE FREE SLINGS FOR BEGINNERS
Post by AlexZaamii on Sep 16th, 2012 at 4:12pm
What is the type of rope used called? I'm new to slinging but I don't know what the type of rope to use is called so I can't ask where I could buy some  :-[

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 16th, 2012 at 7:21pm
Here is a picture of my sling.  Hopefully you can see the twist.  I tapered the release cord.  This is cheap jute twine from the hardware store meant for gardening.  Thanks.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 16th, 2012 at 7:25pm
Alex:
Quote:
A rope is a linear collection of plies, yarns or strands which are twisted or braided together in order to combine them into a larger and stronger form. Ropes have tensile strength and so can be used for dragging and lifting, but are far too flexible to provide compressive strength. As a result, they cannot be used for pushing or similar compressive applications. Rope is thicker and stronger than similarly constructed cord, line, string, and twine.

You want either cord or twine. Any kind will do. Twine is for braiding, cord is too thick for that, and rope is too thick for slinging. If you're asking about a specific kind of cord or twine, can you discribe it? Then I can give you a specific answer.

Veg: try untwisting the cords slightly as you braid them or flipping half of the strands upside down so that their inherent twist will cancel out instead of compounding upon each other. To fix the current sling, wet it and hang it from a shower curtain by the pouch, without any twist. Bind the ends of the sling together with twine and hang a weight from the sling as it dries. If that doesn't work repeat, except with counter twist in the sling as it dries.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 16th, 2012 at 7:40pm
Masi, good advice, thanks.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Sep 17th, 2012 at 7:49am
I had a sling like that but it had around 5x as many twist and it was a balaeric style masonry cord sling.

I could untwist it before every shot but that really annoyed me so I just completely undid it and rebraided it with a 3 strand instead of a 5 strand braid. It is now my favorite sling, and it has been since may. Masi's suggestion should work with natural cords though.

Title: Advice needed, side arm technique
Post by Cryptic on Sep 19th, 2012 at 4:55pm
Hello,


I have a growing interest in slings and am practicing the side arm technique (I had some wild throws with the helicopter technique that led to many lost balls  :-[).

I watched the videos on this site for side arm and have a few questions.  Could any one help me with the following:

- What are some tips to increase velocity and accuracy with the side arm technique?
- Do you point or follow though with your hand as the projectile is released?
- Does your shoulder play any part?
-How do you obtain maximum rotational speed before the release?

Thanks...


Title: Re: Advice needed, side arm technique
Post by archanetinker on Sep 19th, 2012 at 5:02pm
Yes, I definitely use my shoulder in sidearm....although it's almost all in a vertical capacity.

As far as increasing speed, I try to tighten everything in toward my core when I'm nearing release (think cracking a whip or a figure skater pulling in their arms to speed up)  

Seems to suit me well.

Title: Re: Advice needed, side arm technique
Post by Rat Man on Sep 19th, 2012 at 5:25pm
Hello and welcome, Cryptic;
   Often it's helpful to include a video of your slinging if you're able to.  
   One way to help with your velocity and accuracy is to sling at about 80% of your full strength.  You'll notice very little or no change in velocity and your accuracy should improve instantly.
   I follow through... IMO the follow through is an extremely important part of your shot.
   Yes, my shoulder plays a big part in my slinging.  
   With rotational speed, of course, it's only the last rotation that matters.  I feel that the best way to obtain maximum rotational speed is to be relaxed, make sure your movements are correct, and sling at only about 80% power.  If you're straining and tight it's very difficult to be an effective slinger.  You want to be smooth and relaxed.  
   There are many excellent slinging videos on youtube.  Many are listed in Aussies FAQ section.  l learned a lot watching David Morningstar's videos.  Brian Grubbs has an excellent Figure 8 video on youtube.  There are many, many other good ones.
Good luck!

Title: Re: Advice needed, side arm technique
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 19th, 2012 at 7:44pm

Cryptic wrote on Sep 19th, 2012 at 4:55pm:
- What are some tips to increase velocity and accuracy with the side arm technique?
- Do you point or follow though with your hand as the projectile is released?
- Does your shoulder play any part?
-How do you obtain maximum rotational speed before the release?

-As with all things, practice. Don't give the throw a final "push" of extra power. It's counter-intuitive but the sudden change of speed will throw off your accuracy. Side arm throws are prone to going farther right or left than you want as well and high or low. Overhand and underarm throws tend to be off high or low, but will go straight ahead if your body is facing the right direction.
-You should use your whole body. Learn to lean into the throw with your back and core, push off the ground (without jumping) using your legs, and twist at the hip so that you use all your muscles and put less strain on individual joints. This is more applicable to helicopter and sidearm, but still a part of every style of throw.
-Smoothly spin the sling faster and faster until you're ready to throw. If you spin the sling like a whirlwind but the stones aren't flying very far then you are either deflecting your shots by hitting the stone with your sling (it happens to the best of us, but happens more if you don't follow through and pull the sling out of the way) or you are stopping/slowing unconsciously in between the twirling phase and the final throwing phase of your cast. Don't do that. ;)

Happy slinging! Try out other styles of slinging to see if one will just "click" for you. Apache did for me because it was just like baseball.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by curious_aardvark on Sep 20th, 2012 at 10:14am
sidearm is one of the more relaxed throwing styles. And distance and power comes from using the whole body in harmony rather than trying to force the throw with one particular body part.

two or three rotations behind your back (aka balearics) will add extra velocity and power to the throw.

But the key is to relax and just go with the flow.
I find sidearm to be the best style if you're joints are hurting.

As done right it places very little stress on any of them.  

Title: I've found a technique that works...
Post by PandaMan on Sep 21st, 2012 at 12:48pm
However I'd like to know if it has a name, as I'm not sure how I would say my technique to others without a long description.
Basically, I start off lightly swinging the sling vertically, holding it down by my side. It doesn't go above my waist at this stage. Then when it's gathered a bit more speed I swing it forwards into a horizontal swing above my head and release the sling side-arm.

Does this have a name?

Title: Re: I've found a technique that works...
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 21st, 2012 at 12:56pm
Compare it to the videos found here. http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1260271797 it sounds like a variation on a simple (only one loop) sidearm throw. There's a video of a gladiator breakinga  window on youtube that sounds pretty similar to what you describe.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by PandaMan on Sep 21st, 2012 at 1:06pm
I found this video on youtube. I do exactly what this guy does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEr85ZTqbcI&feature=player_detailpage#t=172s

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 21st, 2012 at 1:13pm
Can't watch that on my stupid iPhone, sorry. Maybe someone else will tell you.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by vegemite on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 12:39pm

PandaMan wrote on Sep 21st, 2012 at 1:06pm:
I found this video on youtube. I do exactly what this guy does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEr85ZTqbcI&feature=player_detailpage#t=172s


That seems like the sidearm technique to me.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 3:46pm
I'm gonna try this

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Cryptic on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 10:53pm
Every one,

Thank you for your advice and encouragement.  I watched the Brian's video and I am working on the technique he uses step by step. Now, I just need to buy some more of those dense pink balls for ammunition....  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 11:44pm
I like tennis balls as a safe ammo alternative.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 24th, 2012 at 12:32am
I have a question about finger loops on braided slings. When you have found the middle of your strings, does it start there or should you go up a couple inches and start the loop? Any help would be appreciated.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Caldou on Sep 24th, 2012 at 5:17am
To make the tapering easier, you can start braiding even a bit farther away from the exact center.

Either way, since I hope you have cut your strings too long, it should not be such a problem and should not have too much an impact.


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Sep 24th, 2012 at 7:58am
As caldou said, give yourself plenty of extra cord, and make it in the middle.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Sep 24th, 2012 at 8:19am
Just for your information, as it does not directly answer your question: You can also start at the end of your strings!
Like: start 10 cm after one end with braiding the finger loop, then add it up and taper it, braid the string to the pouch, add again string, braid 5 cm,  split it, braid the pouch and taper it again, braid the release cord. Biggest advance from my point of view: you have an equal size of the braid at the pouch and at the finger loop. I started to do it like this, because the finger loop was always to thin and the braids of the release cords to thick for my likings.

PS: I braid with hemp strings and not raw fiber, so I don't know how it works with raw fibers.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Sep 24th, 2012 at 11:00am
Throwing in an opinion from the flat, tapered braided sling lobby; it's rare that I'll begin a braided sling from one end like the finger loop then end with the release knot. Beginning in the middle with the pouch allows you to taper your cords, reducing the diameter of the braid as you go which is easier and neater looking than adding cordage to  your braid as you go. You can double over one end and sew/whip it like my personal sling pictured here, or weave the strands back into the braid.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 24th, 2012 at 12:47pm
Thanks for all the information everyone. Y'all rock!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 24th, 2012 at 1:54pm
I begin from the finger loop, splice in more material to hide the ends, and splice again when tapering down. It leaves no evidence; the perfect crime. [smiley=evil.gif]

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by PandaMan on Sep 25th, 2012 at 12:38pm
I've been looking up how to make natural cordage, and I found out that stinging nettles have good fibres for making cordage. What I couldn't find, however, is information on how to dry out the fibres. Is it as simple as just leaving the stripped fibres somewhere to dry, or can you do it by a fire?

I'm thinking of trying to making a sling from stinging nettles because:

  • I have no money to buy cordage
  • It would be a cool project. I would be able to say to people 'This is made of stinging nettles!'  :P


Anyone know anything about this?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Sep 25th, 2012 at 12:42pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 1:54pm:
I begin from the finger loop, splice in more material to hide the ends, and splice again when tapering down. It leaves no evidence; the perfect crime. [smiley=evil.gif]


I'd like to see that. Can you post some pics or tutorial?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 25th, 2012 at 2:29pm
If you've seen any of my braided slings from the past year that's what I do. It takes a bit of time, so a tutorial may be a long time coming.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Sep 25th, 2012 at 2:53pm
Or you could just send me one.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by mitchrobinson on Sep 29th, 2012 at 11:21am
I got a good-sized chunk of black obsidian from my girlfriend's grandmother, who is a rock hound.  Would someone please point me in the direction of some good knapping instructions for beginners?  Pictures and/or movies would be a huge plus.

Thank you kindly.



-Mitch

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 29th, 2012 at 6:33pm
You shouldn't knap sling stones, sharp or jagged edges will wear through the sling's cords. I suggest throwing it as is. AFAIK obsidian isn't good for pecking and grinding, which you can use to shape sling stones. Sorry, I don't have any tutorials on that though.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 29th, 2012 at 6:53pm
Mitch, go to Paleoplanet.  There is a beginners forum for new knappers.  Youtube has some good ones and some you may not quite be ready for, just type in beginning flintknapping.  Best is to go to a knap in, most knappers will sit down with and walk you through making a point.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by mitchrobinson on Sep 29th, 2012 at 10:56pm
I never intended on destroying perfectly good volcanic glass, or a sling for that matter, by slinging with it.  That would make absolutely no sense at all.

I am looking for the correct methods for breaking some good sized flakes off in order to make small blades or mid-sized points.  The "chunk" is a bit larger than my fist which, by-the-by, is rather large as well.  I already mapped out the areas most likely to produce the size and shape of flakes I want, based on the way the obsidian is broken and formed already.

Alas; I could definitely live without becoming a member on another forum.  Thank you for the suggestions Bill, but I may have to wait till next year's Echoes in Time to sit down with a pro.  Looks like youtube is my last resort.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by mitchrobinson on Sep 30th, 2012 at 2:17am
Well I have already learned much just from watching paleomanjim's videos on youtube.  Anyone wishing to have a very detailed walk-through of theory and mechanics behind knapping should check his stuff out.  Very very very informative indeed.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 30th, 2012 at 6:57am
Well, "General Discussion" is for slinging related posts. For future reference this would be better to ask in "Other Topics." Not a big deal, though. :)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Sep 30th, 2012 at 6:49pm
Hey any tips on a good sling for snowballs? Winter is coming!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 30th, 2012 at 7:31pm
Get a pouch from Aussie. They're big, wide, cupped, and waterproof. Perfect for snowballs!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Sep 30th, 2012 at 10:13pm
It don't snow n Houston lol

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Bibbs on Sep 30th, 2012 at 10:42pm
I think aussies pouch would work best due to the water proof ness, other than that, about anything with water proof ness would work well

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Oct 2nd, 2012 at 7:44am
will do! I've been wary of split pouches but will take your advice! How do contact Aussie?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 2nd, 2012 at 10:20am
Find his profile and send him a pm or go to you pm box and put "aussieslinger" in the address box.

I almost exclusively use split pouches, they're alright. ;) Aussie pouches are more solid than average, though.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Oct 3rd, 2012 at 9:40am
OK.  "Any question" coming...

I find that my length preference varies dramatically with the kind of throw I am using.  If I use an Apache type throw (overhand, < 1 revolution) I seem to be more accurate with a longer (36" - 42") sling, while if I'm doing any kind of multiple rotation throw, like a helicopter throw, I seem to be more accurate with a 30"-34" inch sling.  Is this a well known thing or is it just me?

-Brett D in STL


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 3rd, 2012 at 10:05am
Almost everything in slinging is a "just me" thing. In this case you seem to prefer the exact opposite to what I do.

Title: What style slinging am I doing, is it a figure 8?
Post by freenarative on Oct 5th, 2012 at 10:49pm
Hi. I sling but have a style all of my own (I think). I do alot of martial arts and the moves sometimes cross over so I'm not sure if my slinging is a traditional move or something that I have transitioned over. If I describe it to you could one of you good people tell me what it is called please?

(For the purposes of this description I throw right handed)

1) Start facing the target head on and with feet shoulder width apart while holding the sling directly in front of you with forearms parallel to the ground but with elbows slightly bent.

(2-6 to be done in one fluid motion)

2) let go of the pouch and allow it to drop perpendicular to the ground

3) keep it swinging until it is out to your right hand side

4) when it is out to the right swing it in one full circle over the head*

*5) finally when the pouch is directly behind you in the "full circle" twist the body to the left while bending at the knees to dramatically increase the speed of the last part of the swing where you,,,

6) whip your arm down to your left side as fast as possible releasing the grip when the hand is in front of the head.

Soooo,,,, what is this move called please?

Title: Re: What style slinging am I doing, is it a figure
Post by Pans on Oct 6th, 2012 at 3:13am
From my basic grasp of some different styles it sounds like a fusion of "byzantine" style and figure 8. If I understood your steps correctly it starts from a position similar to that from which you would begin a figure 8 thow but then it turns into a byzantine with an overhead horizontal rotation.

The way I understand (and practice) the figure 8 is that the sling is held across the body parallel to the ground then swung overhand from the elbow. The sling then starts another vertical rotation that passes behind the shoulders parallel to the back. When the sling has reached around 180­° of the second rotation (perpendicular to the body of the thrower), it is then thrown overhand  towards the target.

Title: Re: What style slinging am I doing, is it a figure
Post by David Morningstar on Oct 6th, 2012 at 4:52am
Sounds a bit like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAQannIFnMI

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 6th, 2012 at 8:03am
Doesn't sound at all like Byzantine, IMHO. http://youtu.be/WADQStF-Rq4

Try going through the videos in the Frequently Asked Questions thread and see what is closest to your style.

Title: Re: What style slinging am I doing, is it a figure
Post by Dan on Oct 8th, 2012 at 8:30am

David Morningstar wrote on Oct 6th, 2012 at 4:52am:
Sounds a bit like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAQannIFnMI



The above video David posted sounds exactly like what you are doing. That's just a personalized figure 8. What kind of martial arts did/do you do?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Oct 8th, 2012 at 2:02pm
If I want to cast a really authentic museum-quality lead bullet, what do I do?  Apparently I can buy one for $50-$250 online and use it for a mold.  Is there another way?  Maybe someone has already cast an authentic bullet and I can buy one from someone on this site to use as a "starter" for new molds?  Obviously I could just make one out of clay or wax and use that, but I was hoping to be able to say "this is an authentic reproduction of a...."

-Brett D in STL

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 8th, 2012 at 4:08pm
The marketplace section is where we deal with buying and selling sling resources. AFAIK no one on here has exactly reproduced a glans using a physical artifact as their starting place. A few people do work with lead, though; and I know that some used pictures of artifacts as reference. A search for "lead" should be beneficial to you if you decide to start with wax or clay, we have multiple threads about that.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by blackfur2 on Oct 8th, 2012 at 4:25pm
hi all hope this is the right place for this post

today i was walking along the beach with my dog and found a old leather welding glove washed up and thought to my self a could use that to make a sling after a good clean a got a bit of nice leather about 9x6 inch  to work with  :)

so heres the question witch is the best leather sling to make for use with tennis balls and maybe stones at sum point,


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 8th, 2012 at 4:31pm
Take your pick, as long as you make the pouch big enough any design will work the same. There really isnt a "best" sling for anything. http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1318921055

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Oct 8th, 2012 at 4:43pm
You want to use full grain leather and stay away from leather splits.

Full grain leather has two sides. A smooth surface, it is called the hair side and a rough of fuzzy side called the flesh side.

The hair side is essentually the outer skin of the animal and the flesh side is the inside of the animal's skin.  

Leather splits are where the hair side is separated from the flesh side. This split is also known as suede and is a cheaper and weaker leather and more prone to tearing. If you made a pouch of suede it would probably tear at the attach points of your pouch first, where the strings are tied to the pouch.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Oct 8th, 2012 at 4:47pm
Yeah, and in most pouches "pleather' will either tear or won't act as well as leather. Other than that, any real leather should work allright.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Oct 8th, 2012 at 5:04pm
Just like in real life, thickness counts. Nothing too thick.

Soft leather works better than stiff leather in many cases however stiff leather seems to work fine in split leather pouches or similar design.


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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 8th, 2012 at 5:38pm
My Naschitti Sniper sling works great and it's 8 oz. full grain, veg tanned leather. Pretty thick stuff and not cupped or split. It's all up to opinion.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Ney on Oct 8th, 2012 at 5:58pm
Is there a reason so many Balearic slingers use thick cords on their slings?
Does it have a practical value or is it just a tradition?

Thanks

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by blackfur2 on Oct 10th, 2012 at 7:05pm
Thanks guys a made the boat sling works well for tennis ball . It's Is spilt leather but was free so cant complain looks like the pouch may spilt as you said but am not to bothered will need to find sum 2 sided leather and maybe save the rest of the glove for makeing finger loops :)  what is a Naschitti sniper sling ?? What do you mean by sniper do u mean quite ??

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:14pm
Naschitti Sniper is a member of the forum who makes and sells leather slings. I have a Balearian. http://larronstraditionalleatherslings.yolasite.com/products-and-pricing.php

Ney, a little bit of both. Off the top of my head I can tell you that the cords have to be a certain thickness in order to sew on the leather that they use and that thicker cords are easier to braid than thin. They could just use another sling design or let people use whatever design they want, and that's where tradition comes in.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:21pm
You may be able to find some decent leather in used coats at a second hand store or other community outreach and assistance facility. Before I had the money to purchase exactly what I wanted I used to hit the Salvation Army and Goodwill. As a kid, with an old Singer sewing machine which I still have and suede and leather coats from the second hand store I made quivers, gloves, mitts, hats, bags, packs, slings, whatever. You can braid strands of leather cut from old leather clothing and really expand what can be made. I don't know what kind of second hand outlets may be around where you live but it may be a place to look. I still hit the second hand stores for wool and fleece clothing and occasionally snatch up garment leather too.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Ney on Oct 11th, 2012 at 5:58am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 9:14pm:
Naschitti Sniper is a member of the forum who makes and sells leather slings. I have a Balearian. http://larronstraditionalleatherslings.yolasite.com/products-and-pricing.php

Ney, a little bit of both. Off the top of my head I can tell you that the cords have to be a certain thickness in order to sew on the leather that they use and that thicker cords are easier to braid than thin. They could just use another sling design or let people use whatever design they want, and that's where tradition comes in.


Thanks Mas, I appreciate it. It does make sense after I watched how they make their slings, they've got some interesting sling making methods.  :)

One more question, do round and flat braids have any difference except cosmetic?

Thanks

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by curious_aardvark on Oct 11th, 2012 at 7:26am
round braids - in my opinion - make for better sling.
Just seems to work better.

Flat braids can be a bit stiff whereas the round braids seem more flexible.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Oct 11th, 2012 at 10:38am
I agree with CA and add that the type of material used for your braid makes a difference as well and most materials can be worked to soften them up. Of course I come from the flat and tapered braided sling cord camp. The picture I posted is one of my personal favorites and the one I carry with me all the time. It has a full grain leather pouch and five strand flat braid. The whole thing is very soft, pliable and throws anything I put in it. Still in search of the perfect sling, this is a top contender.

Title: Stones slipping out
Post by NeilG on Oct 17th, 2012 at 6:09am
I used to use a home-made sling with a wide denim pouch, slung apples and tennis-balls and occasional beach-pebbles fairly reliably with an underarm style (releasing on the first cycle).

I've now got a woollen sling from Amdocraft, and am using (or trying to use) the Balearic style I've seen in many YouTube videos including the Mallorquin competitions.

When I use uneven/rough stones then I seem to be making a good start on the Balearic style, with stones going increasingly directly in front of me (not quite ready to aim at targets yet!).

BUT on smooth/round stones or tennis balls, the stone almost always slips out as I spin it for the first time behind me, before casting it forward.   (Fortunately I've been making sure there's no-one near me while practising!!).  So, instead of being able to cast the stone forward, it disappears behind and left.

So ... help!  Any suggestions?

Title: Re: Stones slipping out
Post by etenil on Oct 17th, 2012 at 6:24am
Usually projectiles slip when the pouch is either to small or too big for the ammo. Irregular ammo would stick better to the pouch because the irregular bits offer a better grip onto the pouch.

I've never used wool, it might be a very smooth, in that case try to use rougher ammo, like concrete eggs. Another reason could be that your rotations are not fast enough for the centrifugal force to hold your projectile at the bottom of the pouch and it falls out.

Maybe a picture of your sling with the ammo that slips through would help get a better understanding of the problem.

Title: Curious about Balearic competition scores
Post by NeilG on Oct 17th, 2012 at 6:28am
I've been reading a little about Balearic slinging competitions

So, we have a 0.5 metre circular target in a 1.2 metre square target.
From c. 20m, the men launch 5 stones, and get 2 points for a hit on the circle and 1 point for a hit on the square.
From c.30m they launch 5 more stones and get 4 points or 2 points per hit.

And children and woman do the same but from c.10m and c.20m.

So, the maximum score for a round of 10 stones is (5x2) + (5x4) = 30 points, right?

My question: what are a typical range of scores in the Balearic competitions?  What scores are the best slingers getting?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 17th, 2012 at 6:50am
If rough ammo stay but smooth ammo slip out then it's most likely a technique problem when you switch from you initial rotations to your final cast. Either you are suddenly accelerating and jerking the sling or you are suddenly changing the direction that the sling is rotating. An incorrect or badly made pouch wouldn't be able to sling rough stones any better than smooth ones IMHO.

As for Balearic accuracy: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294085312

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Donnerschlag on Oct 17th, 2012 at 11:20pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Oct 17th, 2012 at 6:50am:
If rough ammo stay but smooth ammo slip out then it's most likely a technique problem when you switch from you initial rotations to your final cast. Either you are suddenly accelerating and jerking the sling or you are suddenly changing the direction that the sling is rotating. An incorrect or badly made pouch wouldn't be able to sling rough stones any better than smooth ones IMHO.

As for Balearic accuracy: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294085312

^This, especially if the problem is occurring with a solid pouch sling. Focusing on fluidity and smooth throwing aught'a do it

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikaru on Oct 18th, 2012 at 10:31am
Or perhaps your pouch is too stiff, too flat or too thick.

Post a picture of your sling.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by NeilG on Oct 18th, 2012 at 12:03pm
My sling is as you can see on Amdocraft's shop:
http://www.amdocraft.com/shop/en/e10.html

I'm sure it'll be a technique issue given how new I am to all this, though maybe a bit of time will help the sling keep more of a 'cup' shape to it.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:06pm
OK... I've been using a very simple style but am not sure what it is called.  Start like Greek, (pouch held in front in left hand).  Let stone drop, throw overhead in a vertical plane (like a helicopter laying on it's right side).  Like the Apache, but with the stone starting in front.

What is that called if anything?


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 19th, 2012 at 1:50pm
Sounds like your personal variation on apache.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Oct 30th, 2012 at 3:41pm
Hiyo! So I'm about to embark on my first four strand round braid woven split pouch sling. Tips and suggestions please!!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Oct 30th, 2012 at 3:49pm
How many strands will you use for your pouch?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Oct 30th, 2012 at 5:44pm
I have four strands which I was hoping to fold over for 8 strands total(paired up).

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Oct 30th, 2012 at 5:56pm
Begin your sling in the middle with the pouch. Weave your eight then join your pairs to complete your 4-strand braided cords.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 30th, 2012 at 6:25pm

Tomas wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 5:44pm:
I have four strands which I was hoping to fold over for 8 strands total(paired up).

Like a rockman with 4 strands per side or like a Peruvian split pouch? IMHO Peruvian style pouches are easier to start on if you're going to weave a split pouch, and woven solid pouches are easiest.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Oct 30th, 2012 at 9:27pm
I was thinking fat in the middle and tapering down...
like this essentially:
Matthias: Looped Warp Pouch
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168848146  

If I start with the pouch and braid the cords out to the ends, how would I do the fingerloop without whipping? Some secret technique?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 30th, 2012 at 9:56pm
That's almost the same as a Peruvian pouch. I say braid from the middle and fold, it's easier to me.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Steven on Oct 31st, 2012 at 8:21am

Tomas wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 9:27pm:
I was thinking ... If I start with the pouch and braid the cords out to the ends, how would I do the fingerloop without whipping? Some secret technique?
leave a length of un-braided cords. tie off the end so it will not unravel more. fold back a length to make the loop.  splice the free ends onto the retention cord. You will probably need an awl or ice pick to act as a small gauge marlin spike. take a free end and chase an original lay till the splice length is  4 times the cord diameter. continue till you run out of free ends. ta-dah ... a short splice...

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Oct 31st, 2012 at 10:19am

Steven wrote on Oct 31st, 2012 at 8:21am:

Tomas wrote on Oct 30th, 2012 at 9:27pm:
I was thinking ... If I start with the pouch and braid the cords out to the ends, how would I do the fingerloop without whipping? Some secret technique?
leave a length of un-braided cords. tie off the end so it will not unravel more. fold back a length to make the loop.  splice the free ends onto the retention cord. You will probably need an awl or ice pick to act as a small gauge marlin spike. take a free end and chase an original lay till the splice length is  4 times the cord diameter. continue till you run out of free ends. ta-dah ... a short splice...


What he said...

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Ney on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 10:35am
So, here's a question about fiber extraction (yay!).

A few weeks ago, I got an itch to make a true balearic sling. I started with hemp twine I bought.
It's a 3 strand braid, doubled split pouch and a tapered release cord (it makes a really nice crack), but I wasn't
satisfied.

On the way home from school I saw a yucca in my neighbour's garden, so I "borrowed" some. ;)
As seen in this video, leaves are simply scraped off and pure fibers are left.

Now, I don't know what Mr. Camuñas did before with the leaves, but when I try to scrape them
all that happens is that the outer layer gets scraped and the green stuff between fibers is still there.  :(
I've tried soaking the leaves for a few days and I get the same result.  :-/

Can anyone give me some advice, it would be much appreciated.  :)

Thanks.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by jlasud on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:23pm
Not sure but,traditionally hemp fiber was produces by first rotting,leaving the stalkes in small lakes for a long time.
Maybe you need to soak it more..or try beating,pounding the yucca,then scraping..

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Ney on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 4:01pm

jlasud wrote on Nov 2nd, 2012 at 1:23pm:
Not sure but,traditionally hemp fiber was produces by first rotting,leaving the stalkes in small lakes for a long time.
Maybe you need to soak it more..or try beating,pounding the yucca,then scraping..


Thanks, I guess I just need to be patient. It's just one of the virtues slinging is teaching me.  :)
Also, to confirm your theory, I took out a leaf from the second batch (soaked for 2 days longer) and it's much easier to scrape!
I'll wait a week and report the results.
One thing I noticed from rotting is that it has an incredibly awful smell! It smells worse than a two week old rotten raw fish. I never knew plants could smell that bad.

Thanks for the help!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Nov 11th, 2012 at 3:25pm
I need an explanation of the following term: A rope/cord blends well / not well when braided.

So far I read it once or twice from Pikaru:

Quote: I was very unsatisfied with the cord because it was so stiff and didn't blend well when braided.
in: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335980338/60

So far I figured out that it is not related to a blended rope (means e.g. a mixture of two different materials twisted together into a rope).

Two photos of a well blended cord in a braid and a badly blended cord in braid would be helpful.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Nov 11th, 2012 at 9:52pm
These are all braids with cords of about the same diameter.

The top is hemp. It is the good hemp I referenced in an earlier post. I took a four strand round braid, added one more cord to make a five strand flat braid then removed a cord to go back to a four strand round braid. The ends of the cord feather well and are easily blended back into the braid for a smooth transition.

The second braid, the one in the middle is hemp cord. This is the stiff hard cord I got that does not braid smoothly and the individual strands do not feather well to blend back into the braid. The transitions from four to five strand braids are not smooth. This is usually where whipping can and many times is used. I like to avoid whipping as much as I can.

The bottom braid is jute in a seven strand flat braid. You would not have a smooth braid like this if you used a stiff cord, like the one pictured in the middle.

Teg, I hope this helps.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:23am
Thank you very much for this neat example pieces! That's perfect! Now I fully understand what you mean. With blending you mean how good the individual fibers of the different cords "mix" with the fibers from the other cords to form a "single" smooth piece of braid.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:24am
Yes. I like the felting qualities of this new hemp that I found. Once the cord is braided or twisted (plaited) I rub it with a cloth, the fibers bind with eachother and make a tight, smooth braid or plait (twist). I am still not in favor of plaited cord for the finger and release strings of a sling, it's faster to plait your material than it is to braid but with braiding I don't have to deal with wierd twists or tangles. Glad that helped.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Nov 12th, 2012 at 11:17am
PIK! That 7 strand braid is sweet, where did you learn how to do it? Any tutorials?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Nov 12th, 2012 at 11:28am
There are probably some out there in cyberland but I figured out how to do it mostly by accident. For all I know I'm doing it wrong.

I can draw up an illustration if you would like but in reality it's just like a five strand braid but with two more cords. You can do the same with nine, eleven, thirteen or even fifteen. I have found it works better with an odd number of strands. With an even number of strands the braid has a tendancy to slowly twist.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Nov 12th, 2012 at 2:00pm

Pikåru wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 11:28am:
There are probably some out there in cyberland but I figured out how to do it mostly by accident. For all I know I'm doing it wrong.

I can draw up an illustration if you would like but in reality it's just like a five strand braid but with two more cords. You can do the same with nine, eleven, thirteen or even fifteen. I have found it works better with an odd number of strands. With an even number of strands the braid has a tendancy to slowly twist.



Oh, cool. I guess there are more braids per inch than a normal five strand braid. I understand what you're saying. I can do Five strand allright, I like the idea of using that basic method of braid but with more strands. Thanks.  :)

Title: War Slings?
Post by woodssj on Nov 20th, 2012 at 11:28pm
Hello again,
  I keep hearing about these in passing references, but I've nothing to tell me what it is. So, What is a "War Sling"?  Is it a Trebuchet? A Fistuballus?  Eh?
  I would imagine they are simply really beefy slings for really beefy rocks, but if someone would be so kind as to shed some light on the topic I'd be greatfull. Basic Parameters for Qualification as such would be nice too.

Title: Re: War Slings?
Post by Rofriedrich on Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:09am
The big beefy brutes are what I consider to be war slings.

Title: Re: War Slings?
Post by xxkid123 on Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:16am
Supposedly they're extra long and beefy slings.

IMO they're really for kicks and not much more. I would much rather trust my life with the sling I train with every day (well for me that would be more along the lines of months  :-X) than with an extra cumbersome sling that will release a half second later than what I'm used.

Title: Re: War Slings?
Post by Dan on Nov 21st, 2012 at 7:50am
They are thicker slings designed for larger ammo. It's not like one inch manilla rope but just heavier slings like a thicker baleric style sling is the most common style.

They tend to last a lot longer, and I am noticiably more accurate with them. They 'feel' better and can throw a wider variety of ammunition.

I'm a fan. I wouldn't consider them brutes or cumbersome, just heavier and a bit thicker.

A normal sling might have a 3-6 strand braid down the length of the cords, a war sling will have 10 strands. That's about the average difference. Every slinger I've sent even some of my lighter war slings too likes the heavy feel and notices a postive difference whern they try them.

The only dissadvantage is they take a lot more cord.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 21st, 2012 at 8:42am
They're long, stiff slings usually with thicker cords. Easy to learn on and adapt to and good at sending biconical lead ammo into a mass of enemy soldiers. As opposed to hunting slings which are shorter and designed to not get tangled in tall grass of low hanging tree limbs. Both are modern designations for these kinds of slings and not an indication of historical use.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Nov 21st, 2012 at 1:19pm
Hey people new question for y'all. I have a sling made out of wool and it's too stretchy for my liking. Is there any way to deal with this? Maybe a line of handstitching going down the cords? Maybe wax? Or something different...

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:21pm
A running rope stitch will help. Wax will not.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:24pm
You could try to felt it. But I have absolutely no experience with felting wool, so try it at your own risk ;). Keep in mind that felting usually shrinks the material considerably...

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by xxkid123 on Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:55pm

Teg wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:24pm:
You could try to felt it. But I have absolutely no experience with felting wool, so try it at your own risk ;). Keep in mind that felting usually shrinks the material considerably...


Yes, it would shrink a lot.

but I think someone did this before, just toss it into the washer with the water set to the highest setting or around 100F.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Nov 21st, 2012 at 6:12pm

Pikåru wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:21pm:
A running rope stitch will help. Wax will not.

What kind of stitch is that?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Nov 21st, 2012 at 7:01pm
A hand stitch would probably work or you can run a few lines on a sewing machine. The weave of your cords is not going to be too tight to run it through a sewing machine.

I like the idea of felting. It's on my list of future projects. There's a weaving store nearby with a number of felted projects on display. I will get pointers from them before I start.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Nov 21st, 2012 at 8:22pm
Thanks you always give good advice! I might try felting for a woven pouch...

Title: Re: War Slings?
Post by Rat Man on Nov 24th, 2012 at 12:35pm

xxkid123 wrote on Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:16am:
Supposedly they're extra long and beefy slings.

IMO they're really for kicks and not much more. I would much rather trust my life with the sling I train with every day (well for me that would be more along the lines of months  :-X) than with an extra cumbersome sling that will release a half second later than what I'm used.


Like Dan, I'm a fan of War Slings.  I use them all of the time and have no problems whatsoever with them.  Some of my favorite slings are War Slings.  They are not extra cumbersome. Not at all.
  Below are some War Slings that went camping with me last spring.  Only the top one was cumbersome,  because I made the cords too thick.  The others worked and still work fine.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Nov 24th, 2012 at 3:09pm
I have a couple of difference concepts working here with a heavy sling. I wanted an overlapping split pouch like with the Rockman but no whipping and to continue the weave on the pouch past the point where the straps cross over each other.

Eight heavy jute cords woven together with hemp. Beginning at the pouch with a fifteen strand braid which will taper down to the ends.

This sling is actually heavier than I envisioned but I'm too far into it to just toss it onto the scrap pile.
Honda_WarSling_1.jpg (135 KB | )

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Nov 24th, 2012 at 3:38pm
That looks good

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Nov 24th, 2012 at 4:55pm
Pik, I'm really looking forward to seeing how that sling turns out.

I have some jute slings that thick and they work fine, just make sure you taper the release cord sufficiently and you should be fine.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Nov 24th, 2012 at 5:04pm
I always do Daniel-San. One cord is completed and it's very fluid. The pouch however is stiff. I wove it tight hoping it will work itself out.

Thanks guys. Any other suggestions are welcomed.

Title: SITH
Post by ninja-slinger on Nov 25th, 2012 at 10:46pm
I only joined yesterday, but heard about SITH as a guest.  How does it work, and when is the next one??

Title: Re: SITH
Post by Brett on Nov 26th, 2012 at 10:14am
Can't be too soon for me.  

Title: Re: SITH
Post by archanetinker on Nov 26th, 2012 at 12:10pm
It works sort of like "secret Santa" except after the drawing, everyone knows who their sender and who their recipient is. It's a random sling swap where everyone that participates makes a sling and sends it out to someone. If all works well, and the shuffle is a good one no two people switch with eachother. This happened once naturally in the last sith and once because we had a late addi!tion.

Title: Re: SITH
Post by LightSlinger on Nov 26th, 2012 at 3:32pm
Lets do it!  I missed out on the last one...

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 26th, 2012 at 3:40pm
SITH is an acronym for "Sling In The Hat," which is a semiannual, organize sling swap.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300866147

Imagine standing in a circle and passing a sling to the person on your right. You get a sling from the person to your left. It's not a one on one swap, but everyone gets something new.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by ninja-slinger on Nov 28th, 2012 at 9:18pm
Cool!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Nov 30th, 2012 at 1:46pm
Hey anybody here use an iPhone to post pictures? I have an iPhone 4 can't seem to figure it out.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 30th, 2012 at 2:56pm
I have. Under the text box that you type in there is a button that says "Choose File." You'll be prompted to take a photo or choose an existing photo from your camera app.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by LightSlinger on Dec 1st, 2012 at 5:10am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Nov 30th, 2012 at 2:56pm:
I have. Under the text box that you type in there is a button that says "Choose File." You'll be prompted to take a photo or choose an existing photo from your camera app.


Any Idea how to get the iphone to not take such big pics?  I successfully posted one from my phone, but it's quite large.  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 1st, 2012 at 12:23pm
Choose file won't click. I guess you're all just missing out on seeing my slings!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 1st, 2012 at 5:41pm
Download the free photobucket app. It'll let you post photos within the text, and you can resize the photos on your iPhone.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by LightSlinger on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 6:03am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 1st, 2012 at 5:41pm:
Download the free photobucket app. It'll let you post photos within the text, and you can resize the photos on your iPhone.


:o  you're awesome..  Thanks!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 1:32pm
;D Nope, just practiced. I don't have tv or Internet so the only way I can access the forum is on my iPhone. In fact, that's why I got an iPhone.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by LightSlinger on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 8:17pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 1:32pm:
;D Nope, just practiced. I don't have tv or Internet so the only way I can access the forum is on my iPhone. In fact, that's why I got an iPhone.


And you don't think that moderating exclusively from your iPhone is awesome?!  Man, you're hard to impress!!  Lololol.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 2nd, 2012 at 8:46pm
Now that is dedication!! I'm still working on the phitobucket....

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 7th, 2012 at 7:37am
Thanks Masi! Technology defeats me every time!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 7th, 2012 at 11:54am
Aww, they "decluttered" the app and made it less useful. You can still post, though. Can you get your photos to photobucket? Go to your album and tap the photo you want to post. There's an arrow in the lower left corner, tap that. Select share by email, highlight and copy the URL, and then press cancel in the upper left. Delete the draft. Then come to the forum and start a post where you want the photo. Tap and hold in the text box until the magnifying glass shows up. Choose paste.
And...
http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m595/masiaka/?action=view¤t=rotate0214121724.jpg&evt=user_media_share
Voila! Cowboy Masi getting off work.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 7th, 2012 at 1:25pm
I'm diggin the felt cowboy hat! And if course no better feeling than getting off work on a Friday!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 7th, 2012 at 1:30pm
I'm looking forward to it. Sadly, that is not a current pic and I am not off the hook yet.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 7th, 2012 at 8:47pm
Alright guys yet another question: how do I keep a four strand based braid from twisting? Three strand braids I have no issue with but I figure I might as well ask!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by xxkid123 on Dec 7th, 2012 at 9:19pm

Tomas wrote on Dec 7th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
Alright guys yet another question: how do I keep a four strand based braid from twisting? Three strand braids I have no issue with but I figure I might as well ask!


Keep even tension, and don't pull too tight. I recommend hooking/securing one end down on something. Since I use finger loops on my slings, I'll just put the finger loops around a hook or door handle and braid away. With the three strand braid it wasn't as important to keep one end pinned down, as you only needed pressure on the three strands to braid neatly. With the four strand braid, you get a lot more neatness when you have a fifth bit of pressure tugging on the non working end.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by HunterGatherer on Dec 7th, 2012 at 10:06pm
Here's a question of mine: how do you make a sling crack? I read that if you make the end of the release cord all fuzzy it makes a loud crack when you use it. I can't get mine to do that.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:15am
It's like a whip. If the sling is long enough, tapers enough, and the end is shaped right, and you snap the sling forward and back like a whip, then your sling will crack. You have to get the very tip of the sling to move really fast, fast enough that it leaves a pocket of vacuum where it used to be because the sound of the air rushing to fill that space is what makes the sound.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:25am
Just wonderin, is tapering a 12 strand release cord down to 3 too much? Probably so, but live in learn I guess.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by LightSlinger on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:31am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:15am:
It's like a whip. If the sling is long enough, tapers enough, and the end is shaped right, and you snap the sling forward and back like a whip, then your sling will crack. You have to get the very tip of the sling to move really fast, fast enough that it leaves a pocket of vacuum where it used to be because the sound of the air rushing to fill that space is what makes the sound.


Also, there is something to be said for practice.  When I first started slinging I had a heck of a time getting the crack too.  Now when I show people how to sling they say, "Woah.  That sounded like a whip!"  I've also found that follow through helps a bit with the crack as well..

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by LightSlinger on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:38am

Rofriedrich wrote on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:25am:
Just wonderin, is tapering a 12 strand release cord down to 3 too much? Probably so, but live in learn I guess.


Ask yourself a question:  Does it work?  

If the answer to this is "Yes" then there's no problem.  The only thing I would worry about at that point is how it looks.  Not all slingers will care much about aesthetics but I kinda do so if a sling looks ugly to me I probably wont use it much.  In point of fact I have one that I made from Jute a while back that works beautifully and is possibly the best braided sling I own, but I don't use it much because it's ugly.  I guess its like a sports car.  They should work (get you from point A to Point B) AND look slick..

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Dec 8th, 2012 at 9:55am

Rofriedrich wrote on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:25am:
Just wonderin, is tapering a 12 strand release cord down to 3 too much? Probably so, but live in learn I guess.


I'd say it should be fine but maybe take it down to 4 strands instead. But, it realy depends on what material you are using.

As long as you taper evenly, it should look great and snap like a .22

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 8th, 2012 at 1:08pm

xxkid123 wrote on Dec 7th, 2012 at 9:19pm:

Tomas wrote on Dec 7th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
Alright guys yet another question: how do I keep a four strand based braid from twisting? Three strand braids I have no issue with but I figure I might as well ask!


Keep even tension, and don't pull too tight. I recommend hooking/securing one end down on something. Since I use finger loops on my slings, I'll just put the finger loops around a hook or door handle and braid away. With the three strand braid it wasn't as important to keep one end pinned down, as you only needed pressure on the three strands to braid neatly. With the four strand braid, you get a lot more neatness when you have a fifth bit of pressure tugging on the non working end.


Thanks I was pulling it way too tight. Immediate improvement and much easier and faster :)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Dec 10th, 2012 at 12:55pm

HunterGatherer wrote on Dec 7th, 2012 at 10:06pm:
Here's a question of mine: how do you make a sling crack? I read that if you make the end of the release cord all fuzzy it makes a loud crack when you use it. I can't get mine to do that.


Try using a 'cracker'. I don't mean lashing someone from the deep south to your sling. It doesn't work because by the time you get the last knot done, he runs away with your sling.   ::)

Use a small strip of soft leather. No need to buy anything if you have an old pair of leather gloves, edge of a leather garment, edge of a leather apolstered piece of furniture...

Attach a small strip to the end of your release cord. It'll eventually wear out and you just attach another one. When I have it, I find natural sinew or very thin worked rawhide works best. Sinew or rawhide has to be moistened before you use your sling but it cracks really loud with little effort. I sometimes like to use it as an indicator of a good throw.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Dec 10th, 2012 at 1:54pm
I just made some slings with artificial sinew spliced in at the ends of the release cords (9 strand braid looks beast with Artificial sinew) and they snap pretty well and are- AFAIK- durable as well. I'll put pics up soon

Normally, a nice tapered sling and a hard throw with medium weight ammo and you can get some pretty loud cracks.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by HunterGatherer on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:46pm
Here's another one: how do you de-fuzz a jute sling? I don't mind the fuzz, but I'd like to make a non-fuzzy one.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Dec 13th, 2012 at 12:20am
Run a lighter over it, they'll burn right off.

Title: cestros tutorial?
Post by Sons of benjamin on Dec 13th, 2012 at 1:09am
Hey, does anyone have a good cestrosphendone tutorial?  I've been wanting to make one for a while now, and I finally have some free time...

Title: Re: cestros tutorial?
Post by jlasud on Dec 13th, 2012 at 1:23am
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340710131

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Sons of benjamin on Dec 13th, 2012 at 11:57am
Ah... thank you.  That is actually the exact tutorial I was thinking of and hoping to find.  I appreciate it.   :)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by ninja-slinger on Dec 24th, 2012 at 9:36am
How do you make a tutorial?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 24th, 2012 at 2:56pm

ninja-slinger wrote on Dec 24th, 2012 at 9:36am:
How do you make a tutorial?

Come up with a novel idea, explain it on the forum, and get Chris to put it on the home page. That last part has gotten a little harder to do over the years. I think C_A's working on doing it himself, though.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Dec 24th, 2012 at 3:27pm
What kind of leather do y'all use if you make a solid pouch? I use some that's fairly thin and stiff, but throws very well. Arcane sent me one with a soft thick pouch and i very much like it. Problem is, I don't know what this is or where to get it. What's yalls ideas on this?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 24th, 2012 at 3:29pm
I buy bags of scrap leather from craft stores. You get a little bit of all kinds of leather.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Dec 24th, 2012 at 3:30pm
Good idea.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Dec 24th, 2012 at 4:19pm
I bought an entire half hide.  ;D
$58 shipped.

Made two quivers and I still have more leather than I'll ever need.  :)

From the slings I've recived in various SITHs, its quite apparant that I use much thicker and heavier slings than most. Cords and leather wise.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:30am
Hey any tips on getting more distance?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:45am

Tomas wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 9:30am:
Hey any tips on getting more distance?



Use lead.  ;D
That'll give you at least 50% improvments instantly.  :)


For actual improvement of distance throwing, refine your form and master slinging at about a 45 degree angle.

Put all of your body weight into the throw while still keeping it 'clean'. Make sure your palm is facing towards the target so you get a good spiral.

And practice, a lot.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:20am
Alright what's an average distance for a "yearling"?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Dec 26th, 2012 at 11:13am

Tomas wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:20am:
Alright what's an average distance for a "yearling"?

No idea. A lot of us didn't actually measure our distances when starting out and a lot of use didn't try for distance at all. Plus, the huge variation in ammo used gives a huge range of... ranges.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by ninja-slinger on Dec 26th, 2012 at 6:29pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 24th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

ninja-slinger wrote on Dec 24th, 2012 at 9:36am:
How do you make a tutorial?

Come up with a novel idea, explain it on the forum, and get Chris to put it on the home page. That last part has gotten a little harder to do over the years. I think C_A's working on doing it himself, though.

Ah

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Dec 28th, 2012 at 8:40pm
Regarding sources of leather, Tandy Leather is a national chain which has remnants piles which are very cheap.  The one near me has mostly heavy leather remnants, but there are some lighter weight bits available.  They also have nice selections of leatherworking tools and supplies, like eyelets and rivets.

I bought a bundle of heavy leather weighing about pounds from a vendor at a historical recreationist meeting (settlers from the 17th century, mostly) for $35, I figure I could make about 300ish split pouch slings from that, maybe more.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Dec 28th, 2012 at 8:40pm
that's "about 25 pounds"....

Title: Where do I find this?
Post by stalkingfox on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:06am
Hey guys I while back I found this pic and was wondering who created it? Is it still available?
cappaulfingerloop_621x768_001.jpg (82 KB | )

Title: Re: Where do I find this?
Post by Teg on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:20am
This is a "Captain Paul" sling.

He sent several around some time ago. I fear that he is no longer active as the last login was on Nov 11th, 2011 (go to members, sort by name and look for captain paul). But you can try and send him a message  ;).

Title: Re: Where do I find this?
Post by timu on Jan 8th, 2013 at 12:16pm
Looks pretty easy to make even if you don't have rivets

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Jan 11th, 2013 at 3:13pm
I've never had a Captain Paul but those who have swear by them.  It looks like a pretty good sling.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Jan 11th, 2013 at 3:15pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 24th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

ninja-slinger wrote on Dec 24th, 2012 at 9:36am:
How do you make a tutorial?

Come up with a novel idea, explain it on the forum, and get Chris to put it on the home page. That last part has gotten a little harder to do over the years. I think C_A's working on doing it himself, though.

Many of the tutorials made more recently didn't make it to the home page yet.  Maybe they never will.  You can find them in Aussie's FAQ section.  It might not be quite the place of honor that the home page is but at least for me it'll do.  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Jan 21st, 2013 at 9:44pm
Apache sling:

I am making a big apache sling (heavy with thick hemp and thickish leather), with the outside of the leather patch being braided cord sewed onto one face of the leather patch.  This means the sling is not the same from both sides - one side will show just leather (and the back of the stitching) and the other will show braid sewed onto leather.

Q1:  I that the right way to make an apache sling?
Q2:  Do I put the rock in the side where the braid shows or the other side?
Q3:  Should I cut the poutch a tad overwide so that the leather naturally cups?

-Brett

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Jan 21st, 2013 at 10:20pm
Yes that is the way to make an apache sling. You'll definitely want to use the leather face to hold your rocks. They will rip your stitching way faster than you can sew it back. I do think it's a good idea to make the pouch maybe 1/4 inch bigger all around so it wraps around the outer edge of the "arms" of your pouch. That way you can keep your stitches away from those nasty rocks.And it will cup and form itself in my experience. Hope it goes well!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 6:49am
Hey has anybody tried weaving with a heddle?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 10:05am
Yes.  I was the Heddle my class.

Ha!  A joke!  

What's a Heddle?

And thanx for the apache info.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by batty110 on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 8:21pm
I couldn't find anywhere this has been asked or covered yet, but how does one go about finding suitable natural materials?  Once they're found, should they be dried, worked with wet, or does it depend on the material?

Thanks,
Matt

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by lakeslinger on Jan 25th, 2013 at 4:26am

batty110 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 8:21pm:
I couldn't find anywhere this has been asked or covered yet, but how does one go about finding suitable natural materials?  Once they're found, should they be dried, worked with wet, or does it depend on the material?

Thanks,
Matt


Yes, I would be interested about this, too. Especially how to get fibers from the stinging nettle, that is very common here. Can the "poison" be inactivated just by drying or do you have to boil the plants (there`s a stinging nettle tea here). Does boiling damage the fibers?
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Jan 25th, 2013 at 6:35am

lakeslinger wrote on Jan 25th, 2013 at 4:26am:

batty110 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2013 at 8:21pm:
I couldn't find anywhere this has been asked or covered yet, but how does one go about finding suitable natural materials?  Once they're found, should they be dried, worked with wet, or does it depend on the material?

Thanks,
Matt


Yes, I would be interested about this, too. Especially how to get fibers from the stinging nettle, that is very common here. Can the "poison" be inactivated just by drying or do you have to boil the plants (there`s a stinging nettle tea here). Does boiling damage the fibers?


As far as I know Timann has some experience with nettles.
Otherwise see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezM528PiSrg for a very primitive way.
I think I have heard that the traditional way to get fibers (like hemp and flax) also works for nettles: e.g. harvest, rotting, breaking, combing, spinning (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jFn5Ml36xM). I never tried it myself but it's on my to do list ;).

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Jan 25th, 2013 at 7:48am
I've worked with stinging nettels a few times to make cordage before. I've even done it without gloves.  :o

Before cutting the plant down I take my knife and cut off all the branches (its pretty easy so there's no need to hold the plant or anything). Then scrape your knife along all sides of the plant to get the little white hairs off, those are what sting.

Then grab an area on the plant that you are sure has no hairs and cut the stalk as low as you can. Take a closer look and get the remainder of the nedles off. Lightly pound the stalk and remove the outer fibers and you are ready to go. You'll need a lot so harvest a lot but be sure to leave some to grow next year.

If you happen to get a few stingers in your skin, rub one of the leaves on it. I'm pretty sure the chemical properties of the leave counter act the stingers.  :)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Jan 25th, 2013 at 12:52pm
In my hands-on research I have found that depending on the region and people, natural fibers were prepped in several different ways but a common thread is soaking, scraping, drying then twisting. Sometimes fibers don't have to have fleshy parts scraped off but sometimes scraping or using a sharpened edge on the fiber will help separate the strands. For example, certain peoples in the South Pacific would soak fibers (not all kinds) in the ocean before drying, separating and twisting into cord. What I don't know is the science behind it. Is it because of the pH or the salinity of the salt water, is it an old unknown tradition where the science doesn't matter or is it something else entirely?

I would say that the best thing to do is experiement. If the fiber around your area is dried out or dead because of the winter season, try working with it that way. Pound it, soak it, soak it then pound it, twist it... whatever. You'll only learn by doing.

Heres one large bundle of wild hybiscus (Pago) bark I was able to cure and bring  back from vacation that I am going to strip and clean today to see what I can do with it. If it doesn't work I'll start on the second batch that I have prepped a different way.

Bottom line, experiement and learn by doing.
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Title: SITHS?
Post by Revolutionary on Jan 29th, 2013 at 5:46pm
how often do we do SITHs here? i just noticed the Christmas one and was wondering.

Title: Re: SITHS?
Post by Dan on Jan 29th, 2013 at 5:57pm
We usually have them semi anually.

Roughly one big SITH a season. But there are sling give aways and small trades happening all the time.


Title: Re: SITHS?
Post by LightSlinger on Jan 30th, 2013 at 2:40am
Yep!

If you're interested, you can PM someone you want to trade with or alternatively, visit the Trading Post here...

Title: Re: SITHS?
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Jan 30th, 2013 at 7:04am
Yeah, SITHS happens everytime someone declare them  :)
But as Dan said, we usually have one or two per year, plus other little transaction.
We're like a busy seaport  :D
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: SITHS?
Post by Rat Man on Jan 30th, 2013 at 7:33am
Anyone can sponsor a SITH anytime they like.  There's really no rhyme or reason to it.  Usually one a season is done, but that's not a hard, fast rule.  

Title: Solid pouch attached to split?
Post by Revolutionary on Jan 30th, 2013 at 6:43pm
I was in school today and thought of weaving a pouch that was separable and then just attaching it to the split pouch. has anyone already tried this? and if so, what were the results?

Thanks in advance ;D

Title: Re: Solid pouch attached to split?
Post by timu on Jan 30th, 2013 at 7:32pm
Like a zipper?

Title: Re: Solid pouch attached to split?
Post by Revolutionary on Jan 30th, 2013 at 7:41pm
no, like you weave a separate pouch (probably circular) and then attaching it to your split pouch sling. ;)

Title: Re: Solid pouch attached to split?
Post by walter on Jan 30th, 2013 at 8:08pm
Take a look at timann's post next to last page in pics of slings & slinging.  :-?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 30th, 2013 at 8:36pm
I've attached a pouch to a sling plenty of times. I usually prefer to make it permanent, but I have made a temporary solid pouch sling before. Without the added solid pouch it was still a usable split pouch sling. To tell you the truth it never felt right, which is why I tried messing with it and adding a pouch.

Title: whipping?
Post by Revolutionary on Jan 31st, 2013 at 7:47am
i was wondering how do you do whipping to attach a pouch to your sling, sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm new to slinging and don't know

Title: Re: whipping?
Post by David Morningstar on Jan 31st, 2013 at 7:58am

These are the two kinds of whipping you will see most used here:

http://www.animatedknots.com/commonwhipping/index.php

http://www.animatedknots.com/westcountry/index.php

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 31st, 2013 at 10:33am
You should check out the first post in this thread. Questions are the mark of a man who wishes to improve himself. Stupid is being content with not growing your knowledge. Ask away. :) ...But maybe ask your questions in the question thread. Whipping is usually done to protect the fibers of the sling from abrasion, and sometimes for looks. ;) When the whipping wears through you just whip it again, instead of having the sling cord wear through and needing to braid a whole new sling.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Jan 31st, 2013 at 10:34am
I use nylon cord/thread for whipping and I cheat by lightly coating the common whipping with superglue.  I've never had a fail.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Jan 31st, 2013 at 10:44am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Jan 31st, 2013 at 10:33am:
Whipping is usually done to protect the fibers of the sling from abrasion, and sometimes for looks. ;) When the whipping wears through you just whip it again, instead of having the sling cord wear through and needing to braid a whole new sling.

   Though what Mas wrote is usually the case, with me the whipping is also a part of the construction of the sling and helps hold the sling together.  
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338672380/0#0
I've also used it to whip extra strands (warp threads) onto the sides of the pouch.  I use West Country Whipping.

Title: Braids
Post by timu on Jan 31st, 2013 at 4:36pm
Alright so when I started slinging last summer I wrinkled my nose at braiding and thought it was for little girls. Oh how wrong I was! Seems strange all my friends are playing video games while I'm playing with string lol
I am curious though about new and exciting(exciting for me that is!) braids/plaits and so I'm asking you for any you might know! I guess this could turn into a good thread for beginners to learn as well. Thanks ahead of time.
- Tomas

Title: Re: Braids
Post by Caldou on Jan 31st, 2013 at 4:50pm
The basics for (flats) braids is : the outer stand become the inner. Be it 3, 4 or any number of strands.

Title: Re: Braids
Post by squirrelslinger on Jan 31st, 2013 at 4:52pm
I can barely do a 4-strand... But can braid 3 strand very fast.
some intresting ones-
12 strand kernmantle braid... used to make rope sheaths...
the drummer's plait(easy)
the continous crown(medium)
the spanish (something i cannot remeber)- this one looks very cool!
there are others.....

Title: Re: Braids
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 31st, 2013 at 5:40pm
There's a braiding resource on the home page, at least one braiding technique in Aussie's FAQ's, one of our former moderators added a braiding section to her website, our very own Timothy Potter has a section of tutorials on his website, and we have numerous threads on more complex kumihimo braiding. I can also remember a couple of threads compiling braiding techniques, but I don't have the time to do a proper search.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Revolutionary on Feb 1st, 2013 at 7:35am
I've also been having some trouble braiding, but its mostly attaching the braids to the sling that I have trouble with

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Feb 1st, 2013 at 8:14am
Wow that's enough braiding to keep me busy for a while! Apparently you can do letters. I'm gonna try that next!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 1st, 2013 at 12:11pm

prd000 wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 7:35am:
I've also been having some trouble braiding, but its mostly attaching the braids to the sling that I have trouble with

Have you tried just braiding the entire sling in one piece?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by walter on Feb 1st, 2013 at 3:11pm

Brett wrote on Jan 31st, 2013 at 10:34am:
I use nylon cord/thread for whipping and I cheat by lightly coating the common whipping with superglue.  I've never had a fail.

I always used common whipping. Now i'm really liking bow string serving  8-)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Revolutionary on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 1:47pm
masia, yes that was originally what i tried to do, and also how do you take multiple natural fibers such as the ones in a coconut husk and make a string long enough to braid? :-/

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Caldou on Feb 2nd, 2013 at 2:11pm
You start with not so long fibers and when one is almost finished, you take another and you continue braiding with both at the same time.

Or you start spinning, but I don't know if coconut husk are good spinning material

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 8:06am
You can either initailly reverse twist the fibers and add in the new fibers as you reverse twist or, just add in the new pieces as you braid, allowing an inch or 2 of overlap.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Revolutionary on Feb 3rd, 2013 at 4:28pm
Thanks!!!! ;D

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Okieslinger on Feb 6th, 2013 at 9:30pm
Can anyone provide information concerning cobra or asymetrical slings? Specifically, what advantages does the unique pouch design provide, what is the optimal length and width of this type of pouch, and is this a modern design or is there historical evidence of this type of sling.   Lastly, can anyone provide a link to a picture of this type of sling in use? Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 6th, 2013 at 11:07pm
The asymmetric pouch produces more spin upon release than a smaller symmetric pouch, but suffers from less drag than a pouch with equal length... wings (? i cant think of a better term) on each side. More spin for our purposes means better spin stabilization. The projectile sits in the widest part of the pouch, the pouch tapers slowly toward the release end, and it tapers quickly toward the retention end.

Optimal depends on too many factors to peg down. Experiment until you find what works for you.

There's very little evidence for historical sling designs at all because the materials for making slings break down quickly in the archaeological record.

I also can't seem to find any images of a sling being used where you can clearly tell what the pouch shape is.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Okieslinger on Feb 6th, 2013 at 11:14pm
Thank you.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rofriedrich on Feb 8th, 2013 at 1:00am
On a tapered release cord is it necessary to secure the dropped strand or should the braid tension prevent pull out? Thanks for responces.

Ron

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 8th, 2013 at 6:14am
I usually just cut them off. Occasionally they'll start coming out on their own if the cord material is synthetic. For a sling that I want to look nice I'll splice the end of a dropped strand into the middle of a strand that continues.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Feb 8th, 2013 at 2:48pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Feb 8th, 2013 at 6:14am:
I usually just cut them off. Occasionally they'll start coming out on their own if the cord material is synthetic. For a sling that I want to look nice I'll splice the end of a dropped strand into the middle of a strand that continues.


Thats a good idea!

Usually you can just leave the extra bit of cord out and thr braid retention will hold it in. Sometimes I'll fluff up the end of the cord and twist it in so its a little more uniform.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 10th, 2013 at 6:21pm
I mainly use Jute, and i have never had a problem with a tapered cord. However, jute is rough, and holds together REALLY well.
Its also cheap. back to the question- modern, synthetic fibers often will come out, it helps if you braid it really tight. also, take a lighter and melt the end of the cord, and make it sorta weld to the rest of the braid...
-Squirrel

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 10th, 2013 at 6:24pm
Also, some people I know sew the cord end to another cord, and finish the braid...
-Squirrel

Title: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Rock Head on Feb 12th, 2013 at 1:37pm
;DHello everyone I wanted to make this thread because i did not see one that centralized all of the thoughts this one may end containing.

I became interested in slings when I read a few historical articals on the millitary use of the sling (many from this very site). I noticed however that I still had a few questions about this, not the tactics but of the sling, ammo, and tecnique from a modern perspective.

Can a sling be used as a front line offensive weapon? That is, with a flat, straight line trajectory.
I have read in historical articles of this being done. Specifically of a tribe in madagascar whose slings at 50 yards were as  deadly as firearms.

To achieve this a sling would have to be accurate, precise, and generate enough kinetic energy to be lethal.  SO...

A. What are some tips for acheiving a consistent throw?

B. How does one achieve accuracy and precision without sacrficing kinetic energy or vise versa?

C. What factors of a sling help or hinder the production of kinetic energy and what are the limitations? (I.E. Sling length VS RPM VS Ammo weight?

D. Is it better to keep ammo light and achieve a high velocity or to increase ammo weight? ( most far distances are obtained with 2-3oz ammo as where most war slings were said to have 8-21oz ammo)


Like I said, I am very new to the actual art of slinging and if there are any things I am overlooking or if I am simply repeating a thread let me know.    Thank you!  Can't wait to hear from you all! ROCK ON!



Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Caldou on Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:17pm
I only have answers for the points A and B :
Take the train a lot. :-?

Errrr, let's keep only the "Train a lot" part. Perfect consistent shot is only obtainable by repetition of perfect practice with perfectly egal ammo.
At fisrt, you will have to train without putting all your power into your throws, and you will be able to gradually increase it, getting to an optimum point where you can deliver max power on a small dot for a long time.

To be honest, to get to this point, you will not be "training". You will have to endure "Training from Hell" as an introduction course and then you may graduate ;)

For the last point, I will be extremly precise : it depends.
Mostly of you, of the sling you train with, of the ammo you train with... of your limitations and goals :)


Last note : don't expect to be as precise as modern snipers and as powerful as a rocket launcher... Madagascar's firearms in 1500 were not up to our current level ;)


Enjoy yourself and your slinging time ^^

BTW : what is RPM ? Retardateur Pour Montagnards ?

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 12th, 2013 at 2:57pm
true... but i think we might be able to match a .22 for power and a .30 winmag for accuracy :D
JJ on the .300... maybe a bbgun's accuracy?
-Squirrel

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by cavemanzhi on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:11pm

Quote:
BTW : what is RPM ? Retardateur Pour Montagnards ?

I took it as revolutions per minute in regard to how quickly you're spinning the sling before the release.

I am very new to slinging as well Rock Head, so I might not be the best source,  but the slings role in the whole ordeal is relatively minute. So just as Caldou said, you need lots and lots of training, and then some. Be consistent in every aspect that is in your control, i.e. pick one technique, use the same sling, and pick a type of ammunition that you can reuse or reproduce easily that won't vary in size/shape.

This isn't specific to slinging, it's how you get better at just about anything. I can't speak to any of the sciencey stuff you asked though.

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Rock Head on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:39pm
lol thanks for the advice caldou cant wait to graduate  ;)

@squirrel slinger do you really think it is only about a .22 round equvalent for power

cavemanzhi i hear you seems like i need to go buy some racket or tennis balls

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:40pm
It's not the RPM's of the initial rotations that count, the majority of the release velocity is developed in the final thrust phase of the throw which is always well under a single revolution. So do not try to make the initial revolutions too fast as doing so will destroy your coordination and consequently reduce your speed, not to mention reducing your accuracy. Good slinging looks effortless. Have a look at 'Mr. Jaegoor's' videos on YT.

Answers

A. Learn a good technique like Fig.8, helicopter or sidearm and practice. Video yourself as a substitute for coaching which is difficult to get.

B. As you get better your velocity will also increase. Don't worry about 'power' just concentrate on being able to hit your target. Remember a sling will never be a 30-06, but it can be deadly.

C. Don't fall for the longer is better idea. It's very easy to get a sling which is so long you won't be able to use it efficiently. It's unlikely that a sling over 30" will be good for you as a beginner. Learn your technique, experiment later.

D. Excessively light ammo won't necessarily go a lot faster and very heavy ammo will also be difficult to sling accurately. I suggest starting with ammo around 2 - 3 oz. and experiment once you've got your technique developed.

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Rock Head on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:42pm
Sorry about the lack of punctuation. kinda in a hurry. lol

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Rock Head on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:43pm
Sweet! good to know. thanks Assie will do

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Aussie on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:57pm

Rock Head wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Sweet! good to know. thanks Assie will do



BTW That's "Aussie"   ;)

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Caldou on Feb 12th, 2013 at 4:08pm

Rock Head wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:42pm:
Sorry about the lack of punctuation. kinda in a hurry. lol

This is a forum, it won't disappear overnight ;)

So you can come back later, when you will have time to type.

Note : this is not meaning we don't want to see you around ;) Only that everyone can (and should) take his time before answering :)

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 12th, 2013 at 5:26pm
Keep in mind that just because slings are capable of 300+ yards does not mean that that's where you're supposed to hit targets at. If anything, that's more of the domain of "lob rocks at a large group" mentality. ;)

Notice how most tribes focused of accuracy well within 50-75 yards. At those distances, not only does functional accuracy become much more feasible, but you can even use fist-sized stones and still hit your target reliably. Just start by focusing on both form and getting your shots to go forward. Then, focus solely on trying to hit a target at 20-30 feet or so. Then increase distance and power as you get better. ;)

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Rock Head on Feb 12th, 2013 at 7:03pm
Thanks guys a lot of great info here! I will stick to the general guide lines and do some experiments after I feel a little competent.  Maybe get some hard numbers on the forces we actualy deal with when slinging! This will be awesome! ROCK ON!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 12th, 2013 at 7:43pm
I've merged this into the "Now Taking Questions" thread, its purpose is to answer any (straightforward) questions about slinging that you have.

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 13th, 2013 at 9:13pm

Rock Head wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 3:39pm:
lol thanks for the advice caldou cant wait to graduate  ;)

@squirrel slinger do you really think it is only about a .22 round equvalent for power

cavemanzhi i hear you seems like i need to go buy some racket or tennis balls

I dunno, but given I seem to be the only one here that slings 16 oz ammo on a regular basis, maybe!
i see how smaller ammo is better, but i still love me 42 inch rockman with an 7 inch wide pouch. made from poly, never wears out.
dang that stuff is DURABLE!!!
-Squirrel
my stones might be higher, and not having much comparison with guns( I do not shoot :() i do not have a simple way to know.
maybe a force-meter target?
with 2-3 oz ammo, a slinger can prob hit 300 yards on a good day and good ammo, decent sling. with my 8 oz ammo i can hit 200 on a good day. with my 16 oz ammo and the rockman, i can hit 180 on a good day. if i used a 50 inch sling...
with my 6 foot staff-sling and a 6 foot sling tied to end, throwing 7-9 oz stone, i can hit 250 yards on a GREAT day.  i have done it on multiple occcassions, at a park near my house on a 1500 foot frisbee-golf hole that is literally a line-drive
used 2 oz ammo provided by my cousin.
force-area is ( in my opinion) more important than speed, and a nice poity biconical sling bullet has PLENTY. i can sestroy cinder-blocks easy.
I need to end this post b4 it becomes an autobiography! :)
Oh yea, did I mention that a long staff sling is more or less a mini-catapult?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Aussie on Feb 13th, 2013 at 9:42pm
According to Wiki, your run of the mill .22 LR has a KE of 104 ft.lb or 141 J.

Now a 100 gram (bit under 4oz) stone slung at 50 m/s (160 fps) will have a KE of 125 J ie. just a bit less than a .22 LR but not too many slingers will be able to do that.

Slinging a 16 oz or 450 gram stone means you are unlikely to achieve speeds much over 30 m/s, to give you a starting KE of just over 200J ie. your stone will crunch whatever it hits but probably flies with a fairly curved trajectory.

Bear in mind, whatever the stone sling combination, ultimately the energy comes from your arm, not the sling itself.

Title: Re: modern martial use of the sling
Post by Pikåru on Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:03pm
[/quote]
I dunno, but given I seem to be the only one here that slings 16 oz ammo on a regular basis, maybe!

...with my 16 oz ammo and the rockman, i can hit 200 on a good day. [/quote]

How are you anchoring your sling? Are you using a finger loop, toggle or wrist loop?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Morphy on Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm
Squirrel,  you can sling 9 oz stones 400 yards and 1 pound stones 200?   :-?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:55pm

Morphy wrote on Feb 13th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
Squirrel,  you can sling 9 oz stones 400 yards and 1 pound stones 200?   :-?



I am also quite surprised. You might want to double check those distances, they can be easy to overestimate. It happens.  :)


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Caldou on Feb 14th, 2013 at 3:07am
It was not clear, but I think he used a staff sling for the longer distance (how much is it in meters, anyway ?)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 14th, 2013 at 6:08am
He can sling a 255 g stone 366 m and a 454 g stone 183 m.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Caldou on Feb 14th, 2013 at 8:23am
:o

That's quite serious feat, half a kilo for almost 200m...

Squirrel, is you are sure of the distance (and weight), please make sure you don't hurt yourself by slinging too heavy and too strong.
You are still growing up and building your body, don't ruin your future.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 14th, 2013 at 9:49am
Now you understand the incredulity.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Feb 14th, 2013 at 3:23pm
Anyone ever try using those tiny tennis balls (golf-ball sized) they sell at pet stores?  They seem like an ideal reusable ammunition if loaded with some weight.  The size is certainly better than a standard tennis ball.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 15th, 2013 at 8:34pm
with such a big staff-sling, i use 2 arms to swing it. it is more like a small catapult than a true sling. and yes, i am careful...
and YARDS are SHORTER than meters.... plus, at that kinda range, i am using a little wheele thingee. could be slightly inaccurate.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 15th, 2013 at 9:03pm
well, so here are the measurements folks- 58 inch sling. i will post pics. i adapted it for use as a hand-sling. i will actually be able to take a video tommorow!
staff is 75 inch long, bamboo!
total weight is about a pound or 2.
i do not use this thing often, i have to practice for weeks beforehand or i WILL hurt myself. i will do my first shot in months tommorow.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 16th, 2013 at 11:57am

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 15th, 2013 at 8:34pm:
plus, at that kinda range, i am using a little wheele thingee. could be slightly inaccurate.

Measured to some point of impact with the ground, or to where the stone rested? Could be that you're including the distance it bounced after landing the first time.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 16th, 2013 at 1:09pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Feb 16th, 2013 at 11:57am:

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 15th, 2013 at 8:34pm:
plus, at that kinda range, i am using a little wheele thingee. could be slightly inaccurate.

Measured to some point of impact with the ground, or to where the stone rested? Could be that you're including the distance it bounced after landing the first time.

oh I measred to where stone was... and some of the stone is Galena chunks(a very dense silvery stone, i think its some kind of metal-ore.)
so I am supposed to measure to where it hit? Gosh...
How on earth do Ifind inpact points on hard, grassy ground?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by curious_aardvark on Feb 16th, 2013 at 2:47pm
easiest way would be to coat the stone with a light coloured chalk before slinging. white or yellow should work. That way you should get a clear impact print as well as a fainter roll trail.
The french chalk that weightlifters and climbers use ought to work :thumb:  

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 16th, 2013 at 7:18pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on Feb 16th, 2013 at 2:47pm:
easiest way would be to coat the stone with a light coloured chalk before slinging. white or yellow should work. That way you should get a clear impact print as well as a fainter roll trail.
The french chalk that weightlifters and climbers use ought to work :thumb:  

THANKS!! So i have been measureing distances wrong for years... now those short slings do not look so good...

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rock Head on Feb 18th, 2013 at 8:52pm
Hello every one! :D been slinging for a little bit and used the tips you all gave. My accuracy has gone from 0% to about 10% and my margin of error has gone down considerably ( about 1.75m in diameter from center of my target to about half a meter). I also had my first moment when "KNEW" I was going to hit.

Oh, thanks for the KE figures Aussie! And C_A thanks for the chalk tip, will use.


Have fun everyone! ROCK ON! ;)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by jlasud on Feb 19th, 2013 at 12:10am
Also try to focus with a clear mind on the target,and try to make every move with the same angle,speed.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Brett on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 11:29am
You mention having a moment when you "knew" you were going to hit.   I've had those too.  They are remarkable and strong feelings.  One time in particular comes to mind.  I had just thrown the rock and had the "know it" feeling.  A fraction of a second later I heard an impact.  The impact was far to soon - it couldn't have been the rock hitting the distant target. Did the rock hit the ground? This created a tremendously confused feeling - what was going on?  the "know it will hit" feeling happened and it seemed like I missed.  Impossible!!!  The metaphysical fabric of the universe felt like it was tearing.

Then the rock hit the target dead center.

What had happened?  The release cord had hit a noisy branch (I was shooting helicopter style) and I had heard the knot striking the bush, which I had mistaken for the rock hitting the ground rather than the target.

As a completely unrelated point, I just fired about my 10th shot with an Atlatl.  Two of my shots would have hit a rabbit at 10 yards.  either I am experiencing beginner's luck or those things are innately accurate. It is completely, utterly, mind-numbingly depressing to consider that I am probably more accurate with the Atlatl after 3 minutes than with my sling after, oh... probably 300-500 hours of practice.  right now I'm going with the hypohtesis that I'm a gifted savant with the Atlatl rather than the (more likely) competing hypothesis that I'm a doomed, pathetic loser with the sling...



Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rock Head on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 1:15pm
Hello everybody! Ok, so how do wrist retension cords work? That is to say how does the acctual thowing proccedure differ from say the more common finger retension cords?


Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 2:04pm
You may find that it is different, but not significantly. Your anchor is your wrist, the cord still runs through the fingers of your hand from your wrist through your fingers, whichever fingers you prefer. About the only thing I don't do when I sling this way is use a release knot. I only started using release knots since coming to slinging.org a year ago. I've converted back to way I was taught and have slung for years. The wrist anchor feels strange to me because I'm not used to slinging that way but it feels good in a figure eight style.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rock Head on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:40pm
;DThanks Pikaru! I was wondering about whether to use a knot. But for me that begs the question, how do you end a three strand braid without using an overhand knot?



I love your blog by the way!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:43pm

Rock Head wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:40pm:
;DThanks Pikaru! I was wondering about whether to use a knot. But for me that begs the question, how do you end a three strand braid without using an overhand knot?



I love your blog by the way!

Try any other knot- I usually use a double overhand, it makes a bigger knot than a normal.
Many people just whip(wrap with thread) the end. I have tried this, and do not like it much. with Paracord and other modern cord, just melt the end into a blob. you can attach beads and then make a "lanyard" after the bead, or just knot it afterwards. on really thick slings, you can whip another thinner piece of cord to it, or make a loop, and knot it, and put a tassle on it.
These are the ways I have tried. I am sure there are others, including the monkey-fist( a knot I have tried), and maybe someone can list them.
-Squirrel

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:50pm
Some people fold the end of the release cord and weave a release tab from it. Others cut a release tab from leather and tie it on.

IMHO the monkey fist knot is too bulky to be a release knot. I use a monkey fist knot as a retention knot on my slings, though.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:51pm
You probably already know you can weave the ends back through the braid for a couple of inches to end your three strand braid. You can use a smaller diameter cord and whip the end but I try and avoid whipping as much as I can.

Thanks for visiting the blog. I've been both too busy and too lazy to keep up with it and that needs to change.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:55pm

Pikåru wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:51pm:
You probably already know you can weave the ends back through the braid for a couple of inches to end your three strand braid. You can use a smaller diameter cord and whip the end but I try and avoid whipping as much as I can.

Thanks for visiting the blog. I've been both too busy and too lazy to keep up with it and that needs to change.

LOL I try to get on slinging.org every day. I try to read the top 5 new posts each day in each topic, commenting on maybe 1 or 2 per topic, but it varies.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:55pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:50pm:
Some people fold the end of the release cord and weave a release tab from it. Others cut a release tab from leather and tie it on.

IMHO the monkey fist knot is too bulky to be a release knot. I use a monkey fist knot as a retention knot on my slings, though.

Retention knot? never heard of that. Please explain Masika!
-Squirrel

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:02pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Retention knot? never heard of that. Please explain Masika!
-Squirrel

As far as I know, Im the only active forum member who prefers not making a finger loop. http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172017416/2235

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:06pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 4:02pm:

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 3:55pm:
Retention knot? never heard of that. Please explain Masika!
-Squirrel

As far as I know, Im the only active forum member who prefers not making a finger loop. http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172017416/2235


Probably just the only one talking about it and posting pictures. The monkeypaw is just like a toggle.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rock Head on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:14pm
i have thought of making a retention knot instead of a loop but. Im  afraid i would just end up throwing my whole sling instead of just my release knot :-/

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:21pm
Hi all,

Ive recently made a fantastic new sisal fibre balearic. It threw great, and then it got wet! Unlike all my other slings that got wet it lost its shape and its rigidity to a ridiculous extent. Apart from adding leather to the pouch to stiffen it up etc. is there any thing else I can do to get that rigidity back, maybe some application or wax I can apply?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 8:20pm

Lugh-Lamhfada wrote on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 6:21pm:
Hi all,

Ive recently made a fantastic new sisal fibre balearic. It threw great, and then it got wet! Unlike all my other slings that got wet it lost its shape and its rigidity to a ridiculous extent. Apart from adding leather to the pouch to stiffen it up etc. is there any thing else I can do to get that rigidity back, maybe some application or wax I can apply?

Honestly, I like supple slings, especially in the cords :)
However you can always use beeswax to stiffen it up a bit, as well as increase it's overall durability. (Pure beeswax is far better than paraffin wax/candle wax/ synthetic waxes in general since it's far more grippy than sticky and greasy. It costs a bit more, but it's definitely worth it.)

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 10:18pm
A solution of watered down Elmer's Wood Glue or an equivalent. Don't let your sling get wet anymore. Wax will lubricate the fibers, may stiffen up a bit but use beeswax, not parafin.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on Feb 24th, 2013 at 11:07am
Thanks  for the suggestions guys. Il see if similar products are available here.

I usually wet most of my slings upon completion to get that looseness but with this one the rigidity made it throw beautifully and made it easy to load.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 24th, 2013 at 12:12pm
Did you wet the sisal at all? They treat sisal with a kind of glue as they spin it into cordage so that it'll keep it's shape as the glue dries. I typically braid with wet sisal and let it dry with the pouch held in a mold so that it throws better.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 12:12pm:
Did you wet the sisal at all? They treat sisal with a kind of glue as they spin it into cordage so that it'll keep it's shape as the glue dries. I typically braid with wet sisal and let it dry with the pouch held in a mold so that it throws better.


I soaked it when I was separating the fibres to dissolve the glue and separate it and braided it dry. A mold for the pouch sounds like a good idea, too late now I suppose il just reinforce it with some leather and it should give it better shaoe and rigidity.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm
Intresting. I do the same with Jute, but NEVER wet sisal until the sling is finished. else, the cordage just pulls apart.
Masika, I have a question- has anyone ever made a sling out of Manila???

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:30pm
yup me

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:42pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
else, the cordage just pulls apart

Yup, I was pleasantly surprised by that. :) Makes it easy to pull out any strands too short to make a smooth sisal sling and untwist the stands to make it approximate a sling made with loose fibers.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:46pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
else, the cordage just pulls apart

Yup, I was pleasantly surprised by that. :) Makes it easy to pull out any strands too short to make a smooth sisal sling and untwist the stands to make it approximate a sling made with loose fibers.

I was UNPLEASANTLY [smiley=angry.gif] surprised when the sling I was making started unweaving itself.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on Feb 24th, 2013 at 2:20pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
Intresting. I do the same with Jute, but NEVER wet sisal until the sling is finished. else, the cordage just pulls apart.
Masika, I have a question- has anyone ever made a sling out of Manila???



I had to soak it when it was pre manufactured twine to break it into individual fibres, but I let it dry for days before braiding the bunches of fibres.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Feb 24th, 2013 at 2:29pm
It's not always the fiber's fault kid. Sometimes it's the weave or braid chosen. The shorter the fibers are, the tighter your weave must be. If your sling is falling apart your weave is either not tight enough or there is not enough surface area to keep your strands together, or both.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Pikåru on Feb 24th, 2013 at 2:39pm

Lugh-Lamhfada wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
Intresting. I do the same with Jute, but NEVER wet sisal until the sling is finished. else, the cordage just pulls apart.
Masika, I have a question- has anyone ever made a sling out of Manila???



I had to soak it when it was pre manufactured twine to break it into individual fibres, but I let it dry for days before braiding the bunches of fibres.


I don't know what fiber you're using exactly, however some fibers braid tighter when they're slightly damp and not wet.  Keeping tension on the finished sling while it dries completely can help it keep its stiffness, also if you were going to use a water soluable glue to stiffen up your sling, it's best to let it cure in this fashion, under tension. If through use your sling loosens up, you can retreat or better yet, try and find a fiber that does not need treatment, only care when weaving.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 24th, 2013 at 3:20pm
Totally. Next question someone else please....

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Feb 24th, 2013 at 10:21pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 1:07pm:
Intresting. I do the same with Jute, but NEVER wet sisal until the sling is finished. else, the cordage just pulls apart.
Masika, I have a question- has anyone ever made a sling out of Manila???



Me too, Made a pretty good looking Balearic sling. Lots of splicing but it works fine. The release tassle wore out very quickly so I spliced in a tapered artificial sinew release release craker (last 6" or so of the release cord) and it works fine now.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:39am
how do you make a cracker out of Art. Sinew? the stuff sticks together way too well to make a tassel.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Dan on Feb 25th, 2013 at 9:42am

squirrelslinger wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:39am:
how do you make a cracker out of Art. Sinew? the stuff sticks together way too well to make a tassel.



Not if you fray it out and sling with it awhile. The Wax subsides and it works fine.

I've done a 9 strand braid but it takes forever so now I use 10 strands in a 5 strand braid and it looks pretty good. Here are a couple pics of the manila sling with the Art. sinew cracker.





Rat Man, also has a sling with a AS release craker from the Christmas sith but he hasn't posted pictures yet.  :(

Title: Duct Tape pouches- whats their life span?
Post by Woonilsra on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:05pm
I tested out the two slings I made this week. Both like Malik Lunds, with duct tape added for a solid pouch. I like em, but im wondering how many layers yall have used for such pouches and how long they last for rocks, since those will be what have the most abrasion. Later I' want to try a split pouch, since I forget who's thread I read about making one, and it having a clean release (as opposed to what I think are moderatly messy rock releases) for tennis balls (ammo I could put to good use with large walls).

So, a month, two months? Couple hundred rocks, a thousand?

Title: Re: Duct Tape pouches- whats their life span?
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:04pm
I do not use duckt tape pouches for the most part, I prefer leather and other more durable materials. I have tried them, and do not like how they  grip, but I do use incredibly abrasive ammo- the same stuff I used as a rasp for a while. its a foamy abrasive lava, a normal balaric without a whipwrap, which would lasts >1000 shots with normal stone, lasts about 50 or less. I have used a duct tape pouch- a layer of denim, then 2 layers of ducttape.
Its cheap and easy but not too flimsy. About the thickness of thin leather, which is my normal prefered material. If you are having durablity issues, look up the Lightslinger pouch, its rubber(tire innertube), and is very, very durable.
-Squirrel

Title: Re: Duct Tape pouches- whats their life span?
Post by Masiakasaurus on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:19pm
I think it depends on how much you sling in a month and how rough your ammo is, just like with determining release cord wear.

Title: Re: Duct Tape pouches- whats their life span?
Post by timu on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:26pm
Pfft in Canada we use hockey tape.

Title: Re: Duct Tape pouches- whats their life span?
Post by slingingcanada on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:57am

Tomas wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:26pm:
Pfft in Canada we use hockey tape.


And hockey pucks for ammo eh. ;D


Sorry don't mean to take the thread off the rails.  Actually, I've a ton of duct tape, I make my nail dart cones
out of it.  I might give a pouch a try in the future.

Title: Re: Duct Tape pouches- whats their life span?
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:58am

Tomas wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:26pm:
Pfft in Canada we use hockey tape.

Nice, I might try grip tape if I can get my hands on it.

Title: Re: Duct Tape pouches- whats their life span?
Post by Rat Man on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 10:22am

Woonilsra wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:05pm:
I tested out the two slings I made this week. Both like Malik Lunds, with duct tape added for a solid pouch. I like em, but im wondering how many layers yall have used for such pouches and how long they last for rocks, since those will be what have the most abrasion. Later I' want to try a split pouch, since I forget who's thread I read about making one, and it having a clean release (as opposed to what I think are moderatly messy rock releases) for tennis balls (ammo I could put to good use with large walls).

So, a month, two months? Couple hundred rocks, a thousand?


  I like tape pouch slings a lot.  I don't make them because I'm too cheap and lazy to make a good sling.  I actually prefer the way they shoot.  They have a great feel to them and they're very easy to use.  
   My duct tape pouch slings tend to crinkle and split up rather than wear out from use.  After a few months the duct tape begins to fall apart on its own regardless of how much you use it.  Though it makes a functional sling, I usually don't use duct tape.  You can make a MUCH  better sling from medical tape.  Make sure you use the good type of medical tape; the cloth based type as opposed to the paper type.  You want to use the same kind of medical tape you doctor uses.  If you use the paper kind your sling will fall apart quickly.  If you use the good kind of medical tape you'll have a sling that will last for years.  It will be much more water resistant than a duct tape pouch sling and won't crinkle and crack.  (also like a duct tape sling)  I have some medical tape pouch slings that are years old.  If you're making tape pouch slings I strongly recommend using medical tape instead of any other sort.  The difference is night and day.  
   To answer your question, I use many layers... more than a dozen usually.  If you like, I can send you a medical tape pouch sling.  
  The center sling in the picture below is a big old medical tape pouch sling that is still in use.  
   BTW, a tutorial on how I make tape pouch slings will be appearing in Dan's book on slinging.  
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 11:08am
Hahaha you drew a rat on it!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:10am
It's not a Rat Man tape pouch sling without a rat on it!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:01pm

Rat Man wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 6:10am:
It's not a Rat Man tape pouch sling without a rat on it!

LOL, so if I doodle a rat on my pouches.... Why are you called Rat Man, RM?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Mar 5th, 2013 at 8:03pm
   Two reasons actually.  First, when I was a kid I put out a hand drawn comic book... Rat Man.  He was a Bat Man (huge TV show at the time) knock off.  Rat Man was sort of a goof ball and in spite of himself he and his sidekick Snobin, the boy that makes you wonder, defeated arch criminals like The Fiddler, The Poker, Fat Woman, Mr. Sneeze, etc..  
    Much later in life I bred fancy rats as a hobby. I built three huge six story rat motels and had as many as 140 pet rats at one time.  
    Hence, Rat Man.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 6th, 2013 at 10:23am

Rat Man wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
   Two reasons actually.  First, when I was a kid I put out a hand drawn comic book... Rat Man.  He was a Bat Man (huge TV show at the time) knock off.  Rat Man was sort of a goof ball and in spite of himself he and his sidekick Snobin, the boy that makes you wonder, defeated arch criminals like The Fiddler, The Poker, Fat Woman, Mr. Sneeze, etc..  
    Much later in life I bred fancy rats as a hobby. I built three huge six story rat motels and had as many as 140 pet rats at one time.  
    Hence, Rat Man.

Nice.....
Coolio on the comics, you still have a copy?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by teenageslinger on Mar 10th, 2013 at 9:38pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Mar 6th, 2013 at 10:23am:

Rat Man wrote on Mar 5th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
   Two reasons actually.  First, when I was a kid I put out a hand drawn comic book... Rat Man.  He was a Bat Man (huge TV show at the time) knock off.  Rat Man was sort of a goof ball and in spite of himself he and his sidekick Snobin, the boy that makes you wonder, defeated arch criminals like The Fiddler, The Poker, Fat Woman, Mr. Sneeze, etc..  
    Much later in life I bred fancy rats as a hobby. I built three huge six story rat motels and had as many as 140 pet rats at one time.  
    Hence, Rat Man.

Nice.....
Coolio on the comics, you still have a copy?

If you could find it that would be hilarious.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by lobohunter on Mar 19th, 2013 at 4:25pm
Packing tape sling
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Mar 19th, 2013 at 8:43pm
  Here's a better view.  
   Unfortunately, I don't have access to any of my old Rat Man comic books.  The only one that I know of that still exists is inside of a wall in what used to be my parents' house.  I put it there in June of 1966 when Dad was remodeling.  When Mom died the house was sold, which saddened me to no end because I thought that she was going to leave it to me.  The only way I can get hold of that comic book is to buy the house back.... maybe someday.
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Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 20th, 2013 at 3:28pm
Nice, I have made slings from paper-cord I made at school(no, not slings at school, DUH).
Paper makes a nice, strong, but not too durable cordage.
-Squirrel.
RM, couldn't you go ask the owners if you could remove it? I bet they might let you, if you brought materials to repair and a few $.

Title: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by NorthwoodsSlinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 3:48am
I'm having trouble finding a tutorial for a triple rockman sling. I've looked through this site and did a web search, but found nothing. If anyone knows of any instructions a link would be greatly appreciated!

If no such tutorial exists then can anyone explain to me how to incorporate the third pouch? I've successfully made a regular rockman, but I have no idea how to go about that extra piece.

Any help is greatly appreciated! Mods, sorry if this is a repeat question, I really couldn't find a tutorial anywhere.


Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 26th, 2013 at 5:30am

It it quite a new design to there isnt a tutorial yet.

I havent made one myself but I would start with the usual 3x2 braid. Then, a couple of inches before the pouch starts, add an extra cord to each ply so it becomes 3x3. This makes enough strands for a triple Rockman pouch.Once that is done, continue braiding 3x3 for a couple of inches before dropping the added strands to go back down to 3x2. Maybe drop again to do down to 3x1 for a lighter release cord.

 

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by lakeslinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 5:35am
As far as I know there isn`t a tutorial for a triple rockman, but the principle to make one is the same as for the standard rockman sling. Start braiding the retention cord. 2-3 inches before it has the desired length, you start adding more strands into the braid. Now the total number of strands should be divideable by 3 (i.e. you should have e.g. 9 or 12 strands). Divide them into 3 groups and weave the strands of each group together as shown in the rockman tutorial. The middle woven part will be pushed automatically below the outer ones. Now you have two options how to combine the three woven parts together:
1) the middle part is located below the outer parts on the release end, too. Examples for this you can see here: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1361492875
2) the middle part overlaps the two outer parts, so that they are below the middle part on the release end.
In my opinion the second option works better, cause it gives the pouch a better shape, makes a smoother release and is more rockman-like (a rockman pouch needs an overlap). An example for this option you can see on the picture below.
After combining the strands, continue braiding for about 2 inches then start tapering, i.e. skipping one of the added strands every 2-3 braiding cycles. Then finish the release cord.
I hope this post could help you.



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Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by NorthwoodsSlinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 6:15am
That's kind of what I figured as far as the strand count goes. I even tried to make one using 9 strands right off the bat with no taper and it was just way too much sling.

I've never added strands before, nor have I tapered a braid though I understand that process. How exactly do I go about adding strands? Also, what do I do with the excess twine from the dropped strands when tapering?

I'm going to start working on it later today probably. But for right now i'm waiting for the sun to come up. I have 75 snowballs outside that I dunked in water last night. They should be nice and solid by now  8-)

Thanks guys  :)

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by lakeslinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:46am
Adding strands to a braid is easier, when you add two instead of one by one.  It depends how you normally braid.  I´ll try to explain it with the braiding “over” method (the other would be the braiding “under” method).  Usually you take one of the outer strands , let´s say here the right one and cross it over the center strand(s) (eventually followed by another step like in the 4 strand round braid, where you first cross over 2, then turn back crossing under 1).  Then you repeat the step with the other outer strand, in this example the left one. O.k., until now, this is a normal braid.
Now you add the strands. Take a cord that is double in length like each strand you want to add. Take it at the center and bring it behind (=under) your braid, in a manner that the braid and the new cord cross rectangular.  Now you continue braiding using the method described above but together with the right outer strand you take the right part of the new cord. Do the same with the left outer cord and the left part of the added cord. Make sure that you make a tight braid, otherwise there will be a small loop at the center of the added cord. That´s all.

Tapering is also easier, when you drop two strands (on opposite sides of the braid).  Then you can fix them with a short west country whipping, i.e. tie them together with a simple knot on one side of the braid then with another knot on the opposite side.  When you want to skip only one strand you can untwist it, if possible, and then do the same as I wrote for the two strands.  

If you drop many strands on a short piece of braid, like it`s often done at the first part of the release cord, then simply cut the dropped strands so, that only a short piece remains. Then make a straight whipping over the whole tapering area.  Note, that a too thick or too long whipping can cause problems with the ammo release.  Therefore you could make also a reversed sling.  You start braiding from the end of the release cord, near the pouch you add the strands, make the pouch and then drop the strands and make the whipping. A thick whipping or a stiff part on the pouch-near retention cord doesn`t cause problems.

Good luck and have fun with experimenting  ;)

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by NorthwoodsSlinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:19am
I see. That's gonna take some serious focus at first, but I'm sure once I get a handle on the process it will be easier.

I also had a question in regards to the positioning of that third pouch. In the pic you showed it seems like the pouch is more rigid and could therefore limit the projectiles that can be accommodated. I would assume that having the middle piece underneath would make for a more versatile pouch capable of holding projectiles of different shapes and sizes. Maybe that's just me though. Any insight on that?

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by lakeslinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:58am

NorthwoodsSlinger wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:19am:
I see. That's gonna take some serious focus at first, but I'm sure once I get a handle on the process it will be easier.

I also had a question in regards to the positioning of that third pouch. In the pic you showed it seems like the pouch is more rigid and could therefore limit the projectiles that can be accommodated. I would assume that having the middle piece underneath would make for a more versatile pouch capable of holding projectiles of different shapes and sizes. Maybe that's just me though. Any insight on that?


This kind of pouch I found very "universal" for different ammo. Maybe the picture doesn`t show it well. The pouch is very flexible and follows the shape of various projectiles quite well. No slipping out of stones, cause this pouch design is kind of self centering. In fact it performs better than the other variant with the middle piece underneath. I tested this, too. Here`s a picture of the non overlapping triple rockman:
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Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by NorthwoodsSlinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 11:32am
Right on. I guess i'll just have to make all of the variations and see which one best suits my needs. It's not like jute is gonna break the bank.

Speaking of jute twine, how is it for making the triple rockman? It's all I've used besides 550 cord and mason line. I hear good things about sisal. How does it compare to jute in general? If it's worth getting then I intend to pick some up next time I'm in town. I already have some hemp twine being shipped [hopefully] in the next few days. Which of the three do you recommend for the rockman?

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by HuntsmanSling on Mar 26th, 2013 at 7:52pm
Here is an example of my triple rockman. It's essentially the same as a normal rockman with just more strings. I cut 5 lengths of 17 foot cord. After the finger loop I cut one of the strings off, leaving me with 9 strings to weave. When I get to the pouch I do it exactly the same as the double pouch, except there is one extra set of three strings, from which I make the third pouch.


Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:21pm
I will do a tutorial tonight if you want me to.
I have the jute cordage and the time.

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by NorthwoodsSlinger on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:07pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:21pm:
I will do a tutorial tonight if you want me to.
I have the jute cordage and the time.


That would seriously be huge man! Can you do pictures? I'm such a visual learner. To me, textual instructions devoid of illustrations make about as much sense as any other real language I can't understand. Tell you what, if you can go all out on it I'd be glad to trade you... something. We can figure it out.

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 27th, 2013 at 6:53pm

NorthwoodsSlinger wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

squirrelslinger wrote on Mar 26th, 2013 at 8:21pm:
I will do a tutorial tonight if you want me to.
I have the jute cordage and the time.


That would seriously be huge man! Can you do pictures? I'm such a visual learner. To me, textual instructions devoid of illustrations make about as much sense as any other real language I can't understand. Tell you what, if you can go all out on it I'd be glad to trade you... something. We can figure it out.

All pics, I am currently typing it on Notepad and will post it tonight:)

Title: Re: Triple rockman tutorial?
Post by NorthwoodsSlinger on Mar 27th, 2013 at 7:42pm
All pics, I am currently typing it on Notepad and will post it tonight:)
[/quote]

You're my hero!

Title: Looking for the lowdown on THH style slings
Post by MickR on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:27am
I couldn't find anything using the search. Probably not using the right magic words though. Be my fault I'd say. I want to have a go at making a THH solid pouch sling, but couldn't find a tutorial. I'm sure I could figure it out, but I feel lazy right now, so thought I would ask. Anyone know where to locate a tutorial? Also, what size ammo can you use a THH for? Or is it a case of how big do ya wanna make it?! I want to be able to use various sized ammo up to tennis ball. Will a THH handle that or will it still be a case of multiple slings for various ammo sizes?
Thanks for any help,


Mick

Title: Re: Looking for the lowdown on THH style slings
Post by LightSlinger on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:47am
Uh...  At the risk of sounding dumb...  

What's a THH Sling?  

Do you mean a TSS Sling (Triple SheepShank)?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 7:51am
I also think you may mean TSS Sling or TS3.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by MickR on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 9:12am
Oops! Sorry about that. TSS is indeed what I meant. THH is a motorcycle helmet brand...And since I'm a Biker, I think I can be forgiven :).

Triple Sheepshank huh?! So it can be more than that then, for a wider pouch, yes? Does the pouch need to be wider? Or is it wide enough to accommodate the maximum size of a tennis ball as per original post? How long does it need to be? I guess I'm still on the hunt for 'the' perfect sling for me...Yeah I know the creature probably doesn't exist, but one does have to search first, to discover these things for ourselves.


Mick

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 3:32pm
An appu sling is a sheep shank sling with no weaving. A TS3 or TSS Sling is an appu-sling with a woven pouch. A PJ sling or Peacefuljeffrey sling is a woven 5 strand sheep shank sling. Dimensions are based on personal preference and slinging style. I make PJ slings that wrap around 1/3 the circumference of a tennis ball.

http://slinging.org/index.php?page=5-strand-woven-paracord-sling-tutorial---jeffrey

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by MickR on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 6:26pm
Ok, so not all Brown snakes are Brown snakes then! The same sling with a slight variation may take a new name. Thanks for the help and the links LS and MS. I can be a bit slow on the uptake sometimes, but I've finally (I think) got my head wrapped around this sling style. I will be attempting to make one in the near very future.


Mick

Title: Where to Get?
Post by hassan on Apr 9th, 2013 at 10:43am
Where can I get paracord and nylon cord and all that?

Title: Re: Where to Get?
Post by Arcane Tinker on Apr 9th, 2013 at 10:51am
Hardware stores. Camping outfitters. Army surplus stores. Internet.

These are the places in the states where I go for paracord, although your results may vary in your part of the world.

Title: Re: Where to Get?
Post by Bill Skinner on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:24am
You don't really need para cord, any strong string will work.  And if you braid, some string that you initially didn't consider will work.  Check out some of the various 6-12 strand round braids and some of the tutorials on flat braiding in the stickys up top.

Title: Re: Where to Get?
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 9th, 2013 at 11:57am
Go to the nearest walgreens. They have cheapo nylon/cotton/jute/etc utility cord. My jute is from such a store.
-Squirrel
Paracod- hobby stores, internet.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Apr 10th, 2013 at 5:36pm

Mick wrote on Apr 3rd, 2013 at 9:12am:
Oops! Sorry about that. TSS is indeed what I meant. THH is a motorcycle helmet brand...And since I'm a Biker, I think I can be forgiven :).

Triple Sheepshank huh?! So it can be more than that then, for a wider pouch, yes? Does the pouch need to be wider? Or is it wide enough to accommodate the maximum size of a tennis ball as per original post? How long does it need to be? I guess I'm still on the hunt for 'the' perfect sling for me...Yeah I know the creature probably doesn't exist, but one does have to search first, to discover these things for ourselves.


Mick

   For a tennis ball I'd use a TS7 (seven strand Sheep Shank Sling).   I've made them as wide as nine strands.  You can make them even wider if you wish but it gets ridiculous after a while.  Hopefully this will help to answer your questions:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338672380/0#0
   Don't be surprised if there is a perfect sling for you.
 

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by MickR on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:15pm
Thanks RM I saw that tutorial just yesterday and was thinking that might be just the way to go. Would it work using 'hootchi' cord do you think? Other than that I would have to plait up some sisal garden twine to get a similar thickness to what is shown in the photographs. Or is thickness of the cordage a non issue?.


Mick

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:42pm

Mick wrote on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Thanks RM I saw that tutorial just yesterday and was thinking that might be just the way to go. Would it work using 'hootchi' cord do you think? Other than that I would have to plait up some sisal garden twine to get a similar thickness to what is shown in the photographs. Or is thickness of the cordage a non issue?.


Mick

Eehhh... I have used jute garden twine(very thin, like 1mm) and also 1/2 inch rope

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by MickR on Apr 11th, 2013 at 1:21am
The garden twine I have is thicker, about 3mm and is Sisal. I have Jute twine as well that's about 1mm. I was planning on using hootchi cord, like 550 paracord but not as thick, about 2mm. Something that thin might require a 9 strand pouch to be wide enough for a tennis ball size, but I'm not sure. Not having made a sling in this method before. If my hootchi cord tri-band rockman style sling is anything to go by, I would say 9 is a minimum for the width of the pouch What I want is a single cord for the retention and release. I have enough braided cord slings for now and I want to try a single cord.


Mick

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Apr 11th, 2013 at 8:54am
I find I can get away with a pretty narrow pouch using a tennis ball. A little but if cupping goes a long way:) and that way I don't feel like my sling is limited to large ammo.  That's just my two cents!

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by MickR on Apr 11th, 2013 at 6:35pm
Thanks for the advice Timu, I guess, being limited in my skilll at the moment, I am unsure as too, if a tennis ball would stay in for my current fig.8 technique (or any other style really) in a narrow pouch. I have these images in my head of being surrounded by my comatose family, shattered windows and the dog, having been knocked sensless by errant tennis balls... :).


Mick

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 11th, 2013 at 10:22pm

Mick wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 6:35pm:
Thanks for the advice Timu, I guess, being limited in my skilll at the moment, I am unsure as too, if a tennis ball would stay in for my current fig.8 technique (or any other style really) in a narrow pouch. I have these images in my head of being surrounded by my comatose family, shattered windows and the dog, having been knocked sensless by errant tennis balls... :).


Mick

LOL man! Tennis balls don't hurt THAT much.
But one of my neighbors will yell at me if they get in his yard.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by MickR on Apr 11th, 2013 at 10:41pm
Depends how long it takes before you get hit I reckon. Early in the piece when the slinger is still fresh, or later on when the slinger is starting to wear out a bit and getting frustrated from missing you all the time... ;D


Mick

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Apr 12th, 2013 at 7:37am
I'm curious, a rock is slung and it shatters against a hard surface. How hard are we throwing to make that happen?

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Teg on Apr 12th, 2013 at 8:51am

Tomas wrote on Apr 12th, 2013 at 7:37am:
I'm curious, a rock is slung and it shatters against a hard surface. How hard are we throwing to make that happen?


It depends on the rock ;). Some like bad crystalized quartz shatter into many small parts really easily. It does not take much force to make that happen. Other stones will bounce back like a rubber ball.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by timu on Apr 12th, 2013 at 5:48pm
Ya you're right Teg. I think I will pick a bunch of average river rocks from the same source and clock how fast they have to go to bust. That's good enough for me:)

Title: Materials
Post by hassan on Apr 11th, 2013 at 12:24pm
I want to know anything and everything slings can be made of, and how you make them. Its a ig task, but I wanna know so I can make a sling wherever, whenever.

Also post what projeciles can be.

Ex Post:
You can make slings out of x.

You make them out of x like this:
Step 1
Step 2
Step 3

etc.

My favorite (theoretical) projectile:
[edit]We do not allow posts with directions for explosives. Masi[/edit]

Title: Re: Materials
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 11th, 2013 at 1:44pm

hassan wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 12:24pm:
I want to know anything and everything slings can be made of, and how you make them. Its a ig task, but I wanna know so I can make a sling wherever, whenever.

Also post what projeciles can be.

Ex Post:
You can make slings out of x.

You make them out of x like this:
Step 1
Step 2
Step 3

etc.

My favorite (theoretical) projectile:
[edit]We do not allow posts with directions for explosives. Masi[/edit]

Well....
Just look here-
SLING MAKING TUTORIALS

(Note: these links direct you to entries in the Guides and Articles Section or to active threads where you may post replies.)

Aussie: Seatbelt Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243340828/0


Rockman Sling tutorial.
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=how-to-make-a-rockman-sling---bruno-tosso


David Morningstar: Shaped Pouch
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1235334392  


Matthias: Looped Warp Pouch
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168848146  


Zorro: Medical Tape Sling  
http://www.slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?board=1;action=display;num=1140522990;star t=0


Zorro: Sierra Nevada Sling
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=sierra-nevada-sling---zorro


Rat Man: Cobra Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1257543044



Rat Man: Three Strand Sheepshank Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251648259


Rat Man:  Alternate Method for All Sheep Shank Knot Based Slings:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338672380/0#0

Paleoarts: Elk Hide Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1246904983


Peaceful Jeffrey: PJ (Paracord) Sling  
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=5-strand-woven-paracord-sling-tutorial---jeff rey


Yurek: Easy Medical Tape Pouch
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231030050


Malik Lund: Simple String Sling
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-simple-string-sling-an-illustrated-g uide---malik-lund


Matthias: Knit sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1089409452/0#0


Cliff: Woven Paracord Sling
Guides and Articles entry with text and photos
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=woven-pouch-sling---colin-philips
Original thread.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1196026630


JustKnot: Knotty Sling Tutorial
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1170457410


Asemery: Woven Single Cord Sling
Simple attracive sling, (Video clip on YouTube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APExNLO1oHY

adsi: Basic Netted Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1244047803/0  


Jaegoor: "Honda Popular"
This is a particularly pretty sling from one of our German members. Requires good hand-skills to make.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1278497976


Donnerschlag: Shepherd's sling
This isn't a sling-making tutorial located on Slinging.org, but it was too good not to mention.
http://hubpages.com/hub/How-to-make-a-shepherds-sling


Alpine:  Lacrosse Mesh Sling Pocket Material:  
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298522212/0


The Warrior Yeti: Short Splicing Tutorial
Whilst not a tutorial on making a complete sling this information is helpful, especially when making braided slings.
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1248744802

 
Sons of benjamin
How to tie the fisherman's bend:  
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1298579543


Lampi100: Braiding a Sling
This inclusion was suggested by David Morningstar. (Not sure if Lampi100 is a member himself; great slinger either way.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFxoCrO2CwY

Sons of benjamin:  Latvian Braid:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300655156/0


Lightslinger: Lightslinger Pouch
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1353231480/0#0

                                         
David Morningstar: Beginner's Tennis Ball Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1305569221/0#0

David Morningstar:  Mexican Woven Pouch Sling (paracord)
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340105523

canteskuyaOMD: Reconstruction of Mesoamerican "Tematlatl"
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1339632628/0

David Morningstar: Cestrosphendone Dart Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1340710131

Braided "Survival Sling" (similar to Rockman's sling)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfxvrKUG0zA&feature=feedu
Teg: Knotted Pouch Sling
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1357568101/0

OK, enough tutorials.
You can make a sling from steel wire-
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8008/1013960.jpg
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1360520506/0#0

Cord Materials-

Jute cord(1-2mm)- can make a rockman, rocklaric, or balaric. You simply braid and weave.

Nylon cord(1-2mm)- Same as for jute, but better if you just braid, weaving is diffucult and it does not like to work well.

Sisal twine(about 4mm)- use like paracord. It is about the same thickness. It makes good woven slings.

Sisal garden twine(1-3mm)- use like jute, its slightly more durable, also easier to make a woven, cause its stiffer.

poly-cord(about 2-3mm)- rockmans are good, balarics tend to be a bit too stiff. It is slippery.

Hemp- makes a beautiful balaric/braided sling. Not great for weaving.

Linen- Never tried it, but as I have seen quite a few balarics and 0 rockmans, I assume it is better for braiding than weaving.

Paracord- Good for sling lines, makes a nice TS3, also makes a good woven, but it is not as abrasion resistant as sisal or jute.

Sport cord-(1-2mm)- sort of a thinner paracord. Very strong, durable, best woven or braided. It is thin enough to make a good woven pouch. Cups well. Run over it with a lighter and wax for best performance.

Paper- Waxed paper cord makes good cord material, it just is not super durable.

POUCH MATERIALS-
This is a list of the pouch materials I have tried or seen.

Leather- the #1 pouch material for a simple sling, very strong, durable, medium easy to find. Thicker leather makes a good aussie or cupped style pouch, the thinner stuff can just be cut into a diamond shape and it will cup to the projectile.

Wovens- the #2. Depends on fiber type, see above.

Denim (old jeans)- Medium durable, slings good with tennis balls, makes a good aussie-style. Best when coated with 1 layer of d-tape, with reinforced holes, or use like innertube rubber. It tends to pull of of holes(like most fabrics do) and fray at the ends.

Fabrics- not very durable, but massively varies per fabric. Felt makes a good, durable sling, but it can and does pull out of shape, best in an Lightslinger pouch style. Some are better than others.

Seatbelt material- Makes a good cupped pouch. I suggest you gently run over it with a lighter, it melts the surface fiber and makes it more durable. Cutting it with the cutting tip on a soldering gun prevents fraying, or just cut with scissors and melt with lighter.

Used Australian mail conveyor room belting- Well, the classic aussie pouch:)

Innertube rubber- Style varies. the Lightslinger pouch sometimes loses ammo, and is less durable than other styles. The one I use most you fold the ends into a M shape, then knot the cord, then wrap tightly with electrical tape. There is a tutorial listed above.

Tie-down strap- Best as an Aussie pouch for the thinner stuff(about an inch wide) or as a seatbelt sling. It is more flexible and thinner, and is sometimes more abrasion resistant because it is designed to resist abrasion, but that is rare.

Paper- thick paper, layered, or thin strong cardboard can make a decent sling, provided you put a layer of duct-tape over it and reinforce the holes.

PROJECTILE MATERIALS-

Lead- Undoubtably the best bang for your buck material for distance and hitting power. It is dense, and heavy, and not too hard, melts easy. Easy to cast and mold. Very popular in ancient times for war in well-developed societies.  It is also toxic and some what $$$. it can be found at tire shops- old wheel weights- and as fishing sinkers, which are pre-shaped for slinging. at $3 for 2 4 oz sinkers, it is not too $$$, but $1.50 is not super cheap.

Bronze- also easy to cast, but much harder, stronger, and it melts at a higher temp. It is also somewhat corrosion resistant. It is not as dense as lead. It is also more expensive.

Gold- soft, easy to cast and melt, but EXPENSIVE!!!! nearly $8,000 for a single 4 oz glande. Dense, almost as good as lead. Hard to get.

Steel/iron- Great ammo, I think it is overlooked. 3/4 and 1/2 inch re-bar is commonly found in a dump or near a broken-concrete dump. It is diffucult to cast into a good shape, as it does have a high melting point, but iron is easier to cast into a bicone. It tends to corrode.  Dense, but not as good as lead. Rebar cut into 2-3 inch lengths makes a good distance projectile. Plus its dirt cheap- maybe a few cents per shot.

Shaped stone- a lot of work for a little bit of ammo, but it flies good. Do not use it myself so do not know much about it. Ask Pikaru about it, he made some nice stones.

Clay biconical- very cheap, fast, good, but not as dense as stone. Also easier and MUCH quicker to make. However, unless you live in an area with natural clay reserves, it can be somewhat expensive, as shipping is COSTLY.  Or you can go to the pottery shop down the road... They probably have some.

Natural clay lumps/balls- good, consistant, fast, but can curve in flight. Cheap too.  can be a lot of work for some ammo... but not that much.

Dirt clods- good for beginning slingers:) Its what I learned with. I still use them.

Concrete-morter mix- good, cheap, and easy to shape. they sometimes shatter on impact. wet concrete is corrosive, be careful. It can also be abraisive.

Natural stone- Probably the most popular ammunition ever. Used for thousands of years for cheapness and power. It varies widely, from light chunks of volcanic rock to super dense round quartz river pebbles. landscaping rock is cheap.

the 1st time I have to worry bout too long post- its 10000 letters :):o
-Squirrel
:) :o :)

Title: Re: Materials
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 11th, 2013 at 1:45pm
By the way, that took me 40 mins to type.
:o

Title: Re: Materials
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 11th, 2013 at 4:29pm
Is no one gonna comment? I did not cover everything, did i?

Title: Re: Materials
Post by Dan on Apr 11th, 2013 at 4:33pm
If you've got the patience and the skill, you can make dang near any kind of sling from anything that's flexible and long enough (pine needles are obviously too short but sisal fibers aren't) and is relatively durable (plastic bags are reasonable, tissue paper isn't AFAIK  ;) ).

If you are just braiding something, just add in the loose fibers as you braid. Otherwise make everything into 2 ply cordage and proceed normally.

Page through the Sling and Slinging Pictures thread and you'll find a ton of designs. A lot of slinging and sling making is taking the initiative to do your own resarch and we try to make that pretty simple.

Look around and you'll learn plenty about sling making.

Regarding my favorite ammunition. I'll take allmost anything that'll fit in the sling pouch:Rocks of all kinds and shapes, tennis balls, wood, clay, whatever. Though if I were to recieve a large amount of free projectiles, I'd prefer 3.5 ounce FMJ lead glands.  :)

Title: Re: Materials
Post by MickR on Apr 11th, 2013 at 6:40pm
A very thorough response on your part SS. Well done!.


Mick

Title: Re: Materials
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 11th, 2013 at 10:25pm

Mick wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 6:40pm:
A very thorough response on your part SS. Well done!.


Mick

Thanks, but I am not sure if that was worth the 40 mins of typing...

Title: Re: Materials
Post by MickR on Apr 12th, 2013 at 1:15am
Probably not, but it's still a credit to you all the same in my books. You went above and beyond in trying to help a new bloke...Even if his/her motives may leave a little something to be desired judging by the edit note.  ;)


Mick

Title: Re: Materials
Post by Bill Skinner on Apr 12th, 2013 at 10:28am
Or you could have pointed out that all the stickies up top answer all his questions.  Some people don't read them, they think that they are all some type of advertising or are just admin notes.

Title: Re: Materials
Post by hassan on Apr 12th, 2013 at 12:45pm
Oops. Sorry bout the thing that got editedd.

Squirrel, you made my week. You are super-awesome and helpful. I'm just not great at sifting through forums for info.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Materials
Post by Caldou on Apr 12th, 2013 at 1:57pm
I just want to point out that TIAT is not Asemery

Hassan, if you manage to master the search tool, it will make a good part of your Internet existence easier ;)

Title: Re: Materials
Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 12th, 2013 at 5:17pm

Caldou wrote on Apr 12th, 2013 at 1:57pm:
I just want to point out that TIAT is not Asemery

News to me. Who is TIAT then?

Title: Re: Materials
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 12th, 2013 at 7:05pm

Bill Skinner wrote on Apr 12th, 2013 at 10:28am:
Or you could have pointed out that all the stickies up top answer all his questions.  Some people don't read them, they think that they are all some type of advertising or are just admin notes.

I could, but I wanted to also add something on MATERIALS, which he originally asked about. The stickies do not deal with materials, just about everything else.

I thought it would be nicer to do this.

Title: Re: Materials
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 12th, 2013 at 7:06pm

hassan wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 12:24pm:
I want to know anything and everything slings can be made of, and how you make them. Its a ig task, but I wanna know so I can make a sling wherever, whenever.

Also post what projeciles can be.

Ex Post:
You can make slings out of x.

You make them out of x like this:
Step 1
Step 2
Step 3

etc.

My favorite (theoretical) projectile:
[edit]We do not allow posts with directions for explosives. Masi[/edit]

LOL, hand gernades... sorry Masi, but that is not exactly a recipe....

Title: Re: Materials
Post by Rat Man on Apr 12th, 2013 at 7:46pm

hassan wrote on Apr 11th, 2013 at 12:24pm:
I want to know anything and everything slings can be made of, and how you make them. Its a ig task, but I wanna know so I can make a sling wherever, whenever.

Also post what projeciles can be.

Ex Post:
You can make slings out of x.

You make them out of x like this:
Step 1
Step 2
Step 3

etc.

My favorite (theoretical) projectile:
[edit]We do not allow posts with directions for explosives. Masi[/edit]


   This is a very lofty goal.  I think that could work at it  your entire life and still not complete your project.  IMO the best design for making a sling where ever out of whatever is the Appu-sling, or Simple String Slinng.  Here's Malik Lund's tutorial:  http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-simple-string-sling-an-illustrated-guide---malik-lund Using this method I've made slings out of plastic bags, police tape, wire pulled from the back of a trash TV, old clothes line, etc., etc., etc..  If it's string-like in any way you can probably make an Appu-sling from it.  Knowing how to make this sling is a handy skill to have.

Title: Re: Materials
Post by LightSlinger on Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:04am
Squirrel, great job!  (But you could've just said something like: click here for a link to the tutorial FAQ thread which has all sorts of great tutorials.)

But like a couple of others have said already, you can mak one out of just about anything with enough imagination time and patience (and maybe skill too).  I made one from extension cord once..  People have made them from trash bags, tall weeds, duct tape, etc.

Title: Re: Materials
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 13th, 2013 at 4:55pm

LightSlinger wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:04am:
Squirrel, great job!  (But you could've just said something like: click here for a link to the tutorial FAQ thread which has all sorts of great tutorials.)

But like a couple of others have said already, you can mak one out of just about anything with enough imagination time and patience (and maybe skill too).  I made one from extension cord once..  People have made them from trash bags, tall weeds, duct tape, etc.

Agian, he asked for a summery of MATERIAL, not just some tutorials.

Title: Re: Materials
Post by LightSlinger on Apr 13th, 2013 at 7:56pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

LightSlinger wrote on Apr 13th, 2013 at 12:04am:
Squirrel, great job!  (But you could've just said something like: click here for a link to the tutorial FAQ thread which has all sorts of great tutorials.)

But like a couple of others have said already, you can mak one out of just about anything with enough imagination time and patience (and maybe skill too).  I made one from extension cord once..  People have made them from trash bags, tall weeds, duct tape, etc.

Agian, he asked for a summery of MATERIAL, not just some tutorials.


And yet you listed every tutorial... Lol.  Point is, for the reading clarity and usability of the most people, sometimes less is more...  Most of the other posters got the same Ideas across in under three paragraphs.  Sometimes long is necessary, but sometimes not.  Regardless, the originator of the thread seemed to appreciate it.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MickR on Apr 14th, 2013 at 8:26am
Don't take it to heart SS. I'm one of those that would have appreciated the reply you posted If I were the OP. Everyone is different though, and I can see the points made by those that like to keep it simple.


Mick

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by x0rt on Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:32am
Hi people! I need a little advice on hand movement during a helicopter swing. I made a sling by this tutorial http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-braided-sling-an-illustrated-guide, and since i only had nylon rope bout 1.7 mm thick i used that. I followed exact measurements and found that i can barely swing it, it felt too short? Either i completely got it wrong or something is, but i can barely toss a stone with that. I made second one, again from cheap plastic rope, slightly thinner about 1.5 mm, but im finding that stone likes to slip out of "pouch" :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Apr 14th, 2013 at 12:33pm
Hi and welcome, xOrt.  Is there any way that you can post a picture of your slings?  That would be very helpful.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by LightSlinger on Apr 14th, 2013 at 3:55pm
Hello xOrt and welcome to the forum!

Since everyone is different heights its hard to say exactly how long any cord should be when measuring it out for braiding.  My first sling ever was way too short as well!  But here's a good method that I use to make sure I have enough length for most simple braiding styles;  a good rule of thumb is about three times your own body length.  You can measure this out roughly by starting with a length that is fingertip to fingertip.  Grasp the end closest to the roll of cord, and draw out another length of cord, fingertip to fingertip.  Repeat this method one more time and you should now have a length that is about three times your body length.  Repeat the procedure for each strand that you need.  This should leave you with a sling that is about 2-4 inches off the ground when you hand is resting at your side.
  Now, for the pouch.  I don't know how long you've been slinging for but beginners often have trouble with split pouches (at least I did).  There are a number of factors that play into using a split pouch but here are some basics that may help. First, a pouch should be long enough to encircle your projectile widthwise about halfway.  Also, make sure that the bands of the pouch are at about 45 degrees relative to each other.  Now about throwing technique.  Start light. Using power with a split pouch requires that you be familiar with its use first.  You'd be surprised at how much you can learn by throwing gently and gradually working up to strn throws..
  Hope that helps ya!  

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 14th, 2013 at 5:39pm

x0rt wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:32am:
Hi people! I need a little advice on hand movement during a helicopter swing. I made a sling by this tutorial http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-braided-sling-an-illustrated-guide, and since i only had nylon rope bout 1.7 mm thick i used that. I followed exact measurements and found that i can barely swing it, it felt too short? Either i completely got it wrong or something is, but i can barely toss a stone with that. I made second one, again from cheap plastic rope, slightly thinner about 1.5 mm, but im finding that stone likes to slip out of "pouch" :)

Rope is too thick to make a sling out of, though if what you used was 1.5-1.7 mm in diameter then it was twine. Rope is bigger than 4.7 mm in diameter. Did you see the Advice for Beginners thread? It tells you how long most slings are. If you are dropping your projectiles early I doubt it's because the sling is too short. It could be that the material the sling is made from just happens to be too slippery, that the pouch of the sling does not hold the projectile securely, or your technique could be to blame. A split pouch must be equal in length on both sides to make sure the projectile will balance. It must also be long enough to securely hold your intended projectile but too short to allow the projectile to fall through the split. The advice thread also covers how poor technique can cause an early release.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by x0rt on Apr 15th, 2013 at 11:19am
Thanks people, sorry for my bad english, twine was a word i could not remember so i wrote rope. Somebody asked for pictures, ill post imgur link to them. This is my first time  with a sling, and i have trouble , what i think, applying equal force through whole circle, to spin the rock ( projectile ) around my head for a helicopter throw.

First one is made from 280 cm twine, i followed instructions step by step. Second one i did i just prolonged it to 490 cm, with a pouch of 2 strands measuring 10 cm.

Best thing is i need to figure wrist motions  8-)

http://imgur.com/a/zQbPd

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MickR on Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:29am
That looks good x0rt.


Mick

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by lakeslinger on Apr 16th, 2013 at 8:05am

x0rt wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:32am:
Hi people! I need a little advice on hand movement during a helicopter swing. I made a sling by this tutorial http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-braided-sling-an-illustrated-guide, and since i only had nylon rope bout 1.7 mm thick i used that. I followed exact measurements and found that i can barely swing it, it felt too short? Either i completely got it wrong or something is, but i can barely toss a stone with that. I made second one, again from cheap plastic rope, slightly thinner about 1.5 mm, but im finding that stone likes to slip out of "pouch" :)


At first, welcome x0rt.

Split pouches can make some problems, especially for beginners. I sling a lot with peruvian style split pouch slings, but the ones you made are more balearic. With balearic slings I had some problems before (I´m still not a master slinger with this type of slings), but Teg gave me some very good and systematic advices here:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1361155793/15#15 (reply #24). Maybe they can help you, too.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by x0rt on Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:40pm

lakeslinger wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 8:05am:

x0rt wrote on Apr 14th, 2013 at 9:32am:
Hi people! I need a little advice on hand movement during a helicopter swing. I made a sling by this tutorial http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-braided-sling-an-illustrated-guide, and since i only had nylon rope bout 1.7 mm thick i used that. I followed exact measurements and found that i can barely swing it, it felt too short? Either i completely got it wrong or something is, but i can barely toss a stone with that. I made second one, again from cheap plastic rope, slightly thinner about 1.5 mm, but im finding that stone likes to slip out of "pouch" :)


At first, welcome x0rt.

Split pouches can make some problems, especially for beginners. I sling a lot with peruvian style split pouch slings, but the ones you made are more balearic. With balearic slings I had some problems before (I´m still not a master slinger with this type of slings), but Teg gave me some very good and systematic advices here:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1361155793/15#15 (reply #24). Maybe they can help you, too.


Thanks, will try it. Probably im having a hard time making a circle without edges or sharp turns, and also twine i used is slippery.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:59pm
You don't have to throw helicopter style, there are many throwing styles. You may have more luck with another.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by x0rt on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:07am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:59pm:
You don't have to throw helicopter style, there are many throwing styles. You may have more luck with another.


I tried apache and "8", got some luch with both short and long sling today, and tried helicopter, and balearic too, with some degree of doing it right. I found that larger stones "tell" me ( give me more feedback ) than small ones and i found easier to throw them. Old potatoes work realy good too  ;D

I have masonry line with thickness of 2,5/2 - and 100 grams, would that be good for a sling?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Apr 17th, 2013 at 9:48am
Dude, if its flexible and has considerable length, its good to make a sling out of. Just braid it up (However many strands you like in your sling, I'd suggest starting with a 3 strand braid), or reverse twist it (Google it) to give the sling some heft.

Mason line tends to be slick for the pouch but you can make a simple split pouch then add duct tape or leather for the actual pouch part to hold the ammunition more effectively.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by ahil925 on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:49am

Quote:
Mason line tends to be slick for the pouch but you can make a simple split pouch then add duct tape or leather for the actual pouch part to hold the ammunition more effectively.


Thanks, this may help me with my problem.

I'm looking for a sling design that'll throw golfball sized objects and tenis sized objects both just as well but, and here's the kicker, can be constructed totally via braiding.  I've made 3-braid split pouches so far, but have had terrible luck using a wide range of ammo with them (if the pouch fits a tennis ball it drops golfballs, if made for golfballs, drops tenis balls).  I've tried to make woven pouches, but the end results are kinda pathetic (need to practice more).  I'm trying to stay with braided designs as I have lots of string material (mason line, sisal, acrylic yarn) but the only material I have on hand thats really durable for a pouch is recycled jean denim.  

Would a 3-strand-pouch Balearic be what I'm after?  

Thanks.  

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by David Morningstar on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:28pm

I dont find that split pouches hold balls that well. If I have rough material like braided jute I can hold tennis balls or stones okay because of their friction but golf balls are too smooth and slip through easily.

For throwing balls I would always choose a solid pouch with some kind of cupping, e.g. a braided Apache sling with a sewn on leather pouch. I would also use different sized pouches for tennis balls and golf balls.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:28pm
From my point of view not really. I'd rather suggest to use another design with broader cords in the pouch. To make a fully braided design, that shoots tennisballs as well as golf balls is not easy, especially with split pouches. The closest thing you want would be a Chamorro Sling (http://itanohu.blogspot.ch/2012/11/chamorro-sling-acho-atupat-tutorial.html)

Other knotted/braided/woven pouches, which shoot a wide range of projectiles:

- Rockman (http://slinging.org/index.php?page=how-to-make-a-rockman-sling---bruno-tosso)
- Tematlatl (http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1339632628/0)
- Starfish (http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1357568101/0)

A little addendum: I would suggest a Tematlatl. You could just upgrade one of your tennisball slings with a solid woven pouch. If you should't like it you can take it out again quite fast.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 17th, 2013 at 12:55pm
For a split pouch to hold projectiles of sizes that far apart then it needs to be made of fairly stiff material. I suggest you also consider woven pouch slings.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:01pm
Golf balls are pretty much the most slick sling ammo in existance as far as I'm concerned.  ::)

I've made a lot of simple and balearic split pouch slings. I can throw rocks that are marble size to fist size with them and everything in between without a single slip. First throw with a golf ball and it'll slip out though. Golf balls are suited to solid pouches (Again, I recomend DT). That's just the way it is.
An Etrusian sling (3 strand braid) would still probably have most golf balls slip through.

A Tematlatl will probably work allright with golf balls. Peruse the Sling pictures thread and get some Ideas.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by timu on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:18pm
Hey'all I have a piece of chain mail that I have managed to cut into a sling pouch! It's pointed oval shape. I'm looking for your ideas on how you might attach a border to it and as well attach cords. I'm stumped. My best idea so far is laying some cordage around the circumference and liquid rubber to cover over and fuse it all together... What do you think?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:20pm

Tomas wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:18pm:
Hey'all I have a piece of chain mail that I have managed to cut into a sling pouch! It's pointed oval shape. I'm looking for your ideas on how you might attach a border to it and as well attach cords. I'm stumped. My best idea so far is laying some cordage around the circumference and liquid rubber to cover over and fuse it all together... What do you think?

Run cord through the edge loops or make chain and run that through. either one is good. Then make the ends more than 6 rings wide, and put 6 cord through the end. Braid.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 19th, 2013 at 4:21pm
What about stringing cord through the ringlets around the border?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by timu on Apr 19th, 2013 at 11:22pm
I should mention its cut from a mesh butcher's glove and the rings are very small. Too small for anything but finer threads/twines
Maybe hidden stitches although that will be hard

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 20th, 2013 at 9:47am

Tomas wrote on Apr 19th, 2013 at 11:22pm:
I should mention its cut from a mesh butcher's glove and the rings are very small. Too small for anything but finer threads/twines
Maybe hidden stitches although that will be hard

Treat it like a piece of leather and make an Apache from it.

Title: Re: Now Taking Questions
Post by Rat Man on Apr 25th, 2013 at 9:03am

Mick wrote on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
Thanks RM I saw that tutorial just yesterday and was thinking that might be just the way to go. Would it work using 'hootchi' cord do you think? Other than that I would have to plait up some sisal garden twine to get a similar thickness to what is shown in the photographs. Or is thickness of the cordage a non issue?.


Mick

   The thickness of the cord isn't a non issue since it effects the width of the pouch, but I've made slings like the one in the tutorial using all kinds of cordage.  Hootchi cord will work fine, just as paracord does.  Though I've made TS9s just to see what they look like, I think that a TS7 would make a good tennis ball sling, using almost any cord.  Just as with slinging styles, everyone is different.  Experiment and find what works for you.
 
"I find I can get away with a pretty narrow pouch using a tennis ball. A little but if cupping goes a long waySmiley and that way I don't feel like my sling is limited to large ammo.  That's just my two cents!"

Good point about cupping, timu.  Also, making the pouch longer (think banana boat pj)  will help it wrap around and grip larger projectiles like tennis balls.  

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 25th, 2013 at 3:11pm
Aussie pouch is probably the best pouch for tennis balls- it cups well, is fairly long, but not quite as wide as a tennis ball so it can throw other ammo too.
The longer the pouch (at least with split pouch woven slings) the more variable ammo you can shoot. a solid pouch, slightly cupped, is also very versatile.

Title: Braided (Plaited) Pouches - Questions
Post by celron on May 15th, 2013 at 2:24pm
Good afternoon everyone,

My first few attempts at making a sling were all undertaken using the braiding methods I've seen showcased on this site. I found braiding to not only be aesthetically pleasing but mechanically efficient; with a single roll of jute fiber, I can make two or three good-sized slings with relative speed.

The problems, for me at least, begin at the pouch and the retention cord. The pressure of the braid in the finger loop and its attached cord are fine, but the pouch and retention cord tend to slip on the slings I've tried to make, moreso with the pouch than the retention cord. I don't think the weave is tight enough, but the tighter I make the weave the smaller my pouch becomes. I don't know how to maintain an adequately large pouch and keep the weave tight. It ends up looking half-done - you can see the leading string of the weave, the pouch slips back and forth, etc.

Does anyone have problems similar to this?

Title: Re: Braided (Plaited) Pouches - Questions
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on May 15th, 2013 at 3:33pm
Hey celron,


My experience isnt massive but this has happened to me before. The short answer is dont braid the pouch use a split pouch with leather reinforcement instead ;D

You need to weave tighter  and twist the cord as you weave it, this reduces slippage and makes it more solid. Also you can try using two pieces and weave each one in from its own side  into the middle. You will then need to neatly tie off or blend in the end pieces. Yet another but slightly less useful way is to stitch the weave at certain points to the strands.

Solid whipping either side of the pouch helps stop slipping too, here you can use the twisting method as you wrap the cord.

Title: Re: Braided (Plaited) Pouches - Questions
Post by celron on May 15th, 2013 at 3:50pm
Thanks, Lugh.

I did notice that the whipping kept the pouch from moving around as much. I didn't think of the split pouch design in the way you described! I think that will make things a little easier. How would I keep both "pockets" from slipping on the guiding lines? When they end, I mean, how would I secure them to their respective sides of the pouch? I have a few ideas but if there's an existing method out there I'm all ears.

Title: Re: Braided (Plaited) Pouches - Questions
Post by David Morningstar on May 15th, 2013 at 4:05pm

The Mexican woven pouch, also known as the tematlatl, solves this problem neatly by using a fixed warp across the width of the pouch and the weaving lengthways through it. This way the weaving cannot all slip down to the release end.

I devised it after someone posted photos of such a sling from a museum in Mexico. It has now become by favorite type of woven pouch sling and I have made many of them.



canteskuyaOMD made an excellent tutorial here: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1339632628/0


Title: Re: Braided (Plaited) Pouches - Questions
Post by celron on May 15th, 2013 at 4:14pm
I like it. Simple, intuitive, effective. I'll work on it and post the results. Thank you, David and Lugh!

Title: Re: Braided (Plaited) Pouches - Questions
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on May 15th, 2013 at 4:41pm
Definitely go with Davids idea, looks better too.

Do give the twisting idea a go, works great for whipping too, keeps tension on the cord as you wrap it or weave it.

Title: Re: Braided (Plaited) Pouches - Questions
Post by celron on May 15th, 2013 at 4:50pm
Absolutely. I think between the twisting and the vertical pouch design my braid tension problems will be no more.

Thank you both.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on May 23rd, 2013 at 6:56pm
Hey what's a good all purpose length for a for the pouch on a Balearic style sling? Mine is thinner than a traditional one if that makes a difference.
I made one before but the pouch was too long and everything slipped out:(

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on May 24th, 2013 at 7:52am
Pouch length for split pouch slings depends on what you're throwing. Take your ammo of choice and check it against the pouch length as you braid. Pinch the raw ends of the 2 pouch straps together and try to fit the ammo through the gap between them. The best length pouch for that ammo is the longest length which will not let your ammo pass through it.

You can cheat a little bit. Oblong shapes are less likely to fall through than perfect spheres, so the pouch can be just barely too big and still work. Stiff sling cords are less likely to deform and let the ammo fall through, so they can also let you make the pouch a little bit bigger. A grippy pouch will hold the ammo more securely and will likewise allow you to make the pouch on the long side. True balearic slings take advantage of the latter 2, and every stone I've been able to see in videos from Mallirca was oblong as well. On top of that, some balearic split pouch slings are molded to hold a cupped shape which helps hold the ammo more securely as well.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on May 24th, 2013 at 12:01pm
Hmmm, looks like its going be roughly a 5 inch split. I plan on using it for railroad rocks and a lacrosse ball. I hope to finish this on Sunday. I seem to have given all my slings away and have nothing to throw with! Dark days...lol

Title: How to convince ppl braiding isn't gay
Post by hassan on Jun 6th, 2013 at 6:35pm
I'm trying to convince ppl it isn't gay to braid if its for slinging purposes?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jun 6th, 2013 at 6:42pm
Assuming you aren't gay, you have 3 options:
  • Don't, just ignore them. ::)
  • Demonstrate how useful rope making is or how far you can throw with a sling.
    :slinger:
  • Roll with it. Blow kisses and start winking at them. Once they freak out and leave they're much easier to ignore. :-* ;)

YMMV

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jun 6th, 2013 at 8:34pm
If you try number 3,  make sure you youtube it.

@David -  Thanks for posting.  I'm always fascinated by simple solutions to seemingly complex problems.  Got to try that one of these days.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by walter on Jun 6th, 2013 at 9:45pm
If someone thinks you're gay cause you braid, weave and net; they have'nt quite made it to the top of the pool and aint worth knowing  :-?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by David Morningstar on Jun 7th, 2013 at 5:26am

"I can turn a piece of string into a weapon that will kill a man at two hundred yards."

Title: Re: How to convince ppl braiding isn't gay
Post by Intifada on Jun 7th, 2013 at 6:31am

hassan wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 6:35pm:
I'm trying to convince ppl it isn't gay to braid if its for slinging purposes?


I'm not sure how braiding for any purpose would indicate one's sexuality either way  :-?
You could always try braiding a whip and playfully swishing boys' behinds.
Alternatively you could find your local chapter of outlaw bikers and ask the big ugly one with the braided mullet how he convinces people he isn't gay.  ;D


Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Lugh-Lamhfada on Jun 7th, 2013 at 7:36am
LOL at the above few comments!

Just because in the last hundred years society has disappeared up its own ass and thinks men with long hair or that can cook or can sew or braid are gay does not mean you should join those idiots. Celts and Vikings had long hair, could braid and sew expertly and cut peoples heads off and wore them on their belts with braided cords!!

Nothing gay there!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jun 7th, 2013 at 10:39am

Lugh-Lamhfada wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 7:36am:
LOL at the above few comments!

Just because in the last hundred years society has disappeared up its own ass and thinks men with long hair or that can cook or can sew or braid are gay does not mean you should join those idiots. Celts and Vikings had long hair, could braid and sew expertly and cut peoples heads off and wore them on their belts with braided cords!!

Nothing gay there!

Nice perspective...


Title: Re: How to convince ppl braiding isn't gay
Post by ilovepancakes on Jun 7th, 2013 at 2:38pm

hassan wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 6:35pm:
I'm trying to convince ppl it isn't gay to braid if its for slinging purposes?



Do you mean gay as in sexual orientation or gay as just a negative statement that has popped up in recent years?


Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by CodeMaker on Jun 7th, 2013 at 3:06pm
i learned how to braid specifically so i could braid hair. there's nothing gay about having a chick sit on your lap while you braid her hair ;) kinda like gymnastics. it's a wonderful way to meet women. other than that, use David Morningstar's response.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by hassan on Jun 7th, 2013 at 8:38pm
Thanks for the suggestions yall!

Imma definitely use the "I can make a weapon from a piece of string that can kill a man from two hundred yards" quote.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jun 8th, 2013 at 12:20am
Ya, haters gonna hate but ask them what they have made/done for themselves lately! Chances are they don't do anything as interesting as crafting and using a sling!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:06am
This video shows how to hold it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sIEm8WjXvI0

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Intifada on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:52am
I hold it like your first picture (0609130024a.jpg) with the loop on my ring finger. The cords are then separated by a couple of inches and aren't tempted to interfere with each other. I could be wrong but I think this is how most people hold a sling.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Jun 9th, 2013 at 8:53am
Those are commonly referred to as variations of "narrow grip" and "wide grip".

I've used both but I definitely prefer the wide grip with the retention loop on my ring finger. Just a personal preference though. Both can be utilized successfully (though its been found more difficult to get a good spiral with a narrow grip).

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jun 9th, 2013 at 12:12pm
I do either depending on my mood. Wider grips are a little easier IMHO.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by TNshooter on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:55pm
Ahh, good info guys. Thanks for the help and thanks for the link Thomas. I was doing it both ways too, but what was weird is I didn't realize it. Caught myself switching grips unintentionally....

Title: Re: Question
Post by Radegunde on Jun 18th, 2013 at 4:31am
Hello everybody,
I have a big question regarding sling making!
As I wrote in my presentation, I've got an Apache style sling in the making. Now the question: Which side of the leather should be receiving the ammunition? The shiny side which is going to be greased and waterproofed or the velvet-side?
I would think that the shiny side, as it is more slippery, would release the ammunition faster, but the velvet-side would help to keep it from untimely falling off ?
What would be easier for a complete beginner?
Or does it also depend on the kind of ammunition I would be using?

Title: Re: Ask Questions Here
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jun 18th, 2013 at 12:53pm
The quick answer is that it shouldn't matter to the release. The rough side will show less wear and tear over time than the smooth side will. I generally buy split leather with a suede surface. Since it's split it's thin and supple and since it's rough on both sides it doesn't matter how I attach it to my sling. I also tend to oil both sides of my leather regardless of whether it's suede or not.

Title: Re: Ask Questions here
Post by squirrelslinger on Jun 18th, 2013 at 1:57pm
I use the rough side in. Its irritating when the smooth side shows wear.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Radegunde on Jun 19th, 2013 at 5:26am
Thank you both, your answers are very useful!  :)
I'm going to sew the rough side in!

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Brett on Jun 19th, 2013 at 11:11am
For me it depends on the rocks - if you're throwing wet smooth stones and getting slip-outs you probably want the rough side.  If you're throwing the kind of rough junk I throw, you might want the smooth side touching the rock.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by xxkid123 on Jun 24th, 2013 at 4:52pm

Radegunde wrote on Jun 18th, 2013 at 4:31am:
Hello everybody,
I have a big question regarding sling making!
As I wrote in my presentation, I've got an Apache style sling in the making. Now the question: Which side of the leather should be receiving the ammunition? The shiny side which is going to be greased and waterproofed or the velvet-side?
I would think that the shiny side, as it is more slippery, would release the ammunition faster, but the velvet-side would help to keep it from untimely falling off ?
What would be easier for a complete beginner?
Or does it also depend on the kind of ammunition I would be using?


I've always used the rough side in (facing the rock) and the shiny side out. The slings I've gotten have always been like this, so I naturally assumed it was the way to go. However many people do it the other way. Personally I like the shiny side out because it looks more aesthetically appealing.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Mick on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:07pm
All right, so yesterday I went to the biggest medieval faire in Australia, I've been many times before, but not since I started slinging. What struck me (if you'll pardon the pun) is the distinct lack of representation for slingers. I want to try and correct that next year, by sorting out a costume, but I have no idea of what is considered traditional for Balearic slingers of anywhere from the 5th to the 15th century. Anyone know of any images or sites I can go to for research?


Mick

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Pikåru on Jul 6th, 2013 at 10:23pm
Talk to and research jlasuds posts. There are others but he's the most active member who is also an active historic reenactor and slinger.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Caldou on Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:49am
I think you take the problem from the "wrong" side.
Don't search for slingers themselves, serach for "Who would be likely to use a sling".

I don't think I've ever heard (or read) of a famed balearic slinger  from this late in history.
But in other parts of the world, slingers seem to be peasants, sheperds or David (and thus with a possible bias in representation).

Thus, you may search for (rather) poor balearic people, and then add a sling.

On the other hand, 10 century is an awfully long length of time. Fashion change a lot (try to compare a 11th century peasant and a 21st one... or a late 10th with an early 20, the job and tools didn't change as much as in the last century)

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Pikåru on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:38pm
Tip: When padding your finger loop always cut the strip longer than you think you'll need. If the inside diameter is two inches, make your strip three, minimum.

Never overlook sources of leather. This piece came from the elbow patches on a sport coat that was headed to the nearest landfill. Out of the two patches I've padded five slings and can pad another five easily.
Sling_Finger_Loop_1a.jpg (228 KB | )

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Bill Skinner on Jul 8th, 2013 at 8:52am
I have never used a padded loop, does the leather twist around so the stitching is on the inside?

Title: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 9th, 2013 at 1:34pm
I started off with a very basic sling consisting of nothing more than two thick shoelaces tied onto a denim pouch. It wasn't really a pouch, just a rectangular cut of denim with two holes in it. I found this to be pretty unsatisfactory for a few reasons.

1.) It looks awful. It looks like I made it in about ten seconds, which I basically did.

2.) Ammunition keeps slipping out of the pouch. This is annoying, and dangerous. I almost hit someone with a large stone by accident that came flying out of my sling as I tried to use the helicopter technique. I practice with tennis balls, but they always fall out before I get a chance to throw them properly, especially when using the helicopter technique.

3.) It doesn't feel nice to use. There's just something about it that I don't like.

So, the main problem here is the projectile falling out. I am going on a week long expedition shortly, and I want to take a sling with me to show off to my friends. But currently I am too worried about hitting them because of it falling out of the pouch. It could be because the denim is too slippery, or it could be my technique, or the pouch is too small, or some other thing. If anyone knows why, could you enlighten me? (I thought that using a split pouch might be better, but it still falls out even with one of these.)

So with this in mind, I decided to try and make a braided sling, with a split pouch. I followed the guide here:

http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-braided-sling-an-illustrated-guide

All I managed to make was a 14 inch long, very loosely woven sling that is falling apart already, and I only made it yesterday. I am not a girl, so I have much practice plaiting hair and things, so if any of you have any tips for that it would be great. Today, I went to my nearest town, and bought some balls of normal string, and a reel of jute twine. I wanted to get nylon, but I couldn't find any. Using the normal string, I doubled the lengths described in the guide, and got a sling that was the right length, but again, too loosely woven to be good for anything, and because of this, the split pouch ended up being huge because the rope just split. I really just want to be able to make a sling that is like the nylon one in the diagram, or any of the others. Also, would the jute be better than the string? And if anyone has any other guides for making a simple braided sling could you give me a link? Thanks guys.

Pictures:

The longer braided one I made today. I had to keep some parts tied up, otherwise the whole thing unravelled. This is a terrible sling.

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/Lekovyz/DSCF1005.jpg

The shorter one I made yesterday out of wool. This is also poorly made, and very short.

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/Lekovyz/DSCF1006.jpg

The jute twine I bought. Not made anything with it yet, don't know whether or not it's a good material.

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/Lekovyz/DSCF1007.jpg

You all know what a ball of string looks like.

My main problem is how loose my braiding is. I just can't make a good braid. Also, to make a reasonably sized braid, I had to start with strands of string that were 220 inches, or 5.588 metres, which is very long and tricky to manage. I just want to be able to be able to make decent braided slings, and to be able to use them, but I can't at the moment.  :'(

I was using the plaiting technique to braid the sling. Thank you for helping me.

Title: Re: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by David Morningstar on Jul 9th, 2013 at 1:47pm

To braid I hold the cords at 90 degrees apart, or 45 degrees left and right of the centreline. I pull the cords after each move and this tightens the braid. I also use something to tension the braid, like hooking the fingerloop over a door handle or something similar. By pulling slightly against this I get tight braids every time.

Title: Re: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 9th, 2013 at 2:04pm
Hi David! I saw your video on YouTube of you slinging on Hadrian's Wall.

So how long are your original strands when your braid a sling? As I am pretty new to this, I find it hard to judge length by eye, so it helps for me to have good measurements. I just find it hard to get a good, tight braid, although I have some polypropylene wire, that it may be easier to do it with. I will definitely try hooking the finger loop on a door handle and stand up to braid. With my first two, I was holding the end of the string under my bed, and then sitting on the floor and braiding, which is likely not a great way to do it. I will try and make another now, I just want to know how long to make my starting strands.

Title: Re: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by Caldou on Jul 9th, 2013 at 2:23pm
Hey, I'm not a girl either, but I knew how to braid some 10 years before thinking about making a sling :D

The trick for an easy tightenning is as David described : braid while keeping your strands under some tension. Then, you can pull them tight when you cross them over and rethighten them while you pick them again.

If you have to let your work for a while, you can keep it from unraveling with some clothes pin and let it hang from the handle.

For the long strings, my solution is from time to time (around 12 moves) you unravel the mess with one hand while pinching the end of the braided part with the other.

Title: Re: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 9th, 2013 at 2:29pm
Thanks for the tips! I will try again in a few hours, and report back with pictures of the result.

Title: Re: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by David Morningstar on Jul 9th, 2013 at 2:33pm

A length of braiding needs 50% longer string. If you want 10 inches of braiding, you need three 15 inch pieces of string.

A braided sling is folded in half at the fingerloop and then again when you load it, so if you want a 30 inch sling (sling lengths are always given loaded, from fingerloop to centre of the pouch) then you will need cords of 30 x 6 = 180 inches.

What I do is just take the ball of string and if I want a sling of hand to center chest length, I pull out a length of string from hand to center chest six times, add a little bit more for luck, cut it off, repeat until I have enough cords.



Title: Re: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by Teg on Jul 9th, 2013 at 3:43pm
Let me add some tips to the very good ones from above.

Start with three short lengths (20cm or so) of stiff, not too fine string (polyester, polypropylene or jute as you bought). Stiff material is much easier to work than wool. Then make a training piece out of it. Just braid a short length.

Then do the same with a (short) bundle of strings as in the tutorial until you are satisfied with the density.

Start small and work your way up. If I try something new I do exactly the same. First a small training piece, then the complete sling. Saves material and nerves  ;)

Now you are prepared to work with long lengths of string.
If you have trouble to manage the long strings you can tie small bundles or wrap them around a coil. If you have troubles to unravel the long strings, then a clothes-peg may be useful to fasten your braid.

To replace your denim sling I suggest that you make a Aussi pouch: http://slinging.org/forum/yabbfiles/Attachments/Sling_2.JPG
From my point of view the easiest-to-make type of sling. With this type of sling you shouldn't loose your ammo anymore and it is much less tricky to make than a braided split pouch. If I teach someone how to sling, this is the type of sling he will get the first shots. Take two strips of leather or strong clothes, loop some string in, and here you go. The size of the strips depends a bit on the material but 2.5 cm x 18 cm strips are usually fine for tennisballs.

Title: Re: Making slings, and slinging with them.
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 9th, 2013 at 3:50pm
DM beat me to it. Braided rope is 0.6x the length of the cords used to make it. A general length for a sling is 1/2 of the slingers height, so you should measure with you arms. I used 3 armspans.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 9th, 2013 at 4:46pm
Well I tried again with the braiding, and I think it's a bit better this time. It doesn't fall apart, and the braiding is tight. There are a few problems with plastic garden twine however. It isn't comfortable to hold particularly, and when it's braided it does have a tendency to twist itself together. Here is a picture.

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/Lekovyz/DSCF1008.jpg

I will take it out again tomorrow to see how well it performs. The split pouch is a bit smaller than most, but the rocks near me are quite small, so it should be ok. Now I've just gotta practice keeping the ammo in the pouch! Any tips for this?

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Caldou on Jul 9th, 2013 at 4:51pm
Sew your old jean pouch

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Teg on Jul 9th, 2013 at 4:59pm
This looks a lot better! Just remember that making a good braided split pouch is tricky! A solid pouch (or a quasi solid pouch like the Aussi) is a lot easier to handle.

About keeping the stone in the pouch a Copy/paste from one of my older posts:


Quote:
If you want to shoot round projectiles (like tennis balls) with braided split pouches you have to make the pouch slightly smaller than for stones of the same size. This will prevent that the ball slips through the split. Split pouches usually don't handle perfectly round projectiles of different sizes very well (e.g. shooting a tennis ball as well as a small rubber ball). In contrary a solid pouch handles round projectiles of any size well, as long as they don't get too big.

If your projectile keeps slipping out of a split pouch there may be several mistakes involved:
If it slips out through the gap:
- Your strands are too long or the projectile is too small
- Your strands are too "round" and "twisty"
- The gap opens too much or it is too stiff for "lateral" movement. This means that you have somehow messed up the connection of split to retention cord or it is not yet flexible enough. This often happens when the sling is new and not yet shoot in while the projectile being slightly too small.
- The projectile was not placed accurately enough.
...

If it slips out sideways:
- The strands of the pouch don't have the same length.
- The projectile was not placed accurately enough.
- Shooting errors like making "edges" while moving your arm.
...

Title: Re: Questions
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 9th, 2013 at 5:01pm
Thankyou, that was very helpful. I will try it again tomorrow when it is lighter. It is night now.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 9th, 2013 at 6:14pm
I tried it indoors with a soft tennis ball, and I still encountered it slipping out. It only really happens when I do the helicopter technique, and I can only twirl it around once or maybe twice before the projectile comes flying out in some other direction. Is the type of pouch as shown in the sling in my photo just not good for tennis balls? The only reason I ask is because I saw someone on YouTube under the name of 'Smabber' who used a pouch like it, but he never lost his projectile, and he got extreme power and accuracy with a tennis ball. Everybody else seems to not have a problem with it, I just can't get the damn thing to stay in  >:(

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Tomas on Jul 10th, 2013 at 10:48am
It's not necessary to have lots of rotations, it's often easier to learn with just a single rotation:) but keep trying both your slinging an crafting technique will improve....slowly!

Title: Re: Questions
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 10th, 2013 at 11:26am
I went out today, and got quite a lot of power using the sidearm technique, and a great deal of accuracy with the overarm technique, after a lot of practice obviously. I still cant do the helicopter technique though, and I probably won't do it for a while if there are other people nearby. I think the ammo just slips out the side of the pouch as I rotate it. I'm not really sure what I did wrong. I read an earlier post that said not to make 'angles' when you rotate it, but I don't really know what that means.

Also, am I the only person who finds it easier to make a braided sling with a split pouch than to to make a regular sling with a normal pouch? I want to make a pouched one at some point, but I don't really know where to start.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 10th, 2013 at 12:46pm
Slinging has a steep learning curve. If you can't stop dropping your ammo with a particular throw despite using different slings then it's most likely a technique issue. http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1300866147

Title: Re: Questions
Post by JakobSmyten on Jul 10th, 2013 at 2:30pm
I've just come back from another couple of hours of practice, and I finally learnt how to do the helicopter! It was just a case of adjusting my grip on the release cord to make the cords the right length. After that, I could pretty consistently throw most projectiles with the helicopter. It is still probably my least powerful and least accurate technique, but I'm hoping that will change with practice.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by squirrelslinger on Jul 15th, 2013 at 9:20am

Quote:
Also, am I the only person who finds it easier to make a braided sling with a split pouch than to to make a regular sling with a normal pouch? I want to make a pouched one at some point, but I don't really know where to start.

nope, you are not.
I also think a jute balaric style is easier than a leather-pouched sling.
or any-pouched sling.

Title: Re: Questions
Post by Rat Man on Jul 15th, 2013 at 10:55am
    A good first pouched sling to make is a pj.  It's not that difficult to make, looks good, and is one of the most versatile, accurate, easiest to use, farthest shooting slings available:
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=5-strand-woven-paracord-sling-tutorial---jeffrey
    Helicopter can be both a very accurate and powerful style.  A lot of it has to do with rotor placement.  The farther behind you the rotor is the more powerful your shot will be.  If your rotor is to the right when you release you'll get a high, arching, floating type shot.  If you release with your rotor to the left you'll get a short, hard, line drive type shot.  I hope this is some help to you, JakobSmyten.

Title: Why do I throw on the left side?
Post by Pz8 on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 8:02am
Hello, I am new to slinging and I started practising about one month ago, looking at some videos on youtube and finding informations about making slings on Internet.

After some attempts I did a nice braided, balearic style sling, and another simpler one, with a pouch made of two vinyl strips (fake leather) and two strings.

I am trying to familiarize with the various styles, practising with tennis balls. But I notice that most of times, I do not throw straight, but the ball deviates to the left side (I am right handed), sometimes even 45° or more. Is it normal (should I aim towards the right or face with my body to the right, to compensate it) or has it something to do with my throwing, or the slings are not well done? I noticed that the deviation is more frequent with the braided sling.

Thank you very much for your help  :)

Title: Re: Why do I throw on the left side?
Post by Dan on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 9:11am
My first thought is you might just be releasing too late. Which might be due to your release knot being too large, your arm is too close to your target (its a form thing, you'll have more time to release 'early' if you bring your arm further back), or your ammo is too heavy.

However, tennis balls will often curve on their own around 25 yards or so. Sometimes you can compensate for this but you might be better off moving closer, trying a different ammo, or just trying a different style.

IME, Figure 8 works best with tennis balls, but Camo-sling does some great work with helicopter too. It comes down to personal preference, but If I were I'd try out some other styles and see if that resolves the issue.

Title: Re: Why do I throw on the left side?
Post by David Morningstar on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 9:23am

Try popping your fingers open quickly rather than slackening off your grip and letting the cord pull free. If I start to miss left I know that my release is not opening quick enough.

Also, check what your throwing action is like. If your throw is not straight forward, but is like a 'bigger spin' instead, then this is not powerful and can pull your shot across to the left.

If your throw starts with your hand too far forward this can also swing your throw across to the left as you run out of arm extension.

Make sure you begin your throw with your hand as far back as you can get it, and drive your hand straight forward.

Title: Re: Why do I throw on the left side?
Post by curious_aardvark on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 10:57am
if possible video yourself slinging and post oj youtube so we can have a look.

Ideally you ned to stand side on to the target and turn toweards it as you sling. This should counteract any inclination to throw to the right.

Also what style are you using ?
It's easier to throw off with one of the horizontal techniques like greek or helicopter. 

Title: Re: Why do I throw on the left side?
Post by Pz8 on Jul 22nd, 2013 at 4:37pm
Thank you, I tried again and it looks like I was releasing too late. When releasing just past my head, the trajectory went more straight. Again, the braided sling keeps throwing more on the left side but with the other, I begin throwing straighter... Thank you.  :DI am practising figure 8, balearic, greek and apache.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by blackfur2 on Jul 27th, 2013 at 9:59pm
Hey can anyone help me. I got sum pita fiber and I have been tryin to make a 5 strand balearic sling but when a do the cords allways twist how do I get them so there flat  :-/ when braiding I twist all the fibers clockwise. should it be clockwise righthand anticlockwise with the left hand  :-? A have been watching this http://youtu.be/-ouNR6djZy4 and it looks like that's what he is doing but am not sure i am hoping sum one on here will no  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by mitchrobinson on Jul 28th, 2013 at 3:08pm
I have an idea/question:  Is there a minimum length that a staff sling has to be?  Basically asking if there would be issues with putting it on a 1-1 1/2 foot handle.  This would be used for one-handed slinging.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 28th, 2013 at 3:53pm
A quick search turned up these threads, and posts about "short staff slings" in a few others.

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1167714516

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1328336692

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by mitchrobinson on Jul 28th, 2013 at 6:24pm
Thanks Masi!  My feeble mind still has not figured out how to use the search feature correctly.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 28th, 2013 at 9:11pm
Type "site:slinging.org what-I'm-looking-for" into google, it's easier.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 4:24pm
My question is similar to blackfur's- I'm making a Balearic style sling but with all the strands I'm confused. Is it better to twist my groups together or try and lay them flat like ribbon?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 4:51pm
You'll get a smoother, prettier looking sling if you lay them flat like a ribbon. Both will work. If you accidentally cross some strainds from 1 group of the braid to another that's okay. It'll help prevent unravelling.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:13pm
got a question- You guys keep talking about a 5 strand braid. I haven't been able to find a tutorial on it- that looks like the balaric.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Timothy Potter on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:33pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 10:13pm:
got a question- You guys keep talking about a 5 strand braid. I haven't been able to find a tutorial on it- that looks like the balaric.


It's basically an expansion of the common 3-strand braid, so it's not difficult to learn if you can already do that. You can try my instructions for it here: http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/howtos/5strand1.htm

-Timothy Potter


Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Timothy Potter on Aug 2nd, 2013 at 11:55pm

blackfur2 wrote on Jul 27th, 2013 at 9:59pm:
Hey can anyone help me. I got sum pita fiber and I have been tryin to make a 5 strand balearic sling but when a do the cords allways twist how do I get them so there flat  :-/ when braiding I twist all the fibers clockwise. should it be clockwise righthand anticlockwise with the left hand  :-? A have been watching this and it looks like that's what he is doing but am not sure i am hoping sum one on here will no  :)



From the pictures of Balearic slings I've seen, and one I have that I purchased from Luis, I'm pretty sure you are right about the twist being opposite on each side. In Luis's video about repairing a sling, you can see how this is done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5n_N0yyLkQ

If you skip to about 6:10, you can see the braiding better, and how the twisting motion of the fingers is the mirrored for both sides, which means the twist is in opposite directions.

-Timothy Potter

Title: Re: another question
Post by Radegunde on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 4:52am
Hi all,
I've got another question:
Is there any slinging advantage to use a complicated braid (let's call it the balearic 5-strand braid  ;D) versus an ordinary 3-strand braid?
I mean, is there any effect on the quality of the slinging itself?
Or is it just a question of tradition combined to a nice visual effect?
Or has it to do with the kind of fiber that is used?
Thanks

Radegunde

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 11:42am
There can be a beneficial effect on your slinging. Using different braids can give your sling a different cross section. Flat, round, helical, and square. One braid versus another may be less prone to twisting, kinking, or knotting.

It also depends on the fiber. Loosely spun or stretchy fibers need a tighter, more complicated braid.

The Balearic 5 strand braid is the exact same technique as the 3 strand braid.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Radegunde on Aug 4th, 2013 at 3:44am
Yes, thanks for your answer! :)
I watched the video about how to braid a balearic sling with a kind of sisal. Sure, same technique as 3 strands, but definitely more complicated. (But it is really nice to look at!).
My next sling is going to be wool - not the soft and springy kind used for knitting, but quite hard and hairy fibers from my most scratchy sheep. It's going to be tightly spun and plied. And I would like to try the balearic braiding technique.
Well, even hard wool is not the same stuff as sisal (though both are scratchy!), I'm quite aware of that - but do you think balearic braiding would do nevertheless?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Ney on Aug 4th, 2013 at 8:09am
I'm sorry if I'm interrupting Masi.
The thing about the 5 strand braid is that, compared to the 3 strand, it looks a lot more complex when it actually isn't.:)
It's the reason I don't make 3 strand slings anymore.(Why 3 when you can go for 5 :))
As for the material, it doesn't matter. I've made balearics from jute, hemp and (to an extent) pita.
The best advice I can give is to practice the braid before making the sling itself. Just braid a simple cord over and over again until you feel that the braid is of acceptable quality.  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by curious_aardvark on Aug 4th, 2013 at 11:40am

Quote:
I've made balearics from jute, hemp and (to an extent) pita




slings from pitas, I'd like to see :-)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 4th, 2013 at 1:50pm
;D Spanish pita rope is made from a kind of sisal but is different from sisal rope.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Ney on Aug 4th, 2013 at 2:56pm
Yea, I actually meant tortilla slings  ;)
They're so tasty i don't know whether to eat them or to sling with them. :)

Title: slinging pages / groups on Facebook?
Post by Pz8 on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:39am
hello,
I am often on Facebook and I was wandering if there is a page or a group about slings and slinging? Do you know some? Thank you --- Pz8

Title: Re: slinging pages / groups on Facebook?
Post by Dan on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:47am
Yep, I'm pretty on FB sure its called
"slinging.org"

Very original. ;)

Currently at 125 likes and not nearly as active as this place though.

Title: Re: slinging pages / groups on Facebook?
Post by Pz8 on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:54am
found!  ;D I was searching for "slings" "slinging" etc but did not find it... thank you

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pz8 on Sep 1st, 2013 at 3:27pm
A question about Figure 8, from a beginner.

I see that in all videos on YouTube, people invariably start with a counter-clockwise rotation of the sling. I tried to do the same, but soon found more natural starting with a clockwise rotation...then I do the same as the Fig 8 I see on the videos. what is it? a reverse Figure 8...a wrong Figure 8... just a mess... or another style?

By the way this is the way I can achieve more accuracy (10% hits from 10 meters  :D)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Sep 1st, 2013 at 5:08pm
its figure 8. I can see why you would do that.
Are you left handed?
if you are right handed... I am amazed you still have a head.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pz8 on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 2:25am
I am right handed, I throw with my right hand. Is it so dangerous doing Fig. 8 this way? I use tennis balls, but they almost never slip out from the pouch... if they do, rarely, it's at the end of the clockwise rotation, so they go past my back.

Anyway I will try again with the technique shown in the videos (counter-clockwise) and see the difference...

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pz8 on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 5:25am
Tried again this morning but I noticed that I get much more velocity of the ball, control of the sling and precision (well, almost), with a clock-wise rotation. This drives me mad because everyone seems to to Fig. 8 starting anti-clock wise.  ;D Maybe one day I will make a video to show my anomaly...

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 8:40am
This is not rocket surgery.  If it works for you, then do it that way.  If possible, post a video, you may have invented a new style.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 9:14am

Bill Skinner wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 8:40am:
This is not rocket surgery.  If it works for you, then do it that way.  If possible, post a video, you may have invented a new style.

+1
I would love to see a vid of you slinging Pz8.
i tried clockwise fig 8 once and i nearly took off my head.
Hence why I wondered..

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pz8 on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 5:24am
Here is the video of "my style"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gClvMhkigM&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 8:51am
You are basically doing a sidearm throw with one rotation.  It looks slightly awkward, like you are stressing either your elbow or shoulder or both.  That may also be because you new to slinging or because you are self conscious about being filmed.

You will be able to get more force if you rotate your upper body as you throw instead of just using your arm.  You should end the throw pointing at the target with your shoulders in line with your arm.  Stepping into the throw is fine if it helps you keep your balance. 

I have found that follow through is very important if I want to hit anything. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pz8 on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 10:21am
Thank you for the hints! I will try to improve my awkward sidearm...  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 4:01pm
Hey your style reminds me of this. Might be a good one for you to try
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ANvkhT7xkLs

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 6:02pm
It looks to me like you took figure 8, (looking from behind) and rotated everything clockwise 90 degrees.
seriously.
that might be the basis for a new style!!!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pz8 on Sep 4th, 2013 at 3:27am
I don't know... it is just how I feel natural to sling (starting almost in my 50s....)...but I will study... especially the rotation of the upper body, that now is too rigid... thank you :)

Title: slinging multipul projectiles
Post by Slinging_wolf on Oct 21st, 2013 at 6:09pm
has any one come up with a pouch that can throw more than 1 gland or stone

Title: Re: slinging multipul projectiles
Post by squirrelslinger on Oct 21st, 2013 at 6:24pm
yes.
Someone here built a nice shotgun sling(methinks it was Timpa- cause it shot ball bearings)...
And if you make an apache with a larger pouch than normal- you can sling up to 6 glandes or stones at once(1.5 oz glandes- but if you ask me its a waste of glandes).
pretty much any sling can sling two or more stones if the stones are shaped correctly.

Title: Re: slinging multipul projectiles
Post by Slinging_wolf on Oct 21st, 2013 at 6:40pm
is it accurate ?

Title: Re: slinging multipul projectiles
Post by squirrelslinger on Oct 21st, 2013 at 6:51pm
No.
I should take vids...

Title: Re: slinging multipul projectiles
Post by David the Shepherd on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 2:05am
When throwing two stones at once, I have found that generally one gives a great throw and the other stone isn't effective at all (same with marshmallows).

Title: Re: slinging multipul projectiles
Post by timpa on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:52am
The power is divided into to more than one stone.
Many ways to implement: Here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4kbhvI4g1k

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 8:08am
The idea of shotgun slings comes up fairly regularly, where many small stones are wrapped in a wad and placed in the same pouch. There have also been double and triple pouched slings designed to throw a few larger projectiles.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 11:01pm
hey ive been wondering about some thing called a cradle sling

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Oct 25th, 2013 at 2:21pm
The only time I hear "cradle" is as another name for the pouch

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Oct 25th, 2013 at 10:02pm
its like a loop of a sling heres a link[url][/url]http://www.primitiveweapons.com/products/sling.html

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Oct 26th, 2013 at 2:21am
Looks like he's still referring to the pouch, but it seems he's referring to a specific design of sling pouch. I have no idea. Slinging terminology is still far from standardized, which can really rock the boat sometimes. (Hee-hee: I make pun :D)

Title: Rockman pouch historical pic or documentation?
Post by Alaeddin on Oct 29th, 2013 at 2:24pm
I love the ribbed Rockman pouch sling... it seems to be a staple for our community. Its my understanding that's its based on a find at Lovelock cave. I found a written description of it but no pics. The written description seems to differ from what is being made. I have seen the many similar split South American slings... but they are side by side for the pouch parts not overlapping on the throwing side. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Alaeddin

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Oct 29th, 2013 at 4:40pm
The rockman sling design and the design of the sling from Lovelock cave, Nevada, are two completely different designs. The Rockman design is woven and a split pouch, whereas the Lovelock cave sling is knotted and has a solid pouch. As far as I know, the Rockman design is a simplified design of traditional peruvian slings. But you best ask Rockman/Bruno Tosso himself.

Tutorial of the Rockman sling:
http://slinging.org/index.php?page=how-to-make-a-rockman-sling---bruno-tosso

If you want to achieve that the splits do not overlap, you have to start the weaving process before splitting the pouch.

If you need a picture of the Lovelock cave sling look here: www.jstor.org/stable/276537 (signup required but free of charge). You can also get a picture here: http://slinging.org/wiki2/index.php/TheCentralPacific/NorthAmerica (near the bottom).
A tutorial on how to make the Lovelock cave sling: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1373289362/12 (first post, attached pdf). If you have any questions about it, please feel free to ask, as I'm the author of it  ;).

Title: What is THE most accurate slinging style?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Oct 30th, 2013 at 2:20pm
I know that the answer to this question is preference. However, which style has the greatest accuracy IN THEORY. Accuracy with different styles comes in practice but there has got to be one that has greater accuracy potential than others. Like one with a straighter, flatter trajectory over others if proficient

In my experience, the most accurate in my hands is helicopter. However, in my experience, the style with the straightest and flattest trajectory is byzantine.

Is there one with greater potential accuracy? :-/

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 30th, 2013 at 3:27pm
The accuracy of all slinging styles really only depends on the very last portion of the swing and -when done right- all styles can be approximated as 2 dimensional. All -when done wrong- can have the same sources of error. Anything before the final push is just flourish.

Really an truly, there is no difference between any slinging styles as far as you projectile is concerned. A flat trajectory depends on how hard you throw and there is anecdotal evidence that it's better to take it easy and just let your throws arc.

Title: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Oct 29th, 2013 at 7:57am
I've been getting better and better with my sling to the point where I think that I could hunt. What I want to know is, what is the best type of ammunition, slinging style, and type of sling to use for grabbing squirrels, rabbits, and birds?

My current sling loadout-

38" Braided Nylon Duct Tape Sling
Helicopter and Byzantine Style
1lb Quartz Stones

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by Thearos on Oct 29th, 2013 at 8:38am
Do you mean a 1 lb hunting load of stones, or a bunch of stones which each weight 1 lb ?

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by Steven on Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:07am
:-[12Ga. #6 Shot:-[ I'm embarrassed to say.

My best guess would be 2-3 oz. glandes as you would need to deliver enough K.E. for a probable kill and a shortish sling 30-32" or shorter depending on the under canopy layer of your woods.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by Arcane Tinker on Oct 29th, 2013 at 10:28am
You're gonna tear your arm up that way.  And a stone that big is going to be slow...way too slow to contact almost any game animal you can think of.  You gotta have a projectile that is capable of flying faster than a bird of prey.

And a 38" sling!? What kind of hunting environment are you going to get a helicopter wind up with a sling that long?  I imagine with your current combination, you are perfectly set up for hunting pastured cows.

Smaller, lighter, shorter, faster.  I may or may not sling hunt, and if I would or would not, I might choose cestros darts.  Although I don't understand hunting for sport. To clarify, I am not opposed to hunting, I have done my fair share of deer and small game hunting.  I just don't get the people that consider themselves hunters and make it their whole lifestyle.  You know the types....the ones with all the browning and bone collector stickers on the rear windows of their trucks, real tree seat covers and mossy oak mud flaps.  The ones that wouldn't spend one minute of vacation time outside of duck blinds or tree stands.  I am not some sort of peacenik vegetarian. If I see a delicious cottontail or goose out the back door, I likely will make a meal out of it.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Oct 29th, 2013 at 10:58am
I have a shorter sling also. It's about 26".

And yes, the stones I hurl are about plus or minus 1lb. However, they are not the size of softballs. They are no larger than a golf ball. Most are about the size of a half-dollar. I guess the stones are pretty dense. They fly fast out of my sling, much faster than a hawk. However, I could easily use half-pounders (8oz.) of quartz. They fly a little faster but have less umph.

Seems like everyone here is pretty opposed to hunting. To each his own I guess ::).

If you don't like hunting, don't post on a hunting thread

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by Dan on Oct 29th, 2013 at 11:16am
"I have a shorter sling also. It's about 26"."

That's a good length for target slinging.

"And yes, the stones I hurl are about plus or minus 1lb. However, they are not the size of softballs. They are no larger than a golf ball."

While perhaps unintentional, that's BS. The most dense stones you'll get golf ball sized will be around a 1/4lbd, a lead fishing weight that size might weigh around 12 ounces.

"Most are about the size of a half-dollar. I guess the stones are pretty dense. They fly fast out of my sling, much faster than a hawk. However, I could easily use half-pounders (8oz.) of quartz. They fly a little faster but have less umph."

8 ounces is still quite heavy and too slow for hunting.

"Seems like everyone here is pretty opposed to hunting. To each his own I guess ::).
If you don't like hunting, don't post on a hunting thread"


We've had our fair share of hunting threads here and nobody has said anything against hunting. We are realists when it comes to slinging and the kind of accuracy required for hunting is incredibly difficult to achieve for those living in the modern world.
We don't want to set you up with false expectations. Unless you plan on hunting in a petting zoo, its highly unlikly you'll come up with anything. Plus, it might be illegal in your area.

However, to answer the orignial question, a 24" sling, a dozen egg sized river rocks, and a rabbit stick for finishing work are the necessary tools in addition to normal hunting gear.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by RJB on Oct 29th, 2013 at 11:25am
I see nothing wrong with a 38 inch sling in certain forest enviroments.  Most squirrel in my area like the white oak forests.  The dense canopy usually leads to thin underbrush. 

However, I'd like to see some verification on the 1 lbs stones.

For ammo, I'll use anything roundish and dense.

Happy hunting  :)

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Oct 29th, 2013 at 11:47am
A dozen egg-sized river rocks

That's about the size of mine. Maybe a pound is heavier than I thought. I don't have scales that measure that low so I guess mine are closer to whatever weight you guys were talking about.
I apologize for almost setting the sparks for a wildfire  :-[.

and RJB your environment sound similar to mine. I don't live in a thicket. My woods are ruled by large trees and briars. get away from the briars, and you got yourself a clear area.

Ok, so lets assume that my bullets are the weight that you guys use. Would my setup work. I intend to do it with some stalking. I don't really see someone being able to blind hunt with a sling  ;D

I'm sure that it's possible but stalking is probably the better approach. Again, with stuff in your way (i.e. blind) it wouldn't be ideal I'd imagine. Maybe if you just wore good camouflage and sat in your ambush area that has the necessary room to fire, you could ambush hunt.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by RJB on Oct 29th, 2013 at 12:48pm
The few times I've used the sling, I've went out a little before twilight (morning and evening) and stood beneath a white oak squirrels live in and wait.  They usually come to me.  In rare occasions I'll stalk.

One time during deer season, a squirrel almost ran across my chest.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Oct 29th, 2013 at 3:52pm
Even if I don't kill anything, I still think that I would have a good time going through the woods with the weapon of our forefathers :). If I do bag some game then great! ;D

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by squirrelslinger on Oct 29th, 2013 at 5:04pm
+1 dan. The heaviest mineral I have used(Galena, lead ore) weighs under 1/2 pound with a stone the size of a golf ball.
an 8 oz stone of normal material(round, smooth) is equel to or larger than a softball.
By the way, you WILL tear out your arm using that big of ammo. I learned the hard way. I am going to say this- for squirrel, rabbit, etc- 1-2 oz lead glans and hope for luck.  It happens more often than you think.
for birds- shotgun sling loaded with 1 oz pebbles- max 8 of them. Preferable 3 or 4.
Whatever sling length you are most comfortable with for the glans- almost anything longer than 25" will kill. go with 30" for the shotgun sling- it needs the extra speed.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by RJB on Oct 29th, 2013 at 6:37pm
For shotgunning, that is one of the rare times I really love the staff sling.  The staff holds more rocks and it keeps a much tighter pattern.  I usually like odd shaped/rectangular stones because they fit together better than rounder ones when shotgunning.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by Bill Skinner on Oct 29th, 2013 at 6:55pm
I have actually gone squirrel hunting with a sling.  I haven't connected with one but I have had several near misses.  A few tips, carry lots of ammo, a gallon bucket will not last on a good evening. Second, you might be able to hit with rocks but I needed standardized ammo to even come close, that ment making my ammo from clay and firing it and then soaking it to get the weight back up.  I made mine slightly larger than a golf ball, and round so I didn't have to put it in the pouch a certain way.  Third, learn either Apache or Figure 8, everything else has too much movement and the squirrels run.  Four, trying to stalk them on the ground is a waste of time, even if you do get close enough, they will dodge the glande.  They will go up a tree and freeze on the branch, that's your shot.  Fifth, practice throwing upward at a steep angle.  Hang a pop bottle way up in a tree and throw at it.  It's hittable but you will need the practice.  Sixth, hunt rabbits, late in the evening or early in the morning around the edges of fields and pastures.  They are lots easier to spot , stalk and hit. 

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by RJB on Oct 29th, 2013 at 8:02pm
Aiming tips:

If the squirrel is oblivious, aim at the body or lower (hairs on the under belly.) A bounce can kill.

If spooked aim slightly above (hairs on the back).  I had a rock hit a squirrel as it jumped into it.  My shot was accidentally high and would have missed. 

Be prepared to quickly kill an injured animal before it can run.  (carry a rabbit stick)

Also if you miss remain still.  You may get a follow up shot.
 

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by curious_aardvark on Oct 29th, 2013 at 8:08pm

Quote:
By the way, you WILL tear out your arm using that big of ammo.


it might tear your arm out - wouldn't even tickle mine.
We're all different - and slings emphasise physical differences in people more than just about any other weapon.

horses for courses - I would advocate hunting with a biggish stones for several reasons.
1) any hit should be a kill - fewer injured animals
2) bigger ammo gives you better chance of hitting.
3) you can put a lot more effort behind the throw.
4) heavier rocks are actually easier to be accurate with.

But you will need a shorter sling 24-26 inches would be ideal. Plus shorter slings work better with heavier stones.
short slings and heavy rocks are how the balearics sling.

Personally if I were ever to take up hunting with a sling (nothing short of a survival situation would cause it) I'd use bolas ammo and carry a priest.

Well if you're hunting small game and not carrying a priest - then you're obviously not serious about eating or killing what you hit. 

Hunt smart. 

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:04pm
Curious ardvaark.

Big stones don't hurt me either, or I wouldnt use them ;)

I've got the set of a linebacker. I'm not your average beanpole teenager  :o. I think that I'd be fine with the heavier stones. I'm not throwing grapefruit size ones after all. About egg-size or slightly bigger is what I normally use. However I did throw a fist-sized stone just for the lolz once. it was pretty funny actually, how far it would go. It was like a mortar round ;D

Bigger stone = easier hit and more K.E.

Ardvaark said it pretty well

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by Rat Man on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:55am
   I think that a 38" sling is a perfect length for hunting. You'll want to generate a lot of power.  What most seem to be forgetting here is that everyone is different.  I'm 6'4" with extra long arms.  One's ideal sling length is generally half of their height so 38" is right on for me.  Unless you're hunting in the deepest jungle a 38" sling should pose no special problems for you. 
    Egg sized quarts stones are great ammo and should kill any small game that you solidly connect with.  One thing though... what Bill said about standardized ammo makes a lot of sense.  Hunting with a sling is difficult enough.  You would be much more accurate using ammo that's exactly the same size.  If you don't want to make clay balls as Bill suggests (not a bad idea at all) then I think lead egg sinker fishing weights, about four ounces, would be be great.  The only problem with that is expense.  Your best bet would be to make them yourself.  It's not difficult; I've done it many times. 
    As far as styles, though I like Helicopter a lot, it might not be the best style for hunting because the extra rotations will scare your game off.  Byzantine is a much better choice.  If I was to hunt I'd use Underarm.  It's my most accurate style, it gives your projectile a flatter, line drive sort of trajectory, and if it hits the ground or water prematurely, due to its front spin it will bounce low and forward giving you another chance to hit your game.  Projectiles with back spin associated with overarm styles will either stop dead or bounce straight up... think ping pong or tennis. 
   We have discussed hunting here many times.  I don't think any of us are completely opposed to it.  It's just that VERY few of us have the accuracy to insure a clean kill and we don't want to injure animals.  As long as you eat what you kill and hunt legally you won't catch much grief about hunting on this site. 
   Good luck.  Please let us know how you make out.  And, BTW, welcome to slinging.org.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by curious_aardvark on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:47am

Quote:
One's ideal sling length is generally half of their height so 38" is right on for me.


huh - never thought about it like that - but yep that puts me at around 33 inches - which would be about right lol.

Even us oldtimers Learn something new every day :thumb: 

I have slung a 5lb rock as an experiment - don't recommend trying it - as it could seriously do you damage, but that's probably around the upper limit for a human who isn't a world's strongest man competitor.

2-3 lb would be the sensible upper limit for repetitive slinging - and I'd suggest a lot of strength training concentrating on joints before trying it.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Oct 30th, 2013 at 9:47am
I too am 6'4" so I guess that's why I'm more accurate with a 38in than a 26in. Its like a direct copy of my arm.

Thnx rat man!

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by RJB on Oct 30th, 2013 at 10:01am
I'm 6'3"  I feel the most natural with a 32" - 36" sling. (It feels like a natural throw.) Longer and I have to WORK with the extra length.  Shorter, it seems to snap before I'm ready to release.   

Unless it's very thick brush, a long sling is just as good as a shorter one.  I've occasionally hunted with a 70 inch longbow.  People asked how I moved it through the woods easily.  This question perplexed me.  I'm 5 inches taller and I move through the woods easily, why shouldn't my bow?

The heaviest object I slung was a solid red brick.  It went about 5 times further than I could throw it.  Heavier object don't tend to bother me.  However the lighter ones get me.  With out the weighted resistance I tend to snap my elbow.

With light objects I tend to sling them underhand.  For heavy rocks,  I like the Apache style.  Byzantine is my all around favorite.

Title: Re: What is the best slinging loadout for small game hunting?
Post by Thearos on Oct 30th, 2013 at 1:57pm
500 gr seems too heavy for hunting load, unless 1. you like schlepping large loads of stones 2. you're hunting a bear or cariboo or such like.

For small game, I would have thought that small, fast stones (50-100 gr) would do-- enough to kill the prey without making meat jam.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 30th, 2013 at 4:00pm
I'm horrible at estimating weight, and most people aren't very good either. For reference, the smallest legal golf ball is 2.48 cm3 (I think, I know it's 2.4something). A piece of quartz that size will weigh 0.231 oz. Eggs vary because they're natural, but I'd say they're probably 2 times (?) the size of the golf ball. In that case your quartz weighs just under 1/2 oz or 1/32 lb.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Bill Skinner on Oct 31st, 2013 at 11:39am
I'll guess a golf ball sized quartz is around an ounce (25-35g), that's why I go larger and soak my fired clay glandes.  In blunt force trauma, weight is your friend, to a point.  When your trajectory is similar to a rainbow, you are too heavy. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Oct 31st, 2013 at 5:00pm
doing balaric or helicopter with a 32" sling with 3/4-1# stones WILL hurt you... just try slinging those little beasts for distance.
CA, I am not disagreeing with you...
but I am willing to venture that if I gave you 150-200 rocks, illregular shape and size, each weighing at least a pound, you would have an aching arm by the end of the day.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Oct 31st, 2013 at 5:01pm
Tape a gun to your stone--That way it's sure to be dead!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 31st, 2013 at 5:27pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 4:00pm:
I'm horrible at estimating weight, and most people aren't very good either. For reference, the smallest legal golf ball is 2.48 cm3 (I think, I know it's 2.4something). A piece of quartz that size will weigh 0.231 oz. Eggs vary because they're natural, but I'd say they're probably 2 times (?) the size of the golf ball. In that case your quartz weighs just under 1/2 oz or 1/32 lb.

Okay, I was wrong. Golf balls are about 4 cm3. That's about 3/8 oz for the golf ball and 3/4 oz for the egg.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Nov 1st, 2013 at 8:30am
people we should make standerdized sling . Ill make a topic about it make a system we can all agree on

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 1st, 2013 at 11:24am
You can try. This topic has come up before and we're usually pretty resistant to it. If you want to use a slinging system with a standardized sling look up the Federacion Balear de Tir de Fona at tirdefona.org and use their rules.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Nov 1st, 2013 at 1:46pm
So a golf-ball sized object is only 4 cu cm ?

Made of lead, a golf-ball sized projectile weighs 45g.
Made of granite, such a projectile weighs only about 12 g. Made of limestone, a bit less.

An egg might be 20 cu. cm. In lead, 220 g; in stone, a bit under 60 g.

A "hand-filling stone", nice chunky "smasher" which are the best for retaining speed-- when weighed, they come out at 100-120 g or so.

With a density of 2.7g per cu. cm, a granite stone, to weigh 453 g (1 lb) has to have 168 cu cm volume. Let's suppose it's a sphere--

v =      4 / 3 * pi * r cubed
168= 4/3 * 3.14159 * r cubed
40.11=r cubed

So you're speaking of a sphere about 7 cm across, the size of a grapefruit or a 3lb cannonball, rather bigger than a size 5 bowl.
(For Aussie.)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Timothy Potter on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 1:45pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Masiakasaurus wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 4:00pm:
I'm horrible at estimating weight, and most people aren't very good either. For reference, the smallest legal golf ball is 2.48 cm3 (I think, I know it's 2.4something). A piece of quartz that size will weigh 0.231 oz. Eggs vary because they're natural, but I'd say they're probably 2 times (?) the size of the golf ball. In that case your quartz weighs just under 1/2 oz or 1/32 lb.

Okay, I was wrong. Golf balls are about 4 cm3. That's about 3/8 oz for the golf ball and 3/4 oz for the egg.


I think 4 cm3 seems too small. I read that the smallest size for a legal golf ball is 1.68 inches in diameter, which is a little over 40 cm3.

-Timothy Potter


Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 2:42pm
I was off. 40 cu cm, so a golfball-sized stone would be about 108 gr.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 10:26pm

Timothy Potter wrote on Nov 2nd, 2013 at 1:45pm:
I think 4 cm3 seems too small. I read that the smallest size for a legal golf ball is 1.68 inches in diameter, which is a little over 40 cm3.

-Timothy Potter


Makes sense.
so a golf ball sized lump of granite weighs approx 108 grams... which is more than an ounce......
by a lot
4 cubic cm is a lot smaller than you probably think.
the forumula for a sphere is (4/3)xpixr3
so a 1 cm(diam) ball is only about .53 cm3
while a 2 cm ball is 4.18 cm3
So a 1.68" ball is a lot bigger than you think in terms of volume

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 9:45am
do you think you could hunt with clay glandes?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:17am
me? no. I don't have the accuracy. but if i did, I could.
I can punch them through 1/2 inch plywood, which my arrows(which will kill rabbits)  cannot go though...

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 11:36am
are you talking about lead or clay glandes?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 1:47pm
lead- would kill most animals the size of a cat or smaller.
clay- after soaking in water after firing, they will go through 1/2" plywood- so I think yes.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 1:50pm
thank you

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 2:49pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 1:47pm:
lead- would kill most animals the size of a cat or smaller.
clay- after soaking in water after firing, they will go through 1/2" plywood- so I think yes.


Frankly kid, I'd like to see that; you, throwing any kind of projectile through half inch plywood.

Title: what is this
Post by Slinging_wolf on Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:52pm
I ve asked but don't knowhttp://www.primitiveweapons.com/products/sling.html the long range cradle sling at the bottom of the web page

Title: Re: what is this
Post by squirrelslinger on Nov 4th, 2013 at 9:53pm
I believe it is a sling called a cradle-sling- it extends the functional length of the pouch while also reducing air resistance.
AKA it has the stability of a long pouch(it holds stones well) without the air resistance of a solid part.
It can hold different shapes of stone better, and somewhat balances itself for slinging.
Easy way to make one- cut 2 30", 2 10" pieces of paracord, and cut a rectangle 4x2" of leather.
Punch holes in the corners of the leather, and tie the 2 10 pieces so they form a cradle, sort of like the shape of a normal pouch.  Then tie the 30" pieces in the center of the 10"
pieces crease(like where the normal points of attachments would be if it was solid) and make release knot/tassel and the retention loop.
It makes stones stay int he pouch better.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 4th, 2013 at 10:58pm
It's just a sling. "Cradle sling" is just his name for that specific pattern. The short stick in the picture makes me think the leather is supposed to be molded and cupped to cradle the projectile.

Title: My Personal Sling Grip
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Nov 6th, 2013 at 8:48pm
I just wanted to know if my sling grip is good or bad. I made this up about 2 months after I started slinging and found it to work much better.

I put the loop around my ring finger BUT i thread the cord inbetween my middle and index finger. This is done inside my fist, not the outside. So in other words, the loop is placed backwards, facing me, on my ring finger. The slack is then put inbetween the middle and index fingers. Then my fist is clenched except for my thumb and index finger. The release cord is in the same place everyone else does (thumb and index finger).

I wanted to know if this is bad form or whatever or if I have made a legitimate grip that works for others :-?

This grip does eliminate abrasion on the hand and is much more comfortable imho :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 6th, 2013 at 8:53pm
Bad form is whatever doesn't work for you. This does, so stick with it. :) Almost everything about slinging varies from person to person. I don't remember anyone posting about holding the sling exactly like this. You may have come up with something entirely new to the forum. I make my slings with an longer retention cord and a shorter release cord and I wrap the retention cord around my hand.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Nov 6th, 2013 at 9:33pm
Hey Masi, try it out and see if you like it. Who knows, it might be a revolutionary technique!

maybe not that grand, but whatever :P

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 6th, 2013 at 9:41pm
I'm not a big fan of finger loops, but when I do use them only putting it on my middle finger feels natural.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Nov 7th, 2013 at 10:54am

Masiakasaurus wrote on Nov 6th, 2013 at 9:41pm:
I'm not a big fan of finger loops, but when I do use them only putting it on my middle finger feels natural.


^This makes you sound like the Dos Equis quy.  :)

Yeah, I'm a fan of the ring on the middle finger as well, but I actually do occasionally use the grip you are mentioning when I make the release cord too short (and its even listed in TSG!), so keep using it if it feels right for you.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 7th, 2013 at 11:09am
A mi me gusta la cerveza Dos Equis Ambar.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by blackfur2 on Nov 9th, 2013 at 12:23am
Hi am wondering if sumone can help me am makeing a new sling and was going to make it my short sling I currently use around 30"-34" slings what would be like the best lengh sling for me am 72 "

Also how does everyone work out there best sling lengh is there any special formulas out there  :-?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 9th, 2013 at 3:55am
I reccomend starting with a sling close to half your height but your slings are that length now. Try making a 24" sling, I like that size.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Nov 9th, 2013 at 8:44am
There are many formulas to determine sling length. Three main ways that I use are your height divided by 2.4 (which for you would be 30").

Another is "fingertip to shoulder" which is when you put your fingertips at the center of your arm and stretch your arm out to the side, the retention loop and release knot should come about or just past your shoulder.

Lastly, when you are holding your sling straight by your side, it should be an inch or two off the ground.


This is for 'standard' sling length. You can make three slings with these three methods and they'll all be within an inch or two of eachother.

However, some people (most slingers ;) ) just have to mess up the standard with "what feels right". So I'd recommend starting with a 30" sling with easily removable cords and lengthen or shorten them until you find exactly what's right.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by walter on Nov 9th, 2013 at 1:03pm
I'm six foot tall and started out with 32+" slings, but gradually shortened them. I found that I'm most accurate with a 28" sling (mid pouch to release knot). If you don't want to make a bunch of slings to find the length that is right for you, just tie overhand knots in the cords to shorten them ;)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Nov 9th, 2013 at 10:56pm
I currently use from my fingertips to the center of my chest for a normal sling. going for extra distance, I will sometimes go to my other shoulder(so it is signifigantly longer) and it can add almost 100 feet to the total distance.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Nov 10th, 2013 at 6:10am
Another thought on sling length That works for myself....
I find a I like different lengths for different styles of throw. If its a helicopter based throw with multiple rotations, I can handle a much bigger sling(prefer it actually) than with a more direct style like apache or figure eight. This is totally based on how I like to sling and isn't fact just personal preference.
Another thing worth mentioning is that shorter slings are faster an more accurate to throw but longer slings are slower to wind up but generate more power.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Nov 10th, 2013 at 6:12am
I hope that doesn't complicate your decision but I thought its worth mentioning:)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Nov 10th, 2013 at 9:40pm
Ok so.... Does anybody on here know know about leather lacing?
  I am trying to make a leather pouched sling with a "Mexican round braid" along each side of the pouch. Anyway, it's a new technique for me and I can't get the "braid" to lie evenly on both sides of my leather cut out.  It's nice and full and round on the smooth side but sparse on the flesh side. Is it possible that I need thicker leather to make it round or maybe I'm missing something... I followed this tutorial to a "T".

http://www.slideshare.net/CAkitn/mexican-round-braid-by-anne-newkold

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Nov 12th, 2013 at 1:10am

blackfur2 wrote on Nov 9th, 2013 at 12:23am:
Hi am wondering if sumone can help me am makeing a new sling and was going to make it my short sling I currently use around 30"-34" slings what would be like the best lengh sling for me am 72 "

Also how does everyone work out there best sling length is there any special formulas out there  :-?


I'm the same height as well :)
It depends on the slinger's fancy--and even then, can be rather whimsical and change with one's mood. I've hopped sling lengths from one meter (c. 39") in length to about 20" over the years, depending on what felt "proper" at the time. :)

My current sling is about 30"--the maximum length of my arm. Sometimes I like it shorter for certain styles, so I choke up on the sling by moving the fingerloop from my index finger to my pinky, shortening it a good 3" or so.

So yeah--just play around with any variation you can think of. ;)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by lakeslinger on Nov 13th, 2013 at 5:10am
For the soon coming winter season I`d like to make a new snowball sling. In the past I observed that there are some constructional difficulties to consider, due to the low specific mass of a snowball and therefore an increased sensitivity to disturbance factors in the sling. E.g. I think the release side should not have any knot or stiff part the snowball would be exposed to, leading to a later release. Also the pouch should be very soft to open easily. The release cord is another problem. Because of the low mass and resulting low momentum I chose single cords of synthetic (waterproof) materials like paracord or polypropylene cords to keep the air resistance minimal. The effect was that often this thin cords cut the snowball in two pieces. So this time I´ll try maybe with flat braided cords. The pouch will probably be braided Balearic-style or woven Rockman-style. A leather pouch is not water resistant enough, bicycle inner tube is too stiff and slippery for snowballs. Other synthetic pouch materials like e.g. Tarpaulin would be slippery, too, I suppose and would also require a knotless attachment.    
So what do you think about it or what are your experiences?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Nov 13th, 2013 at 5:56am
Hockey tape pouch like yurek's sling. That worked well for me last winter:)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Nov 13th, 2013 at 6:28am
I disagree on the bike- innertube. I made 3 slings with it that were amazing for snowball fights. the cords don't get very wet, except for a little near the pouch. make sure that you get it well waxed, and linen, jute, and sisal make good slings.
wide pouch, with very large contact area work well...
my current favorite for snowballs is the one I used last winter- the 9x3" leather pouch with 32" paracord cords. it shoots a tennis ball snowball quite nicel..

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Nov 13th, 2013 at 1:28pm

Tomas wrote on Nov 10th, 2013 at 9:40pm:
Ok so.... Does anybody on here know know about leather lacing?
  I am trying to make a leather pouched sling with a "Mexican round braid" along each side of the pouch. Anyway, it's a new technique for me and I can't get the "braid" to lie evenly on both sides of my leather cut out.  It's nice and full and round on the smooth side but sparse on the flesh side. Is it possible that I need thicker leather to make it round or maybe I'm missing something... I followed this tutorial to a "T".

http://www.slideshare.net/CAkitn/mexican-round-braid-by-anne-newkold


Did you find what you were looking for? I can help. PM me.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:38am
Yet another question from yours truly lol
If I'm twisting the strands together to braid a Balearic sling, do I twist them to the inside or the outside? And then does it switch the direction for the next cycle?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by blackfur2 on Dec 8th, 2013 at 10:51am

Tomas wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:38am:
Yet another question from yours truly lol
If I'm twisting the strands together to braid a Balearic sling, do I twist them to the inside or the outside? And then does it switch the direction for the next cycle?


A ask this question and asked  Livermore . You twist it like clockwise with your right and anticlockwise with your left hand as a tryed to make one but twisted them all clock wise but the sling just ends up all twisted

A got a qustion for you Tomas do you think the Mexican braiding would work on the pouch of a king tut sling ??  :-/

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Dec 8th, 2013 at 3:02pm
Inside/outside doesn't matter. Twist your cords in the same direction. Practice with off the shelf cords, twist them, join multi strands, etc. Experiment a little.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Dec 9th, 2013 at 12:04pm
Black fur and Pik, thanks!
I think you count sew the lacing pattern on the edge of the pouch but I would practice with a leather pouch first. I found it to be a hard thing to look good and I would hate to put all that weaving to waste I an experiment. Also it works better with flat cord(I gutted mine to get it to lay flat):) good luck

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Dec 10th, 2013 at 10:29pm
hey guys have yall made a sling madevonly for snow because i tried to sling snow but it just disetagrated to dust

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by deerdude68 on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:37pm

Gslinger5 wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:44am:
Well, this is a small question. It is related to slinging in some way, but somewhere along the lines of general knowledge as well. I was wondering, how the heck do I go about making that "round braid" explained on this How-to article? I've been having some trouble doing it and if someone can find a video on the internet about doing it, I'd be most grateful. I've tried Googling it, but nothing came around for 3-strand braiding, only 4-strand. Anyway, just wondering that...I'll await your answers.
here try this http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/howtos/3strand.htm maybe not round but it will serve you

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Dec 12th, 2013 at 3:53pm

Slinging_wolf wrote on Dec 10th, 2013 at 10:29pm:
hey guys have yall made a sling madevonly for snow because i tried to sling snow but it just disetagrated to dust


Most slings with a cupped pouch will sling snowballs admirably, however, your problem seems to be more snowball related than sling related. Try packing it with your bare hands. The warmth from your hands will slightly melt the outside of the snowball and give it a better density.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Dec 12th, 2013 at 5:39pm
thanks sorry about the grammar

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Willeke on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:24pm
http://knopen.ismijnhobby.nl/tables/braid-text_table.html

Simple braids to start with, going up to more difficult.
It does include three and four strand braids, also the round one.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by jlasud on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:38pm
Snowballs have to be somewhat melted and pressed hard to stay together when slung.
Icy snow just doesn't stay together enough .

Title: projectile weight question.
Post by catsmith on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:38pm
New here.  I have been reading alot here trying to figure something out.......

If i have a few rocks that throw well out of a sling that are close to the same weight,  should i shoot for pouring lead weights about that weight should they throw close to the same as the rocks?

Title: Re: projectile weight question.
Post by Arcane Tinker on Dec 30th, 2013 at 10:53pm
Since lead is so much denser than rock, if you cast a projectile with it of the same weight as your favorite rock, it will be
considerably smaller than the rock.   Smaller equates to less surface area which in turn will lead to less drag and more distance and less "hook".

Smaller also means you can use a smaller pouch, which gives you greater potential for increased throwing speed.


Title: Re: projectile weight question.
Post by jlasud on Dec 31st, 2013 at 3:06am
I've measured a bunch of stones, clay ammo, lead ammo i made,and used.
To me, my prefered stone weight would be too heavy to sling from lead.
For stones,I like 120-150g in weight, about egg sized.
From lead that would be,like my thumb.
Shooting such heavy lead, would drain my lead supply way too fast.

Lead being denser,needs a smaller pouch like Arcane said it too.
So it will have less drag in a sling, so you could take a bit of weight down, which for stones was needed to combat the extra air drag of stones,compared to lead.
So,the lead in a smaller pouch will be faster, to sling,hitting harder,and if you want,you could still take away , a bit of weight and have a projectile hitting about the same.
A 100 gram lead bullet has the chance to hit as hard as a 150 gram stone, I believe. And it's going to travel a faster, farther, and retaining it's hitting power for much further distances.

When I rarely sling lead, i use them for distance,and for that,i prefer  my 57 gram biconicals,they go the farthest,from any weight i've used in lead.

Title: Re: projectile weight question.
Post by Thearos on Dec 31st, 2013 at 8:51am
Historically, lead bullets, military ammo, between ca. 25 and 40 g, if I remember correctly, with some outliers in the 100g range.  Go figure.

Title: Re: projectile weight question.
Post by curious_aardvark on Dec 31st, 2013 at 12:17pm
yep that was to maximise the number of bullets made from lead. And because such small dense bullets would be more likely to penetrate flesh as well as being capable of slinging out to very impressive ranges.
And give the slinger more carried ammunition.

Our ancestors were not idiots :-)

But to answer the original question. Probably yes. 

Title: Are sling length and stone weight related?
Post by Coordinatic on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 8:20am
    A few days ago I made pouch and put about 65cm. long strings on it. Shooting light rocks was easy but heavier ones were troublesome. Earlier today I used the same pouch but with double the string length. Shooting light stones didn't work very well. Heavier ones worked better than before, I almost doubled my range when using them. Is sling length related to optimal stone weight for you too or is it just me?

Title: Re: Are sling length and stone weight related?
Post by Bill Skinner on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:09am
I don't know but my experiences pretty much mirror yours.  I wonder if the small lead glandes that were used in warfare were used with shorter slings and at closer ranges and the heavier ones were used with longer slings for longer ranges.

Title: Re: Are sling length and stone weight related?
Post by squirrelslinger on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 10:04am
I think stone weight is related to cord length and thickness.
my experiences more or less are the same.
Bill, those little glans feel a LOT heavier than they are when you are slinging them.

Title: Re: Are sling length and stone weight related?
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:01am
Yes, sling length and cord weight are related. A heavier stone is needed for a longer/thicker sling to feel the same as a shorter/lighter sling.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:52pm
Aye, think of the sling as a lever! The longer your lever the more weight it can handle. Length is not the only thing that will affect what kind of ammo is suitable for your sling. If you have a thick and heavy sling even a shorter one, you will need heavier ammo than a light slim sling. I'm not sure whether I'm saying a heavy/thick sling is more efficient for heavy ammo or not. Maybe! Somebody on here has the math to say if I'm right or not

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 11:57pm
Yup. What Masi said.  Same with tuning a bow and arrow.  The more you understand various projectile weapons, the more tunable they are and the less one size fits all type theories apply.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Brett on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:54am
Now that you mention bows, I've been doing some flemish twist bowstrings recently.  Has anyone made a BowStringSling?  By this I mean using bowstring materials (Dacron B-50) and standard archery bowstring methods  but making the "string" in sling form?  Possibly a standard two-part twist for the strings and a split (served) pouch?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:08pm
There are good reasons not to.
if you have a beat up old string- cut it in half..... for cords and make a leather pouch.
here is my reason- it would take a LOT of dacron to make it thick enough in the pouch. Probably a few bucks worth.
also, it will twist when strained... probably enough to either turn the pouch inside out or to at least dump the stone.
If braided and well waxed.... Fastflight, with an apache style pouch..... all my objections go away, and if long enough you may have the fastest sling ever made.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Brett on Jan 11th, 2014 at 4:32pm
I was going to use a very thin split "pouch" sort of like a sheep shank sling.  I hadn't thought about the cord twisting under strain  That makes sense. do two-bundle twisted strands twist under strain?  I guess it makes sense they would.... 

As far as I can tell, B-50 which has been previously placed under stress loses a good deal of the initial stretchyness.

Title: Weaving a pouch
Post by Thearos on Jan 11th, 2014 at 4:57pm
I weave my pouches, usually with a long strand (6+m) of twine. It's a pain. Could someone show me how to splice shorter strands, rather than knot them ?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jan 11th, 2014 at 5:50pm

Thearos wrote on Jan 11th, 2014 at 4:57pm:
I weave my pouches, usually with a long strand (6+m) of twine. It's a pain. Could someone show me how to splice shorter strands, rather than knot them ?

I can try to make a tutorial tonight.
Pics will suck because they are taken with a phone(not a smartphone)...

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 11th, 2014 at 7:14pm
We have a splicing tutorial in the FAQ section.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Jan 11th, 2014 at 8:35pm
Oh yes, I remember that thread. In fact, I tried this-- unrevelling, smushing together and twisting-- but the results aren't hugely great. If anyone had detailed isntructions and pics I'd be thankful.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 12th, 2014 at 12:43am
If you want to make an effective splice you've got to weave the two pieces of cords into each other as you twist them. Maybe animated knots can help. You might also want to look for the fisherman's bend tutorial in the FAQ's.

http://www.animatedknots.com/spliceshort/index.php?Categ=splicing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Jan 12th, 2014 at 3:36pm

Thearos wrote on Jan 11th, 2014 at 4:57pm:
I weave my pouches, usually with a long strand (6+m) of twine. It's a pain. Could someone show me how to splice shorter strands, rather than knot them ?


What design of pouch and sort of twine are you using? Maybe there is a work-around instead of splicing. Have you tried bobbins or a netting needle to store the thread? I usually try to avoid splices. They require additional (needle) work and, depending on the thread/string, are a pain to make and are sometimes a point of weakness, depending on the choosen splicing technique and material.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Jan 12th, 2014 at 4:13pm
Twine: not cotton (unconvincing feel), so it's jute, or sometimes some sort of brown, harsh, fuzzy wrapping twine which gives stiff but not bad slings.

Pouch design: sling is usually 3 (sometimes 6) strands, simply braided for the finger loop, then doubled over for the main body of the sling, hence pouch has 6 (somtimes 12) strands. Weaving then starts between 2 lines, then 3, then 4, then 6, then 4, then 3, then 2. Never looks very nice, and I usually simply keep the the lines apart with my left hand.

Yes, I have used a hairpin as a needle. A bobbin or shuttle actually might be a great idea. What do you use, Teg ?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Jan 13th, 2014 at 3:49pm
So, then you use most probably twisted string out of rough material, not too thick ones...

Bobbins: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1369657458
Easy to store and to carry around. Also useful as a small counterweight. Attach your sling on a table, e.g. with a pile of books, and drop the bobbins over the edge. The threads will stay in order. Then you can pass the bobbin with the weft around. Should simplify your work a bit. Just experiment a bit until you find your favourite size.

Work-around if you prefer using shorter strands:
This works only if you work tight and use not slippery material. You will also need a needle. Cut a piece of string. Start to weave until you nearly run out of string. Then, with the needle, put your string along the warp threads back under the weft. Introduce a new weft in the same way. You can also place the new weft while weaving with the old weft.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Jan 13th, 2014 at 4:33pm
Smart, thanks

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:28pm
Marudai? Or at least that's what I think the braiding discs are called.... Can you braid tightly and quickly with them compared to by hand?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 13th, 2014 at 11:01pm

Tomas wrote on Jan 13th, 2014 at 10:28pm:
Marudai? Or at least that's what I think the braiding discs are called.... Can you braid tightly and quickly with them compared to by hand?

I'm faster by hand, but more accurate with a marudai. The braid also comes out tighter, and things just seem a whole lot easier with the marudai.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Jan 14th, 2014 at 5:15am
I just thought of using a small disc of cardboard, pierced in the centre, as a spool-shuttle, to weave a pouch. Is that what a braiding-disk is ?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 14th, 2014 at 10:38am
I'm not sure what you mean by spool-shuttle.


A Madurai/braiding disk can be made from a round of cardboard with a hole in the center. The braided portion of the work is fed through the hole in the center and the rim has lots of slits to hold the working portion of the braid. http://youtu.be/0RNbFjvZycs

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Jan 14th, 2014 at 2:39pm
No, I just meant a spool or a spindle to use to weave the pouch-- in the form of disk.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jan 15th, 2014 at 2:06pm
Looks like I'll be trying marudai next. I imagine it's easier on the hands

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Steven on Jan 16th, 2014 at 5:47pm
Marudai  ... round disk  with a hole in the center usually on a low stand with a slightly raised rim around the center hole and a slightly raised rim around the outer edge ...l makes picking the threads easier ... no notches in the rim ..
weighted bobbins and a weight on the center braid maintain an automatic tension level and the threads can just be moved in the magic weave pattern and braided cord appears in the center...A braiding disk is usually held in the hand and has notches around the rim for thread control. The same weaving magic applies to a braiding disk.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MattTheHall on Jan 20th, 2014 at 5:15pm
Hello all :-). New to the forum and to slinging. Made a very simple first sling, which I consider my test sling until I know what I like. Then I will spend the time making a proper braided sling.

Mine is made of para cord and an old trouser leg. My question is regarding ammo size and pouch construction. The pouch is about 5" x 3", and is held by whippings to the para cord. I can sling ok with it, but I find myself holding back a bit. I don't trust that the pouch will for sure hold onto the stone if I really go for it. The pouch has no natural cup shape, which I suspect at be part of it. Maybe it is too big? The smallest stone I would even try is golf ball sized. Anything smaller tens to fall out. Between golf ball and smaller than baseball has been the most stable so far, and this seems incorrect, like, this is too big of ammo. Did I do something wrong? Any ideas for modifying the pouch to make it hold stones better? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

--Matt

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 20th, 2014 at 5:47pm
That's the ammo size range that I tend to use. Without seeing a picture of your sling or a video of you slinging it's impossible to tell if you're doing something wrong.

If you would like to make the pouch cup, try shaping it like this:
slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1235334392
I also suggest you try to find some leather, cloth patches tend to rip and don't make the best pouches without being reinforced.

Most of slinging is about personal preference. I prefer split pouches made of parallel straps with nothing between them or flat pouches with no cupping.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 24th, 2014 at 2:07pm
Massi is right in that you can't just cut a piece of cloth and poke a couple of holes in it and expect it to last very long. Also, leather does make a better pouch. It's a favorite of mine however a good sling can be made from just about anything if you have the skills. You can always make a good sling with no other tools than a pocket knife and/or a pair of scissors.  From start to finish, including editing pictures this sling took me less than an hour to make. I'm adding a sequence of photos to show how this one was made.
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 24th, 2014 at 2:09pm
Cut the material to size. For reference the background grid is 1'x1'.
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 24th, 2014 at 2:11pm
Fold your material, overlapping the edges as this will act as reinforcement.
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 24th, 2014 at 2:12pm
Attach the cords by tucking the end of the cloth through the cord loop and bind with whipping.
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 24th, 2014 at 2:17pm
Completed pouch.
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 24th, 2014 at 2:19pm
Completed sling. I used a piece of denim cut from an old pair of pants and a pair of boot laces.

This sling will last a long time. Not as long as leather or other materials but it's a bomb-proof design and a way to make a sling on a shoe-string budget.
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MattTheHall on Jan 25th, 2014 at 10:48pm
Based on Pikaru's sling, I am wondering if I made my pouch too big. This brings me to ask about pouch design. Should the pouch be larger or smaller than the intended projectile? Also, Pikaru, what is the idea behind the small hole in the middle of your pouch? Does it help cup the projectile?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 25th, 2014 at 11:04pm
Yes, the hole in the center helps to seat the projectile. As for the pouch being larger or smaller than the projectile, I've made and used both ways. I haven't noticed a difference in performance between the two.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Jan 26th, 2014 at 12:38am
Yo pikaru mind telling me how you go about making those tunes on your clay glandes

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 26th, 2014 at 10:41pm
Will the real Pikaru please stand up.  ;)

Matt - The width of your pouch should be a little bigger than your intended projectile otherwise you may experience early release which as you know, all guys hate.

The slit or hole in the pouch is to seat your projectile, like my impostor said earlier. When using leather for the pouch I cut a diamond shaped hole or a cross shaped slit in the center of the pouch. With cloth only a slit, cut parallel to the slings construction so you don't create a tear across your pouch.

Slinging_wolf - I make them with a toothpick while the clay is still wet. When they're almost dry I hit them with a wet sponge to smooth out the impression then do a final cleaning of the lines, again with a toothpick then let the bullets dry fully before firing in the kiln.






Title: Re: Let off point
Post by OldSalt on Jan 27th, 2014 at 7:15pm
A sling and its projectile travel in an Arc. When you let go of the release the rock flies in an almost straight line to the target . There must be an optimal point in the arc to judge the release point  for best chance of a target hit . how is this figured?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jan 27th, 2014 at 9:37pm
Mostly, it's automatic. The sling extends your arm, but the point in the arc where the projectile will fly forward is about the same as when throwing without the sling. Fine adjustments will come with practice, but start by letting go at about the same time as when you would if you were holding the projectile.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 27th, 2014 at 10:04pm

OldSalt wrote on Jan 27th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
A sling and its projectile travel in an Arc. When you let go of the release the rock flies in an almost straight line to the target . There must be an optimal point in the arc to judge the release point  for best chance of a target hit . how is this figured?


Practice  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Jan 28th, 2014 at 5:07am
The question seems to envision things thus. The sling rotates like a propeller, and release occurs at one point in the circle, and the stone leaves at a tangent; the slinger must evaluate when to release and control the tangent.

It's true that release point is very important. But the revolutions are really not the thing that generates the power-- it's a forward throwing movement that controlls the trajectory of the sling pouch. The body changes dynamically during the process, and directs the release forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHV2WYdfTI

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Pikåru on Jan 30th, 2014 at 9:00pm
Have always liked this video. I bet this person has a lot of practice behind him to throw like that.

Title: Shoelace Sling?
Post by hassan on Feb 8th, 2014 at 3:52pm
Is there a way to make an effective hunting/self defense sling using either one or two standard length shoelace strings?

Thanks for the help!

Title: Re: Shoelace Sling?
Post by timpa on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:15pm
I often use my videos scarf. Large pouch that can hold a lot of rocks.

Title: Re: Shoelace Sling?
Post by walter on Feb 8th, 2014 at 6:18pm
hassan, six feet of cord can make a good sheepshank sling. Just find the middle, run the cord back and forth and tie the pouch at both ends with a half hitch. Tie a finger loop at one end and a knot at the other and your done. You can weave another piece of cord between the warps and it will be easier to use :) These are Ratmans fav I think. Pretty sure he did a how to
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 8th, 2014 at 8:14pm
Yep, an appu sling can be made from a single shoelace and a TS3 slings can be made from an appu sling and a shoelace.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 12th, 2014 at 1:25pm
Would it be possible for someone to add the following tutorials to the list on Aussie's FAQ/Tutorials thread?
It took me forever to find Hubert's Lahun sling tutorial, and I know I can't be the only one to feel that pain as of late. ;)

Hubert's Kahun/Lahun Sling tutorial:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1364114006/0

Lakeslinger's 3rd woven shepherd's pouch tutorial:
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382274959

Balearic sling tutorial, by yours truly 8-):
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382647725

Aurelio's Balearic Sling tutorial [VIDEO] :
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368996766

(These are just the ones I'm aware of appearing after Aussie's passing. There's probably a couple more that I'm not aware of)

EDIT: Corrected the Balearic sling tutorial's URL

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by walter on Feb 12th, 2014 at 5:50pm
Missed Hubert's pictorial. Thanks for the links Donnerschlag :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:12pm
Check your link for the Balearic Sling Tutorial. It goes to Project Goliath and York Sling replicas.

[edit]I'll take care of the Sticky, btw.[/edit]

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:13am
Oopsies.  :o :P

Here we go~
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382647725


No prob, Walter :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by starhiker on Feb 15th, 2014 at 1:07pm
Years ago when I first started reading about slings, I found an article that listed the five parts of a sling. They were listed as the retention shank, retention cord, socket, release cord, and the release node. I don't know where I found this information. Since then, I have frequently heard usage of retention cord and release cord. I can't recall ever hearing anyone call the finger loup a retention shank. Also I've never heard anyone call the pouch a socket or the little knot a release node. My question is are these terms inaccurate or antiquated or regional specific or are these still recognized as the appropriate names for the parts of a sling?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Timothy Potter on Feb 15th, 2014 at 1:37pm

starhiker wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 1:07pm:
Years ago when I first started reading about slings, I found an article that listed the five parts of a sling. They were listed as the retention shank, retention cord, socket, release cord, and the release node. I don't know where I found this information. Since then, I have frequently heard usage of retention cord and release cord. I can't recall ever hearing anyone call the finger loup a retention shank. Also I've never heard anyone call the pouch a socket or the little knot a release node. My question is are these terms inaccurate or antiquated or regional specific or are these still recognized as the appropriate names for the parts of a sling?


A Google search turned up this article: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/04/367630.html. I hadn't seen it before, but it looks like it uses the terms you remember. I haven't heard those terms used much for the parts of a sling, but there is a good sized bibliography at the end of the article, so maybe some of those sources use the terms that the author used. Another possibility that comes to mind is that those terms might have been translated into English from another language, and that could be why they are different.

-Timothy Potter

Title: Advantages to different pouches?
Post by liamvswild32 on Mar 1st, 2014 at 9:26am
So I've been really frustrated my first two days of slinging. I just haven't been able to get a good technique or even a good grip on the ammo (at this point I'm using random jagged rocks). But i was thinking the bad grip may be from the pouch I'm using which is woven clothesline. My question is: What's the reason for using woven and not leather or a net? And are their any "combos," ie. paracord+leather,
sisal twine+net?
THANK YOU.

Title: Re: Advantages to different pouches?
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 1st, 2014 at 10:12am
try a paracord- leather type,
either cradle or basic.
if you are talking about plastic-covered clothesline... yep... that stuff is slicker than just about anything.

if you can't get paracord, make a peacefuljeffry sling from paracord. I have a couple that I use to throw ragged rocks....
I don't have access to smooth river pebbles either.

Title: Re: Advantages to different pouches?
Post by Pikåru on Mar 1st, 2014 at 1:05pm
Your options are endless and only through trial and error will you find what works for you. Everyone will have an opinion and answers so keep slinging and asking.

Through all of my trial and error, braided and tapered cords with a leather pouch works well. This, my everyday sling, will cheerfully throw lead glandes, clay biconicals, smooth stones and even jagged rocks.

Soft leather pouch with a hole in the center will help. Anchor and release cords can be made of what you have available. Jute is readily available and cheap if you're slinging on a budget.
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Title: Re: Advantages to different pouches?
Post by Donnerschlag on Mar 1st, 2014 at 1:45pm
In most cases, this seems to be more an issue with how smoothly you can accelerate the stone on the wind-up and such. If you have moments where your cords go from taught to slightly limp, and then snap back to taught again, then you may want to consider a wider, slightly cupped pouch until you naturally dial in a bit more. :)

If you have some leather, try making what we call an "Aussie pouch". Easy to make, naturally cups deeply, and you can chuck tennis balls, golf balls, and anything in-between with it. Probably the most foolproof of pouch designs for beginners that I know of. (Not that most leather pouches are difficult ::))

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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Mar 1st, 2014 at 1:55pm
Pikaru and Donnerschlag pretty much covered it. The advantages of certain styles of slings are mostly down to personal preference, but it's usually problems with technique that cause problems while slinging. Without being able to see a picture of your sling or a video of you slinging we can't help you much.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 7:00am
Hmmm different pouches..... They come in all different shapes and sizes and that part is up to you like the rest said. If you're losing ammo you might try using a grippier material. I imagine clothesline is quite slippery and stiff. Natural materials whether it's leather or jute or any other fibrous cord will grip better than synthetics even if they are the same pouch shape. As well split type pouches will drop the ammo easier than solid pouches.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by liamvswild32 on Mar 2nd, 2014 at 9:21am
Thanks guys, before i get my hands on some jute twine Ill try the leather with a hole pouch. I'll look around for some pics of a "peacfuljeffry sling" so i can make one of those too.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 10:35am
there is a tutorial on the website.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by liamvswild32 on Mar 3rd, 2014 at 3:18pm
oh i didnt relize that jeffrey was the author of that article. lol. Anyway that was the weave that i used with my first sling, only shorter strings, 1.5 ft.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Mar 4th, 2014 at 8:24pm
   I'd just like to add that if it's the cotton or cotton-like clothesline that you're referring to, that makes a rather nice sling IMHO.  I've made some wicked slings with it, especially pjs and TS3s. 
    Here's the link to the pj sling.  It's one of my favorites and always a great choice.  It's relatively easy to make, looks good, and works at least as well as anything else out there.  I generally make mine with elongated pouches.    http://slinging.org/index.php?page=5-strand-woven-paracord-sling-tutorial---jeffrey

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by blackfur2 on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:11pm
Hey I am just wondering if any one here has used pva glue to stiffen nylon/poly cord ??

I made a sling with cheep cord and it is not as stiff as I would like so was thinking of using pva mixed with some water and give it a good coat would this work ??  :-?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:23pm
I haven't tried glue, but I think beeswax might work better.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MattTheHall on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 9:33pm
Well,

I ended up going with a woven pouch sling of the paracord variety, single string.

I found a pretty perfect place to practice -- a river nearby with an endless supply of rocks, little foot traffic (so I don't brain someone), and a handy target out in the river (I think it was a river depth sign, but now it is washed out).

Anyway, just wondering if some overhand throwers can give me some tips on accuracy. Specifically,

1) How long is your sling? Mine is about 2 inches or so off the ground when I hold my arm out straight to the side. I kinda feel like it is too long, like if I get my whole arm into it, I will hit the ground. I am 5'7" to 5'8", btw.

2) Practice...so, do you just huck rocks until you start hitting things? I tried to get real close, but kept overshooting. I backed up until I stopped overshooting, but I wasn't throwing at full power. Almost hit the damn sign 1/100 times. The darn wind gusted right at the last moment, and my rock tracked to the right like 10 feet. I can get close, but no cigar, yet...any tips?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 10:13pm
1) I'm 5'6" to 5'7" and my slings are between 24" and 36" measured between the middle of the pouch to where I hold the release knot aka folded in half. I usually recommend making a sling about 1/2 of you height.

2) Yep, practice makes perfect. Try to be consistent: use the same stance, same sling, throwing style, and amount of effort every time until you can dial in the accuracy some more.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MattTheHall on Mar 23rd, 2014 at 11:18pm
Thank you very much, I'll keep at it!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by walter on Mar 24th, 2014 at 1:07am
What masi said, but also, when your sling is loaded with your consistent ammo of choice, the pouch should be an inch or two above ground level when your throwing arm is hanging straight down by your side ;)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 24th, 2014 at 9:07pm

Masiakasaurus wrote on Mar 22nd, 2014 at 10:23pm:
I haven't tried glue, but I think beeswax might work better.

yep beeswax works very well...

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MattTheHall on Mar 24th, 2014 at 11:45pm
Wait, not out to my side? With my sling loaded, if I hold my arm straight out to the side, parallel to the ground, the pouch is just above the ground. Is this incorrect?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by curious_aardvark on Mar 25th, 2014 at 7:32am
nope that would be a long sling for distance throwing.

An everyday multipurpose sling should hang just off the ground with your arm held DOWN at your side.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MattTheHall on Mar 25th, 2014 at 8:45am
Well crap. I will try that out and see if I have a better time of it. It will take some practice to re-learn the timing I bet. Thanks!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Mar 25th, 2014 at 5:59pm
Wait: when the pouch is grazing the ground, do both cords come to mid-thigh/hip level, or shoulder level? Mid-thigh/hip is a good medium-ish length sling. This can also be measured as the length of your arm. ;)
(doesn't really matter if your fingers are completely out-stretched or in a fist when you measure this. It's just up to your personal preference :P)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by MattTheHall on Mar 30th, 2014 at 10:44pm
Well, I shortened the sling. It is going to take some practice to re-learn the timing. I can sling in one motion if I start with the pouch loaded and down near the ground, but if I try to add some revolutions for speed/power, I can't figure out how to use my whole arm for the throw.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Mar 31st, 2014 at 1:02pm
In my opinion the speed/power doesn't come from the revolutions. The revolutions are more to get a feeling for the stone and get it well seated in the pouch. The way I shoot, the arm does not make a big motion. It is actually more or less the same motion as when throwing a ball. You start behind your head, pass beside it and then "point towards the target" with your hand. The power comes from body movement meaning contorsion of hip, stomach and shoulder. Just start relaxed and slowly. When you have the timing you can still add some more power.

Some videos:
How I sling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5U3hFpqA_w
http://youtu.be/jIj6gMZ9nrg?t=41s

And from whom I learned it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBl8PuVvT7c&list=UU8r9_fvxO1tQ-vgzCArGg1A

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Mar 31st, 2014 at 2:37pm
What Teg said

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:12pm
Yes I agree the revolutions are just to get you situated into a throwing position. Keep your elbows level with your shoulders when throwing to keep your shoulder in a neutral position. It also helps keep your aim straight... Or at least it helps me!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 31st, 2014 at 9:57pm
All the power comes from the last 1/2 rotation.
Regardless.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Apr 9th, 2014 at 9:25am
Nice shooting, Teg

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Apr 9th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Thearos wrote on Apr 9th, 2014 at 9:25am:
Nice shooting, Teg

Thank you!  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Geronimo on Apr 12th, 2014 at 6:00pm
Which finger do you guys use for the retention loop? I personally prefer my thumb.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Apr 12th, 2014 at 6:10pm
That's the first time I've heard of that. For me, medius (rarely) if sling is "outside" the hand; more usually, pinkie with retention crossing my palm.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 12th, 2014 at 7:35pm
The sling releases sooner after you actually release the (release) cord the closer the (retention) other cord is to the pointer finger.
I have found I get a very snappy release with figure 8 if I put it on my pointer finger.
Many people on here use their ring finger, pinkie, or middle finger, with the cord going through their palm, out through the gap between the pointer finger and the thumb. it gives roughly the same release timing as putting the retention cord on the pointer finger.
Try various fingers, as well as the cord going out between various fingers. You will notice a difference in timing.
I personally use my pinkie with the cord going straight down from my pinkie(aka the cord is never in my palm), except with very heavy stones, as it IS possible to dislocate your pinkie if the cord is near the 2nd joint and it is a BIG stone(over 1 pound). I use a wrist loop with such things.
BTW you can damage your shoulder/elbow by throwing very heavy stones. I messed up my elbow, but it healed.
Use whatever you find best.
Its different for all of us.


Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by rwendland on May 13th, 2014 at 9:26pm
Hi All!  Just started slinging and was wondering if there is a preferred size for the pouch?  I've read that the sling length should be half my height, but have not read anything regarding pouch size.  Is there a standard that is accepted, or does it vary based on ammo/slinger preference?  Thanks!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by jlasud on May 14th, 2014 at 3:12am
Best pouch is the one that holds your usual ammo,and the majority you use securely ,while allowing it to release quickly.

Adjust size according to your ammo size. personally i think an Aussie pouch or a David Morningstar cupped is the most secure for most ammo. Split pouches best for uniform biconicals,egg shaped,and somewhat for spherical.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on May 15th, 2014 at 3:26pm
Everyone will have a different answer to this question.  I generally sling egg sized stones.  I find a five inch long pouch ideal for such ammo.  Your best bet is to experiment and find what works best for you. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 1st, 2014 at 12:36pm
ok i have a question its about speed. I know speed dosent matter that much but it does matter for straighter flight paths and more damaging power. so my question is how does the wait of the sling effect the speed and accuracy of the throw?
like ive made slings that are just a leather pouch and single strand paracord that are really light but now im going to try my hand at braiding. so does the stiffness and weight that you gain from braiding help the speed and accuracy? because if it didnt why are all the really "good" slings like the balearic slings braided and look really heavy and stiff?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 1st, 2014 at 12:38pm
Or does it really all revolve around the weight of your ammo?
so summed up what are the advantages to braided/heavier slings?
just wondering before i try any complicated braided slings.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jun 1st, 2014 at 1:12pm
A thicker sling with more air resistance feels more controllable meaning that I could be a little more accurate at first. That does not mean that thinner cords a re less accurate, just that thin cords are not forgiving of bad technique. Very thick sling cords were my favorite when I first started slinging, but I gradually made them thinner and thinner as my skills improved. Thinner cords let me throw my projectiles faster. Total weight is not very important. You need your sling to be kind of light and your projectile to be kind of heavy so that the whole thing will swing well. If the projectile is too light compared to the sling then it will have a large trailing angle which will mess up the throw. I've used tennis balls with thick slings, so you've got a lot of room for what is heavy enough. The way a sling is made mostly doesn't matter as long as the pouch is centered well and the release/retention cords are proportional. Any well made sling will work the same as any other well made sling; they will just feel different. And how you want you sling to feel while you're throwing is up to personal preference.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 1st, 2014 at 1:32pm
Thanks for your insight i really appreciate it.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jun 1st, 2014 at 1:42pm
Also with really bulky slings you tend to feel both the weight of the stone and the sling. When I sling, as much as possible, I only want to feel the weight of the stone. Again, personal preference, but as target slinging gets more popular I bet that there will eventually be a general shift towards very light slings because of that.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 1st, 2014 at 7:28pm
yeah i get you that makes good sense thanks for the help

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 8:34pm
Hey guys i got one more question so ive been playing around with tennis balls and accuracy and im having a little trouble. Im pretty accurate up and down but im having a little trouble pinning the target left and right. so i just want to know if slow revolutions are more accurate? i allready know a shorter sling is generally more accurate so im assuming a slow controled side arm rotation with a slightly shorter sling would be a good place to start for accuracy. is that fundamentaly correct?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 8:46pm
You might be more accurate trying a different style of throw, like figure-8 or Greek. You should try them all and see which works best for you.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Jun 4th, 2014 at 10:35am

sharpshooterjd wrote on Jun 3rd, 2014 at 8:34pm:
Hey guys i got one more question so ive been playing around with tennis balls and accuracy and im having a little trouble. Im pretty accurate up and down but im having a little trouble pinning the target left and right. so i just want to know if slow revolutions are more accurate? i allready know a shorter sling is generally more accurate so im assuming a slow controled side arm rotation with a slightly shorter sling would be a good place to start for accuracy. is that fundamentaly correct?


As Masi, said try out some other styles as well, see which feels most natural/comfortable and work from there. Controlled sling is more accurate than wild slinging, but "slow" is a very relative term which has been debated here pretty extensively. First off, if you are using a multi-rotational style like underhand or helicopter, those pre-rotations don't require any significant speed. In any style, 80% of the power is generated in the last 1/3 rotation. I personally rotate faster than some but it is still well within my personal controllable range.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkAdj5wB1MQ

As far as sling length and accuracy, most prefer around 24"-30" but there is some huge variation there as well. That is my personal recommendation though. My slings with which I have been most accurate are around 28 or 29 inches. Whether sidearm itself will be more accurate is dependent on the slinger.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 4th, 2014 at 11:20am
I am proficient at greek and sometimes use it. I am all right at figure 8 but honestly my preferred technique is very similar to the one demonstrated in the video 2 to 3 rotations cross between underhand and sidearm i really like this technique i feel that it gives me both accuracy and power. I appreciate the help i guess i just need more practice and some tweaking of technique and the length of my slings. I hope to post some youtube videos of me doing target practice in the near future so at least then i can show you the technique im using. Thanks

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Bill Skinner on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:49am
No matter what style that you settle on, it comes down to lots of practice.  Lots and lots.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 5th, 2014 at 11:34am
yeah i can definitely agree on that lots of practice and patience.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Jun 7th, 2014 at 5:43pm
I have a response to your question about sling weight.  One advantage to a heavier, braided sling is that you can fire any projectile from it.  If your sling is heavy enough to snap or crack when you dry fire it (fire it empty) then you can use any sized ammo with it, even the tiniest. 
   Other than that Mas hit the nail on the head with his statement, "Any well made sling will work the same as any other well made sling; they will just feel different. And how you want you sling to feel while you're throwing is up to personal preference."  I have many braided slings with thick cords and heavy pouches, like my Cobra design, and I have many slings with thin cords like the pj, Aussie Pouch, Seat Belt, Leather Pouch like c_a uses, and other such designs.  If properly made they all work well. Experiment to find what works best for you.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by sharpshooterjd on Jun 7th, 2014 at 9:13pm
Good to know thanks a lot i really appreciate all the feedback!

Title: I'm new, and I need some help slingin'
Post by Mansomebodytookmyname on Jun 8th, 2014 at 6:38pm
I have been slinging on and off for 6 months now(?), but I have never been able to hit my target, have a good style, have a good sling or ammo. If anybody has any combination of style, sling type (that is either cheap or easily made) and good ammo, or any of the three, I would thank you :).

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jun 8th, 2014 at 7:29pm
It helps to know what kind of sling, ammo, and technique you already have. Also, what do you use as a target and how far away is it?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jun 9th, 2014 at 11:36pm
go for a 1 yard square or LARGER target at roughly 15 feet.
I like a wider target for helicopter and a taller one for figure 8.
Use either
1. tennis balls
2. golf balls
3. clay balls, hand rolled, +10 grams or less(not too hard to make)
4. other HIGHLY consistant SPHERICAL ammo.
do NOT use rough, irregular rocks, even if that is all you have. I started with those, and not being able to hit anything past 10 yards dismayed me so much I didn't even try accuracy training much for my first 2 years of slinging. I joined here, and last year I started accuracy training.
as for slings- there are 3 main requirements
1. use the same sling. It is surprising how good you can get if you only use one sling VS 5-6 different slings. even using only 2 slings, even if they seem identical, can throw you off a LOT. Hence, the sling MUST be durable.
2. the sling must be CONSISTANT. this is diffucult.
I
I'll finish this up sometime.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jun 10th, 2014 at 12:01am
You can find meatballers on the net for cheap.

I use a ratio of 6:3:2 - Concrete, masonry mix, water.  That will get you close but you need to fine tune it most of the time by a little mist from a spray bottle, or if too wet, a little sprinkling of masonry mix. If using a meatballer, get it just wet enough that you can form a sphere by hand without any cracks showing visibly on the outside of the sphere. If you squeeze the ball as hard as you possibly can and perhaps at most 1 drop should collect on the bottom.  The meatballer will then compress it even more than you can by hand. That's why you want it a little dryer than if you were hand making them.  You will know the mix is not too wet if after compressing you can place the finished ammo on a flat surface and it will not sag at all out of the sphereical shape.

Keep some fine sand nearby so you can coat the inside of the meatballer to keep it from sticking. It takes a little while but you can make nice ammo, if you don't mind using spheres.

A 1 3/4 inch meatballer makes something in the range of 4 ounces I think? Been awhile since I've used them.

Best advice I can give you would be to post a decent video from a few different angles of you slinging at a decent size, fairly close target while using good ammo. And a good photo of your sling. There are many veteran slingers on this site and you could potentially save a lot of time with some of the tips you could get. But only if we can see what your doing. Without that, it's anyone's guess. Good luck.  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jun 26th, 2014 at 8:11pm
I keep getting to the right and (more commonly) the left of my target when trying to use my Apache style throw and rocks I pick up even at ranges of 15', what am I doing wrong?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jun 26th, 2014 at 9:44pm
How big are the rocks? What shape are the rocks and how uniform are they? How close to truly vertical is your apache style throw? How long is your sling?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jun 27th, 2014 at 7:37am
As for shape well... they come from a cinder block I busted up and are about fist sized. My sling is 31" to the center of the pouch. I think the problem is my form because at 15' projectile shape should have little effect.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Jun 28th, 2014 at 1:52pm
Hi, The Oncoming Storm;
   Welcome.  Though at 15' you wouldn't expect ammo shape to make much difference, busted up cinder block is the wrong ammo to achieve accuracy.  It's fine for hurling as far as you can but if you're trying for accuracy standard sized ammo is your best bet.  As you said though, from 15' you'd expect that there's something else wrong.  Are you able to video your slinging and post it for us.  That's really the only way we'll be able to tell you if you're doing something wrong. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jun 29th, 2014 at 5:32pm
Time to reply I guess, I don't have a camera to film me slinging. However on another slinging related note, I need help on how to make a staff sling that can be pointed at whatever launch angle I wish and then slung to release at that angle without falling off when I angle it up for a 45% shot.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jun 29th, 2014 at 5:38pm
busted up cinder block is like using rabbit turds in a .308.
no offense...

Close range slinging is actually extremely diffucult- the stone is not released from the center of your body, it is released 3 feet to the side or up to 4 feet above.
which makes the angles really wierd.
start at 25-30 feet, (yea, you may hit the target slightly less) that way the angle has FAR less effect.
cinder blocks combine the low weight of uncompacted dirt, which the inconsistancy of rubble, with the abrasion of broken glass.
:) great combo!
take some dirt and roll it into balls.
if you have clay, it does better...
clay balls around 2" is one of the best ammo for accuracy practice, they are cheap, biodegradable(well, if you don't fire them), and extremely consistant.
I actually dig my clay from by backyard, smush it in rough sheets 1.5"thick, cut it into cubes 1.5" by 1.5", and roll into balls.

golf balls are more expensive- but recycled golf balls are pretty cheap. and extremely consistant.
busted up cinder block is also pretty light.
go for smooth pebbles, rough(but dense) rocks, or mud/clay balls.
lead glans or smooth pebbles for distance chucking. you would be surprised what a difference a smooth pebble can make compared to a rough rock of the same weight.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jun 29th, 2014 at 5:39pm
smooth pebbles can easily be found in natural creeks, along roads(sometimes) or by going to your local landscaping place and buying bags of river pebbles($5 for a month of slinging ammo).
landscaping rock(the white marble stuff) is pretty good too.



Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jun 29th, 2014 at 10:12pm

squirrelslinger wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 5:38pm:
busted up cinder block is like using rabbit turds in a .308.
no offense...



So true, and so well put.  :)

Or think about it this way.  You are an Olympic target archer with an expensive tricked out bow and years of practice and as your walking up to your target you grab a bunch of gnarled branches off a tree for arrows. That's essentially what a slinger is doing when they use that type of ammo.  And trust me we've all done it.  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jun 30th, 2014 at 7:19pm
I need help on how to make a staff sling that can be pointed at whatever launch angle I wish and then slung to release at that angle without falling off when I angle it back for a 45% shot.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jul 1st, 2014 at 6:42am
Storm- if you want it to release at the same angle every time you a machine like a trebuchet or catapult. If you're doin it by hand you need find your release point and focus on consistently having it be the same.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jul 1st, 2014 at 8:45am
Clearly you missed the word "Staff" before sling in that last post I made tomas.

I like the idea of having both a sling and staff sling because a sling isn't nearly easy to master, and a staff sling can hurl large stones or gravels to get a shotgun effect.

And I want it to be able to point it back and hurl with my staff sling and get it get too release so that the projectile flies at the same angle I had pointed it.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jul 2nd, 2014 at 12:25pm
Lol no I saw it loud and clear old chap! What I'm trying to get at is the only way to consistently release at the same angle is to have that angle machanically set like the war machines do. If you're operating a staff sling you will have to practice a lot to get that type of consistency. Even with practice it's still affected by variations in your body's movements so it's never going to be releasing at that perfect angle every time:(

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Jul 6th, 2014 at 4:24pm
   I don't think The Oncoming Storm wants a staff sling that releases at the exact same angle every time.  If I'm reading his statement correctly, he wants a staff sling that will shoot at any angle without the release loop falling off prematurely.  Although off the top of my head I don't know how to do this, such a sling would have to involve a modified trigger system that would hold onto the release loop at any angle until you are ready to fire.  I think that with some thought this can be accomplished and could be very useful. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jul 6th, 2014 at 8:00pm
Oncoming storm, if Ratman's description is correct I may have a weapon that would suit your needs. Awhile back I was working on a weapon design that is basically a 1 handed staff sling that can be released at whatever angle the user desires. The power was surprisingly good but once the proof of concept was done I never thought of it again. Let me know if this is what you are talking about and I will try to post it.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jul 8th, 2014 at 7:35am
That sounds, just like what I was thinking of only with a smaller staff, please post it.

(off this topic)
is their any particular reason that all the photo's in posts don't work for me?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jul 8th, 2014 at 10:03am

Morphy wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 8:00pm:
Oncoming storm, if Ratman's description is correct I may have a weapon that would suit your needs. Awhile back I was working on a weapon design that is basically a 1 handed staff sling that can be released at whatever angle the user desires. The power was surprisingly good but once the proof of concept was done I never thought of it again. Let me know if this is what you are talking about and I will try to post it.

you should post this.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jul 8th, 2014 at 7:26pm
Ok sounds good. I may have what you are looking for. I am in the process of starting a new job and moving and things are hectic at the moment but hopefully within a week or two I can either find the old one or make another and get a video up.


squirrelslinger wrote on Jul 8th, 2014 at 10:03am:
you should post this.

I will do my best.  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by jlasud on Jul 9th, 2014 at 4:43am
Looking forward to it, as i also made a one handed staff sling once, with the traditional release and proved weak.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:58pm
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1405306696/0#0

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jul 14th, 2014 at 6:48pm
Cool cool cool! Now why didn't I come up with a helpful answer like that?
All apologies Mr. Storm

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:23am
I have another question. Does anyone else have to check their throwing stance with his non-slinging arm before he throws?

I find that it significantly helps me me get my shots lined up horizontally.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Jul 15th, 2014 at 12:26pm
With my non-slinging arm I point towards the target. Is this what you mean?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:41pm
Yes Teg it is.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Dan on Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:37pm
Yep, I would say that the majority of slingers do, but not all. Here is a close look at how I sling. I don't leave my arm all the way out but I do leave it out there to some extent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaeMh8JvQNc

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jul 16th, 2014 at 9:00pm
Storm, I've never seen the point of it to be honest. In my opinion it offers no benefit except perhaps as a placebo.

You certainly don't see many Balearic slingers doing it. But... if it helps, even were it just a placebo, I guess it's worth doing.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 9:59pm
Did Balearic slingers use glandes of clay or lead did they use clay shot or just rocks they found on the ground or did they shape rocks?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:48pm
I believe they used pebbles they found or lead glans.
Clay glans only offer accuracy, not range.
Shaped stones, same problem as clay.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by The Oncoming Storm on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:49pm
I currently use a 31" sling with an uncupped pouch, with tennis balls for ammo. Considering that I use an Apache style throw, in order to use my currant sling Apache style my arm must start at almost a 45% angle to use it. Should I make an Apache type sling ?

also If I did, how far from the ground should the pouch be  when my arms are at rest (strait down) ?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Ajax on Jul 25th, 2014 at 6:58pm
Hi everyone, from what i understand the sling has been around for a very long time with not much for competition until the bow came along, then the two coexsited quite happily, it seems to me that the bow got slowly better as the technology improved through trial and error and the experimentation with different materials.
My question is do you think there is a way to make a fundamental advance in the sling that would see a giant step forward in performance or do you think like i do that the genuis and curse of the sling is that it is so simple.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Jul 26th, 2014 at 9:19pm
Oncomingstorm - I can't answer that question but what I use is the measurement from the base of the retention finger to the top of the armpit. Depending on the weight of the ammo I like 22"-24" inch slings for the apache. For something as light as a tennis ball I bet you will find the shorter sling to work much better.

Ajax- I would never say absolutely no to a question like that. But in this case I'm guessing it's unlikely. Any such advancement of the weapon would likely classify it as something other than a sling.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Jul 27th, 2014 at 1:09am

The Oncoming Storm wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:49pm:
Considering that I use an Apache style throw, in order to use my currant sling Apache style my arm must start at almost a 45% angle to use it. Should I make an Apache type sling ?

also If I did, how far from the ground should the pouch be  when my arms are at rest (strait down) ?

Mostly, any well made sling will work just as well as any other. If you want to try making an Apache sling, do it. For me, making slings is half the fun.

As for how long to make it, that's up to personal preference just as much as anything else. I usually recommend starting out making you sling to be equal to half your height when measure from the center of the pouch to the finger loop/toggle.

Ajax wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Hi everyone, from what i understand the sling has been around for a very long time with not much for competition until the bow came along, then the two coexsited quite happily, it seems to me that the bow got slowly better as the technology improved through trial and error and the experimentation with different materials.
My question is do you think there is a way to make a fundamental advance in the sling that would see a giant step forward in performance or do you think like i do that the genuis and curse of the sling is that it is so simple.


There has been work off and on with a compound sling design. There is also the staff sling that releases automatically and the cestrophendone, which is a dart made to be thrown by a specially made sling.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Aule on Aug 6th, 2014 at 10:30pm
Hi!

I have a question about the cords. Does it shape affect to the accuracy of the shot? A square braiding will "twist" more the cord or cause any other fuzz?

Aüle

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 7th, 2014 at 12:43am
Mostly, no. Many slingers use round, square, and flat cords with no adverse effects.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Bill Skinner on Aug 7th, 2014 at 9:25am
I prefer a flat braid specifically to keep from twisting.  If I twist up during throwing, I can just run my hand down the sling and it's straight again.

One problem I have had with round cords is when they twist, I don't notice until my pouch is no longer even.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:22am
   I have to agree with Mas here.  I use all sorts of cords.  Other than what Bill pointed out there isn't much difference in performance between flat and round cords. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Aug 8th, 2014 at 11:39am
well, yes and no.

In practice, for accuracy, cords don't matter. Unless they stretch.
In theory, they do, as a flat cord twists and vibrates throughout the motions of slinging, with varying air resistance, and thefore varying the speed of the stone.
Theoretically round cords are most accurate.


Really, it doesn't matter.

In reality, you should probably ignore my ramblings.
I like theorizing.

Now for distance....
Round cords that are very thin kick butt.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Aule on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:08pm
Very thin round cords? I was thinking the opposite. If its thick and stiff it would give me more speed, like in this semi-sling video, just with a thicker cord instead of a stick, but that also sounds right, since a thin cord would be more tense during the throw...

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Aug 8th, 2014 at 2:53pm
Aule, I doubt very thick cords would give more speed. In my experience it's the opposite actually.

I was reading a post the other day I had copied and pasted about why the Balearic sling is made the way it is and the poster says the thicker cords are more stable and easier to be accurate with while the thinner cords are faster but less stable.

All my previous experience says if your technique is good enough then round paracord works just fine. But who knows, maybe my views will change in the future.  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Aule on Aug 8th, 2014 at 3:56pm
My thought came after watching this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpEkzWXe7FQ&feature=youtu.be

My idea was. If he throws far due to the stick if i make a stiffer-thicker hold cord, would that give me more range?

Yesterday i braid a thicker sling and i can say that no, it doesn´t give me more range, but i had to try  ;)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by wanderer on Aug 8th, 2014 at 6:12pm
The idea with the stick is to allow you to push the pouch with a torque on the stick. With a sling you are more or less confined to pulling it instead, and only along the direction of the cords. Perhaps you might be interested in staff slings?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Aule on Aug 8th, 2014 at 7:28pm
Thanks for the clarification  ;) I like proper slings, but in the future i guess i´ll give the staff slings a go  ::)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Aug 9th, 2014 at 3:09pm
Staff slings are fun to make, easy to design, and they kick butt.  The big advantage to them is that you can hurl much heavier projectiles than you could with a hand sling and you can hurl them with almost no effort.  I don't know of anyone who has experimented with staff slings and regretted it. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Aule on Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:00pm
I´m being tempted, i´ll search tutorials  :D

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Drizzt on Aug 14th, 2014 at 10:07am
I'm having trouble with my apache sling holding on to ammo after a throw. Any ideas on what's causing this? I think it might be the way I sewed the leather to the hemp.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 14th, 2014 at 12:59pm
Could be a lot of things. We'd have to know what ammo you use, see a picture of your sling, and a video of your throw to tell you what is going on.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Drizzt on Aug 14th, 2014 at 2:09pm
It only happens to rocks that are on the smaller side. Do you think the sling is puckering too quick for them to release??

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Aug 14th, 2014 at 2:58pm
Hi, Drizzt, and welcome.  As Mas said, it could be a lot of things.  If you could post a picture of your sling it would be a lot easier to help troubleshoot your problem.  Sorry I can't be more helpful at the moment.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Drizzt on Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:14pm
That's fine. I post a picture as soon as I find my camera..

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Drizzt on Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:25pm
This is the sling I was referring to.
image_128.jpg (1402 KB | 70 )

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Aug 14th, 2014 at 4:29pm
The amount of loose leather in there to me says it might be cupped. If you pop it outwards like it would be when slinging is it significantly cupped? That's bad in my experience. And can cause the problem you are describing.

Leather is easy to have that happen because as you pinch the leather against what you are sewing it to, it can stretch it a very small amount each stitch. After 40-50 stitches you end up with a cupped pouch that can hold on to ammo.

If this is what is going on here (and I cannot tell for sure from the picture so this just a guess), you would need to remake it and don't stretch the leather taut as you pinch it against the cord you are sewing it to. Just pinch it straight down on to the cord and make sure there's no stretching of the leather going on. Keep it a little slack in other words.


Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Drizzt on Aug 14th, 2014 at 4:45pm
Yes. Now that you mentioned it, it does seem to be a bit loose. Because it does have a tendency to hold on to ammo. Thank you for the advice :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Aug 14th, 2014 at 4:58pm
Not a problem. Happy slinging.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Drizzt on Aug 14th, 2014 at 5:17pm
Oh, I have another question. What type of thread/string would you use to sew the leather to the cord? Because sinew is pretty hard to come by where I live and the thread I'm currently using is starting to break...

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Aug 15th, 2014 at 5:59pm
Best I've used is spider wire brand fishing line. Get the braided kind, heaviest weight you can find maybe up to 150 lb test. It acts and works just like thread, only a million times stronger and more abrasion resistant. Cheap, generic nylon tooth floss is a distant second.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Banzai on Aug 15th, 2014 at 6:23pm
I was wondering what this sites "necro posting" limit is.   I know on some forums you get shot for commenting on an old thread, haha.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:45pm
I'd like to think that we're a nicer community than that. We'd probably just talk about you when you leave the room and stuff anonymous notes into your locker. :P

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Aug 16th, 2014 at 7:17am
But seriously, folks... we have no necro posting limit.  Necro away!

Title: Apache style form
Post by Drizzt on Aug 16th, 2014 at 2:47pm
When trying to perform the apache style. Do you bring your arm straight up or at an angle? Because all the tutorials I've seen, they don't really specify. My apologies if it's been stated in the past.

Title: Re: Apache style form
Post by Morphy on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:11pm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz2p9N1CpDE

Good question Drizzt. I spent a lot of time trying to do the angled Apache and I feel for me it's not the best. For the same reason that I feel all diagonal slashing pitches are not great; it's too hard to replicate the angle. It's easier to have your style slowly shift and change more towards horizontal and then back up to more towards vertical, back and forth, over and over. This can happen slowly over several sessions and it just makes things difficult when dealing with target accuracy.

I start mine off a little outside the straight line vertical arc path, as you can see in the video, but it quickly comes up and over in as vertical an arc as possible. IMO, you want as long a single plane vertical arc as possible so the sling has time to line up behind your throwing hand. If you veer outside that the sling can veer outside the intended arc as well which makes it hard to be really consistent.

Title: Re: Apache style form
Post by Drizzt on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:19pm
Thank you. That clears up a lot since I've grown fond of this style.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Oxnate on Aug 17th, 2014 at 8:09am
Awesome video and accuracy, Morphy.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Morphy on Aug 17th, 2014 at 10:15pm
Thank you sir.  :)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Aug 21st, 2014 at 5:07pm
this piece of cordage is part hemp and part sisal have any of you experimented with different fiber combinations?
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Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Aug 26th, 2014 at 11:04am
Yes, constantly, Slinging_wolf.  I've combined hemp, jute, cotton, sisal, and wool.  I also sometimes  combine natural an synthetic fibers.  I really like the results.  Often you get the best of each fiber. You can get the suppleness of jute combined with the toughness of nylon for example.  As with any experimentation sometimes you fall flat on your face but often you can come up with a superior sling. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Slinging_wolf on Aug 27th, 2014 at 6:23pm
Thank you RatMan first answer I've gotten and its a good one

Title: Biconical Glande Ballistics
Post by Prince21 on Sep 17th, 2014 at 3:11pm
Hi, first post, been lurking for a while though lol. I was just wondering, is there anyway to tweak a throw in order to send a biconical gland pointy end first towards a target? Similar to the way bullets hit a target? Would it be the way the bullet is released upon throwing or perhaps the way its loaded into the sling?

I've been making clay biconicals, and I've noticed that the bullets tend to just flip over and over towards the target. I've gotten a few to hit point first, but I think it would be much more aerodynamic if I could throw it without the rotations. Would that mean that historical accounts of these glands penetrating flesh were based off of the luck of the gland hitting the target at the right angle of it's spin?

If it helps, I throw sidearm style, not much of an overhander.

Thanks

Title: Re: Biconical Glande Ballistics
Post by Oxnate on Sep 17th, 2014 at 7:51pm

Prince21 wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
Hi, first post, been lurking for a while though lol. I was just wondering, is there anyway to tweak a throw in order to send a biconical gland pointy end first towards a target? Similar to the way bullets hit a target? Would it be the way the bullet is released upon throwing or perhaps the way its loaded into the sling?

I've been making clay biconicals, and I've noticed that the bullets tend to just flip over and over towards the target. I've gotten a few to hit point first, but I think it would be much more aerodynamic if I could throw it without the rotations. Would that mean that historical accounts of these glands penetrating flesh were based off of the luck of the gland hitting the target at the right angle of it's spin?

If it helps, I throw sidearm style, not much of an overhander.

Thanks


I don't have any biconicals to try myself, but I would assume it's much like throwing a(n American) football.  Point the nose forward and give it some spin, if you can. 

You have to have the nose pointing forward at the release, so I wonder if the projectile should be pointing UP when you hold the sling at rest.  That seems like it should get the right angle or close to it.  For the spiral, I'm not sure.  I would guess a slight twist of the wrist might do that.  Or it might not be necessary.  Give it a try and let me know if that worked or at least helped.

Title: Re: Biconical Glande Ballistics
Post by timpa on Sep 17th, 2014 at 9:37pm
I do not know what is the right way. But I kept my sling in such a position, that the projectile comes off the tip above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOxtdcgNDXI&list=UUAtu6vMqIxjFOAuegwpPYNA

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 18th, 2014 at 12:49am

Prince21 wrote on Sep 17th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
If it helps, I throw sidearm style, not much of an overhander.

Thanks

That's your problem. Consistent releases with rifled spin are much easier to do with an overhand release.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Prince21 on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:20pm
Thanks for the advice guys! I'll keep trying.


Masiakasaurus, I understand that throwing overhand is probably easier, but the biconical lead throwers of the past are usually depicted using sidearm releases so I'm sure theres a method to get consistent ballistic trajectory/spin.

I'll start practicing on consciously releasing the cord with my palm open towards the target, I guess its just finding that perfect angle/timing in which you release it in a way where momentum pushes it tip forward and it doesn't tumble but you still hit at what you're aiming at (I've gotten nice barrel spins but usually they're way off what I'm aiming for lol).

Thanks, anymore advice/input would be appreciated

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Prince21 on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:39pm
Great vid Timpa, the way that hit when it penetrated/stuck into the board is exactly what I'm looking for lol.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by timpa on Sep 20th, 2014 at 5:28pm
Good.  :)
Make a sometimes video you experiments.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 20th, 2014 at 6:16pm

Prince21 wrote on Sep 18th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
I'll start practicing on consciously releasing the cord with my palm open towards the target, I guess its just finding that perfect angle/timing in which you release it in a way where momentum pushes it tip forward and it doesn't tumble but you still hit at what you're aiming at (I've gotten nice barrel spins but usually they're way off what I'm aiming for lol).

Thanks, anymore advice/input would be appreciated

If you can make yourself release that way with a sidearm throw then you should get a consistent rifled spin. Just make sure that you don't twist your wrist late in the throw. That will make your projectile tumble despite your wrist position. FYI, I know what you're trying to do is possible. I've done it before.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:16am
Ditto to what Masi said. As well, try slowing your throw down a little whole yore refining it- you can find the glitches easier that way and also find the good points too.
It took me a while to learn to rifle my shots but nowadays it's not even something I think about:)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 7:18am
While you're *

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Sep 22nd, 2014 at 11:28am
   You'll also find that it's a lot like riding a bicycle, Prince21.  After you do it a few times you'll have trouble launching a projectile without rifled spin.  It's just a matter of getting the feel of it.  And it doesn't have to be a biconical or any other particular shape  You'll get rifled spin with railroad rocks 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Prince21 on Sep 23rd, 2014 at 9:27pm
Hey guys, thanks for the advice! I've finally been getting consistent rifling spins! I've been using a wider arcing motion before releasing it, and releasing it a little earlier to compensate for the wider angle that it's released at.


Masiakasaurus, thanks, your right, I found that limp wristing before the throw messes up trajectory, gotta throw with authority in the technique for it to work.

Timpa, Yes I probably will start to make a video or two, I'm getting o.k., I've killed goliath/large tree at about 20-40 yards every 1/3 shots lol.

Thanks again for all the advice, I'll continue to post on my development

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Prince21 on Sep 23rd, 2014 at 9:34pm
Do any of you guys have any experience with fired clay projectiles? I've made a few out of clay, they're obviously fragile and break upon hard impact, I was just wondering if it was worth the time/effort of firing them (I'd have to go out into the bush to do this) or if I should just make projectiles out of cement or something instead.

Thanks

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 23rd, 2014 at 11:07pm
I have fired mine.  This will be an all day job.  I use local clay that I dig, it has a lot of sand in it but it make a pretty good projectile.  You will have to make sure they are totally dry, I put mine in the oven overnight just under boiling temp to make sure.  If you use a fire, prewarm them by stacking them around the fire, on something that won't let them wick moisture from the ground, like a rock or a brick.  Heat them up, keep turning them so they heat evenly.  Start about a meter out and move them closer as they heat up.  When the fire burns down to coals, rake the coals out in a circle and put your clay glandes in the middle, still on your bricks.  Build the fire up slowly and evenly.  When the clay starts to change color, carefully stack more wood on until it is covered and you have a roaring bonfire.  You have to heat the clay to red hot.  And the hotter, the tougher.

Let the fire burn down and collect them the next day.

A few tips.

Collect your wood before you start.  You will need about a good pickup load, dead branches are fine as long as they aren't much larger than your wrist.  Try not to get wet  or damp wood.  You can use green wood to dry the ground.

Your pre warming fire is also drying out the ground, if the ground is damp, the clay will wick moisture and explode.  So make sure the ground is dry from the fire, that normally takes about 2-3 hours.

If you are using natural clay, it will have organics, when you put it in the center of the ring of coals, it will start to turn dark brown to black as the organics cook out, when it starts getting lighter is when you start adding lots more wood.

I usually start the fire after breakfast, let it burn until after lunch while prewarming the clay.  Rake it out into a circle, then tend it until it is time to start building it up.  Once I build it up to bonfire stage, let it burn down but don't try to remove the glandes, they will hold a lot of heat for a long time.  Wait until the next morning and be careful then, they can still be pretty hot.

The will bounce off a wooden target two to four times before breaking.  If you have thin wood, they can go through.  And they can bounce straight back, so be careful.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Oxnate on Sep 24th, 2014 at 6:29am

Bill Skinner wrote on Sep 23rd, 2014 at 11:07pm:
I have fired mine.  This will be an all day job.  I use local clay that I dig, it has a lot of sand in it but it make a pretty good projectile.  You will have to make sure they are totally dry, I put mine in the oven overnight just under boiling temp to make sure.  If you use a fire, prewarm them by stacking them around the fire, on something that won't let them wick moisture from the ground, like a rock or a brick.  Heat them up, keep turning them so they heat evenly.  Start about a meter out and move them closer as they heat up.  When the fire burns down to coals, rake the coals out in a circle and put your clay glandes in the middle, still on your bricks.  Build the fire up slowly and evenly.  When the clay starts to change color, carefully stack more wood on until it is covered and you have a roaring bonfire.  You have to heat the clay to red hot.  And the hotter, the tougher.

Let the fire burn down and collect them the next day.

A few tips.

Collect your wood before you start.  You will need about a good pickup load, dead branches are fine as long as they aren't much larger than your wrist.  Try not to get wet  or damp wood.  You can use green wood to dry the ground.

Your pre warming fire is also drying out the ground, if the ground is damp, the clay will wick moisture and explode.  So make sure the ground is dry from the fire, that normally takes about 2-3 hours.

If you are using natural clay, it will have organics, when you put it in the center of the ring of coals, it will start to turn dark brown to black as the organics cook out, when it starts getting lighter is when you start adding lots more wood.

I usually start the fire after breakfast, let it burn until after lunch while prewarming the clay.  Rake it out into a circle, then tend it until it is time to start building it up.  Once I build it up to bonfire stage, let it burn down but don't try to remove the glandes, they will hold a lot of heat for a long time.  Wait until the next morning and be careful then, they can still be pretty hot.

The will bounce off a wooden target two to four times before breaking.  If you have thin wood, they can go through.  And they can bounce straight back, so be careful.


Great information!  I'm hoping that will be in the book?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Prince21 on Sep 25th, 2014 at 8:04am
Wow, great information, thanks a lot, I'll post pictures once I try this

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Sep 25th, 2014 at 10:49am
I got my hands on a scrap of Dacron sail cloth just this week and apparently it's next to indestructible.
Has anyone ever made a sling pouch out of cloth/canvas? I considered making it apache style but I don't like apache slings lol
Any ideas? maybe origami or some fancy folding?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Sep 30th, 2014 at 11:34am
    Make it using Aussie's Seatbelt Sling design.  That should be perfect, especially for heavier canvas. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Thearos on Sep 30th, 2014 at 4:30pm
The question is how thick the material is, and how floppy. If not stiff enough, double the layers for the pouch.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by squirrelslinger on Oct 18th, 2014 at 12:10am

Tomas wrote on Sep 25th, 2014 at 10:49am:
I got my hands on a scrap of Dacron sail cloth just this week and apparently it's next to indestructible.
Has anyone ever made a sling pouch out of cloth/canvas? I considered making it apache style but I don't like apache slings lol
Any ideas? maybe origami or some fancy folding?

Dacron? seems likely to be soft but strong... and likely rather thin.
Try laminating it using rubber cement and sowing... Aussie style sling.
Or you could use duct tape... Aussie style sling.
Or you could make one of those "medical tape pouches" using duct tape.... and Dacron.
Or you could just cut a very elongated rhombus, tie a loop in one end, and a knot in the other.
Makes a good EDC sling.

If you do try to fold it, use a steam iron to heat it up. It makes folding most sorts of cloth easier.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm
So I've been thinking.... If one were to add weight To the pouch of a sling would it make it easier to feel its movement? Perhaps even increase performance? I feel like it would accentuate how it swings???

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Oxnate on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 9:45pm

Tomas wrote on Jan 22nd, 2015 at 12:29pm:
So I've been thinking.... If one were to add weight To the pouch of a sling would it make it easier to feel its movement? Perhaps even increase performance? I feel like it would accentuate how it swings???


I don't know about everyone else, but that would be very painful/dangerous for me.  I once had my ammo get stuck in an experimental pouch and I only barely missed my shin and then my testicles (hit my inner thigh) in consecutive throws before I decided that the pouch wasn't going to work for me.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jan 24th, 2015 at 4:14pm
Can you elaborate on what kind of pouch? And what kind of throw you were doing? Was it a heavy pouch compared to the sling?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Oxnate on Jan 24th, 2015 at 9:27pm

Tomas wrote on Jan 24th, 2015 at 4:14pm:
Can you elaborate on what kind of pouch? And what kind of throw you were doing? Was it a heavy pouch compared to the sling?



It looked like this one.



It was fairly small, I wanted something to throw golf ball sized ammo.  I had a few golf ball sized steel ball bearings that I wanted to try throwing.  So the pouch and string were both very light compared to the ammo.

The ball bearing got stuck in the split in the pouch.  And then it turned rather dangerous for myself as I found I was dealing with a hammer-throw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_throw) situation when I thought I was going to be slinging.

I was using a Fig-8 in a very vertical, overhand motion.  So that the (surprisingly still weighted) sling started coming back at my lower extremities.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jan 25th, 2015 at 6:11am
I'm still not sure we are on the same page(no pun intended). I did enjoy the link though and might have to try slinging like that somehow:)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by blowgunman123 on Jan 27th, 2015 at 10:38pm
lol that sounds funny and yet painful, and to answer your question Tomas yes, well sort of, there is a certain point when you add to much weight and the sling dosent work right, but if you add a small amount of weight to the pouch, like if you have a split pouch and add a leather covering for it, it will help the sling last longer and sewing leather makes the sling feel better in hand and sometimes yes it does increase performance.  :D

Title: What is the math I need to make a sling?
Post by AndrewShepherd on Feb 17th, 2015 at 6:57pm
I want to make a sling with tarred bank line. I want to get the length right and not just guess like I always do. What is the math I need to figure out how long the strands I cut need to be to make a (however long) sling.

Title: Re: What is the math I need to make a sling?
Post by Steven on Feb 18th, 2015 at 12:00am
1 ½ times the desired finished length of braided cord plus the length needed at each end more or less depending on the strand size. the direction you pull while tightening the braid, how hard you pull, the phase of the moon, etc. there is no fast rule, keep good notes for your next project. cut extra long and throw some away.. can't stretch it once it is braided too short.

it will take many iterations of braiding and note taking before you can cut strands to make a given length of braided cord.

Each braid style will differ in the length of cut strands for a specific length of braided cord. ie 3, 4, 6,7,8,11,16,32 round vs the same cord counts in a flat. the higher the strand count in the braid the smaller the initial strands need to be.

Title: Re: What is the math I need to make a sling?
Post by AndrewShepherd on Feb 18th, 2015 at 7:57pm
Thanks for the help Steven!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Apr 8th, 2015 at 9:30pm
Oh look, Tomas has another question! Ahahaha

I've been using a marudai for my braiding this winter and it is amazing. I was wondering though, is it possible to do a river braid(like Balearic style) on the platform?
Actually, I have three braids in particular I'm curious about trying on the marudai but the river braid is first on the list.
As an aside, I'm calling it a riverbraid cause that's what I heard that style of braid is called. Is that the term to use?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Apr 9th, 2015 at 11:09am
I never heard the expression river braid. I think you mean a normal plait or braid. In German its called "Zopf".

For flat pieces you would use a takadai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takadai) instead of a marudai.
But I think it should be possible to do it on a marudai. Just arrange the strings like you would do if you would braid by hand. Two groups, one on the left side, one on the right. Take the most northest string on the right, place it at the south of the left group. Then do the same again with the northest string of the left group. Repeat. That's how I would do it.
Maybe your tension is messed up so you have to test how it works out.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Apr 9th, 2015 at 11:32am
Thanks Teg I don't know why I didn't think of that myself.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Teg on Apr 9th, 2015 at 12:13pm
No problem  ;)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Apr 12th, 2015 at 8:26am
Referring back to Tomas's previous question, I sometimes like to use a sling with a heavier pouch mainly because you can hurl ammo of any weight with it. If your pouch is heavy enough to dry fire your sling (no ammo in it) with no apparent difference from when you fire it loaded then you are able to hurl even tiny ammo with it accurately.  I have experimented with adding weight after the sling was completed with no success.  Your best bet is to weave a thicker, heavier pouch.  Try my Cobra design for that: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1257543044
   A few of the pages in that tutorial somehow got damaged so that the pictures associated with each page were irrelevant to the tutorial.  c_a was able to repair all but the first page, which I'll have to get off my lazy butt and rephotograph. Good job and thanks, c_a!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Apr 12th, 2015 at 10:13am
I never did try the weighted pouch idea... But that will have to wait cause its finally warm and sunny and this will be my first slinging in months! Peace!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by mightyhunter85 on Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:25pm
Does anyone know if there are any other slingers in Washington State USA?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Vlad on May 29th, 2015 at 12:26pm
Hi guys!
I have just decided to spend holidays with my girlfriend in Mallorca.
Do you have any recomendations what sould we visit with connection to slings/slinging?
I have already found this: http://www.tirdefona.org/calendarios/CALENDARIOOFICIAL2015.pdf

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Donnerschlag on Jun 30th, 2015 at 1:20am

mightyhunter85 wrote on Apr 12th, 2015 at 9:25pm:
Does anyone know if there are any other slingers in Washington State USA?

I'm in Texas for a few months, but Huntsman and I are normally in the Portland, OR area, which borders Washington state :)

Title: Tennis ball pouch
Post by mrdeadpt on Jul 15th, 2015 at 5:25pm
Have never tried slinging tennis balls, but no doubt they're safer around people.  Can anyone give me guidance--measurements or a template--for cutting a leather pouch to sling tennis balls?  Or is there a better type of pouch for tennis ball slinging?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Steven on Jul 15th, 2015 at 5:34pm
I generally use a 2.5 inch by 7 inch. I divide the 2.5 into two
1.25 inch tabs 2 inches long on each end punch a hole in each
tab. I stack the holes and put a cord loop through the hole.
this will cause the pouch to cup a little. also use other variations of that theme.

PS. I'm a big fan of skinny split pouches for tennis balls...
make the split around 5 inches or so. two pieces of cordage
and four knots ... doesn't get any simpler.

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1428068864/6#6 string thing sling

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Jul 16th, 2015 at 11:53am
The nice thing about skinny split pouches is their adaptability.  Your tennis ball sling can easily throw smaller projectiles also. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Tomas on Jul 16th, 2015 at 12:04pm
+1 for skinny split pouch!

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Caldou on Jul 31st, 2015 at 3:50pm
I wanted to do a quite impressive hugea$$ sling for bigger stones, like an AussieSeatBelt, but with heavy duty leather.
So I cut a big rectangle, folded the ends like a M and thanks to a brainfart, punched 4 holes on each side...

Since I plan to use it for really heavy stones, if I use those holes to pass my cords, do you think there is a significant risk of tearing ? Should I cut the holes ?

If you need pictures, I will take one :)

Thanks

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by walter on Jul 31st, 2015 at 5:50pm
How thick is your leather? Pics are good ;)

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Caldou on Aug 1st, 2015 at 4:17pm
Here are the pictures !

This one is out of focus but with a ruler in inches
http://caldazar.free.fr/img/slings/grosM_mini.JPG
This one is on focus, but without the ruler
http://caldazar.free.fr/img/slings/grosM2_mini.JPG

the leather is 3mm thick, the stone is the one wich will go with the sling, the sling is the one I use for lead and the knife is my knife when I'm a Gaul ^^

You can click the pictures to see them bigger.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Vlad on Aug 4th, 2015 at 3:24am
Why not using it the inteded way even with the holes?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Blowgunman123 on Aug 5th, 2015 at 11:46pm
this is pretty random but me and legos have started making/practicing slingshots recently and i was wondering if it is legal for us to carry them around in northern Illinois?

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 6th, 2015 at 11:00am
Look up how Illinois defines a weapon and Illinois weapons laws. Then look up your county's weapons laws and your city's weapons laws. They'll tell you if it's legal.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Xenovora on Sep 1st, 2015 at 9:03am
Hello everyone, this will be my first post here at slinging.org! I've been wandering for over a month now and finally signed up. I have many questions, so I hope you all have many answers!

I'm a very amateur sling maker, I've made 4-5 slings from youtube instructional videos using only paracord. I've since purchased some scrap leather (veg-tan remnants) which contains 4-6 useable pouches worth of slings, 3ply 28lb jute and 1ply hemp (very thin). I also have 60-70ft of paracord left, 50 feet of 550, and 18 feet of a thinner variety. I have a very very VERY limited knowledge of knots and braiding. I learned how to do a 3-braid yesterday, and a normal 'knot' and slipknot is about as deep as I go. (I don't even know exactly how to make a slipknot i just play with the cordage for long enough and get lucky LOL.) I have very little desire to learn more UNLESS it will dramatically increase my slinging efficiency by using a more complicated sling construction. What type of sling (not length) will get me the most power and accuracy? Is a 3 braid hemp better than a single line of paracord? And can you link me specific articles and guides (especially videos) to your suggestions? My next goal of a sling to make is this one: http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/howtos/leather2.htm I wish to make the sling above because it requires no leather hole puncher - I don't own one... I could use a knife blade and stab a hole in the leather, but that seems messy and not great for durability. I also like this because I can change the cords whenever I wish, with different sizes. Big plus I think?! Should I save my leather for a different style? I also plan to make a 'butterfly/boat' leather pouch with some paracord attached (or hemp if you all think it makes a higher power more durable sling.) Simplicity is best for me! I plan to sling tennis balls at the park, PING PONG balls for indoor practice, and rocks in secluded locations (which are hard to find and rivers are far away to find smooth stones in private safe areas.) My accuracy sucks. At best I can get an object flying in the general direction I would like it to go after about 5-6 slinging practice sessions ever. (Short ones - most of my practice is indoors with ping-pong balls cause they don't go through walls or doors when I play inside.) Marshmellows I am tempted to try, but I don't want bugs in the house! Sugar would be everywhere. I've tried slinging golf balls at a 'wall-ball' sort of cage, but found it to be extremely dangerous when you have a golfball coming your way at 75+mph. I plan to purchase 'lacrosse' balls to use for this purpose though. Oh so many more questions.. lets start with these though. Sorry for the wall of unorganized text.  ::)

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Post by Mark-Harrop on Sep 6th, 2015 at 9:28am
Xenovora, I love using squash balls for my indoor slinging (which I do quite a bit)…they don't really have much bounce, but a lot more mass than a ping pong ball and a great texture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyeeFypcRt4

As far as sling type, I would try every one you are capable of making. The more you make, the more you learn. Same goes for style, try to master them all.

Good luck!




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Post by Xenovora on Sep 6th, 2015 at 6:09pm
Thank you very much for your reply, I was losing hope in this thread! The forum seems significantly less active the moment I joined and began waiting for replies haha. I will certainly look into purchasing some squash balls - though they look like they could definitely cause some indoor damage unless I put up a huge comforter or sheet some place like a doorway. My aim still is pretty horrific.. at best I can get the projectile to shoot within 30-40 degrees horizontally and within 20-30 degrees vertically of where I want it to go with the figure 8 style. Hitting my ceiling, thin wooden cabinets, and drywall probably isnt a good idea with anything weighing much more than a balled up sock or pingpong ball. That squash ball looks real tightly packed, I might be a bit safer starting with a really airy soft soft stress ball. The kind made of foam or whatever.

Those M shaped whipped ends of various leather pouches such as the seatbelt style sling look pretty good since I have yet to buy a leather whole puncher. I'm really bad at whipping though.. I've had it come apart on me while slinging like 5x so far, launching tennis balls dangerously close to my associates. I have a good bit of leather ready for use though... I think I'll cut some pouches of a few types today and maybe learn a knot or two... maybe improve my whipping knowledge too.

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Post by Tomas on Sep 6th, 2015 at 7:05pm
Sew through the paracord and use the excess to do the whipping. It'll stay in place that way:)
I've never had much luck with indoor slinging but I'm lanky and take up a ton of space lol

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Post by Mark-Harrop on Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:30am
Glue your whipping…


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Post by Xenovora on Sep 8th, 2015 at 10:09am
Sewing... I don't know how to do - glue however...... consider it done :) Any specific type of glue that you would recommend?


Edit: No reply for a while so I went ahead and covered the whipping of a new sling seatbelt style with leather (my first one actually rectangular) with elmers 'Glue-All' glue. Hopefully that's strong enough... I'm guessing you were referring to hot glue or gorilla glue or something significantly more potent.

Also, will duct tape (cut for less width) or scotch tape work to cover the glued whipping? Or do I need electric/painters/hockey/some other type of tape?

Finally, am I wasting leather and time by not oiling my leather slings? It is veg-tan remnant leather. Its about 1.25mm thick and a little firm.

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Post by Mark-Harrop on Sep 9th, 2015 at 6:41am
super glue (not the gel, the thin liquid) is probably the best for nylon. it soaks right in.

Watch a few whipping videos, there are some different techniques, but whatever technique you use, pull it tight!


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Post by Xenovora on Sep 9th, 2015 at 1:07pm
Can I tie a whip cracker into the overhand release knot of my paracord slings, the kind where you spin a pencil around and around as explained in youtube tutorials, and when slinging just hold the release knot and when I let go, it will sound significantly louder than a typical 'frayed' and unraveled paracord 2-4 inch strand after an overhand knot?


Blowgunman123 wrote on Sep 7th, 2015 at 3:45pm:
If your trying to get a crack out of a paracord sling you don't need a taper, just a one strand masons line short cracker around the length of your index finger, and with enough weight in the pouch and a good release you will be able to get a crack, its especially easy when you use rocks.


This is really interesting to me ^ but does the volume of the crack have anything to do with the length of the cracker? And why wouldn't I need a taper? Would a balaeric style sling with a good taper be louder than tying a whip cracker on to the end of a single paracord release strand?

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Post by Blowgunman123 on Sep 9th, 2015 at 2:15pm
Yeah you can, and the length does affect the crack on a sling, on a whip not so much. :) the reason you don't need at taper is because you already have one when you put a smaller cracker at the end than the paracord. Yes a good tapered Balearic sling will be a bit louder, but making a paracord sling will take a lot shorter time than making a Balearic sling, i speak from experience of making upwards of 25 nylon/natural fiber slings. The style that you use, and the force you put into your sling also heavily affects how loud/well the sling will crack. It will be a bit easier to get a good crack out of a Balearic sling, but in the end, if your slinging tennis balls a lighter sling is gonna give you more range, power and sometimes accuracy, at least for beginners, then it gets into personal preference and skill and practice :).

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Post by Xenovora on Sep 9th, 2015 at 2:41pm
Thanks Blowgunman! I will definitely figure out how to make one of those crackers of a few various sizes and throw them on a few of my lame paracord slings release cords and see what I can do over the next day or two. :)

I've got about 35 feet of 550 paracord by my side, I'll be looking into weaving a nice pouch most likely pretty soon. Any youtube video recommendations for this? I've made 2 woven paracord pouches already without much luck because I think my jig was a little off, my knot making ability is really poor, and keeping the weave tight is a pain. I've also seemed to have issues with making them perfectly even... the pouch usually ends a bit lopsided, and the paracord woven pouches I've made are both very very flat, with zero cup, and so my ammo very often falls out. Any good tutorials for cupped woven paracord pouches for 35ft of 550?

I am also someone who really enjoys water balloon fights. But I hate tying water balloons, and I hate the mess after. I'm looking to buy some high quality 'water absorbent' balls the type people play with at the pool to use as sling ammo. I dont have any seatbelt material for a fully water resistant seatbelt sling, but I think a woven paracord cupped pouch would do great for splash balls soaked in water. I have a few friends who I enjoy water balloon fights with each summer, and I want to transition to SLING water fights, but with absorbent balls instead of balloons. Im also looking on google for highly absorbent spherical or egg shaped sponges without much luck. I figure those would work just as good as a dedicated ball, if not better... Then I can simply leave 4-5 buckets / bowls full of water strategically placed around the yard to re-soak ammo after its been thrown.

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Post by Blowgunman123 on Sep 9th, 2015 at 6:43pm
I can post a video if you would like, it would just take me a few days. As for the idea of slinging water balloons, i don't know if you know this but water balloons will explode/fall out of your pouch before you can get enough power. The water soaking balls are a pretty smart idea but i don't know if they would give you nasty welts or just spray all of they water out before they reach the target lol, you'd be surprised how much spin you can get on ammo. I would just try using some cheap ones from Walmart, just to test if the idea might work. Just my two cents. :)

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Post by Xenovora on Sep 9th, 2015 at 8:31pm
A video of you making a paracord woven pouch sling with a whip cracker on the release cord??!!? That would be absolutely amazing if that's what you were referring to! Otherwise if a link to one already exists that would work too just fine, but personally I haven't had any luck finding one. I am shocked by your offer :) This community is awesome heh. If you do decide to make a video of such, take your time sir no rush, just whenever you're bored with extra free time lol. ::)

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Post by Masiakasaurus on Sep 9th, 2015 at 8:51pm
You can sling water balloons, but it takes a large, cupped pouch large enough to hold an entire, flattened balloon without flopping out or stretching and bursting. I used a sling like this during a water balloon fight to basically mortar three guys with a bungee cord sling shot. My aim wasn't as good, but I could lob accurately enough that they were dodging my balloons instead of throwing their own.

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Post by Rat Man on Nov 12th, 2015 at 8:48am
One thing to be careful of, Xenovora, if you haven't already figured it out; beware of making your cracker too long. Doing so will result in a rather painful welt across the palm of your hand. Trust me, I know.

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Post by abaddoneats on Jan 20th, 2016 at 12:49am
Seriously looking for someone to critique my work here. Made this one today. It's longer than the one I made yesterday has a wrist thingy and instead of a knoT a little tail. Whipped an avocado pit at my couch a minute ago and it cracked scared the crap out of my dogs. .. it stretches across my chest in length from wrist to wrist. Is that too long? How long should it be?
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Post by abaddoneats on Jan 20th, 2016 at 12:52am
Which is better leather or woven pouch? Natural or artificial material? I figured natural would be best because that's what they used back in the day... should pouch be larger than ammo? Thinner? There's so many types of sling I've seen on the net

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Post by TobyC on Jan 20th, 2016 at 9:47am
It all depends on personal preference and style, I like a solid, cupped leather pouch with a quick throwing style. For a slower style with multiple rotations, a split pouch might be better. The pouch should usually be larger than the ammo, but that also depends on style and experience.

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Post by Tomas on Jan 20th, 2016 at 7:29pm
Simple and clean lines brat complicated over thought stuff most times.

I like a split leather pouch with thin flat cords around 30" long.
I also try and make my pouch and the transition as streamlined as possible.

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Post by Tomas on Jan 20th, 2016 at 7:29pm
Beat*

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Post by abaddoneats on Jan 21st, 2016 at 2:29am
Thanks for your imput. The one I made yesterday is much better than the short one I made the day before. I think it's a bit too long though. I wish there was some standard. Like length for style should/must be equal to length of such and such body parts or something like that.

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Post by Dr.Roz on Jan 25th, 2016 at 5:59pm
Hi, I am an archaeologist who works in the Pacific Islands, such as the Marianas, including Guam. Does anyone know if sling stones (either biconical or sphercal) were used in the Philippines by indigenous groups? Have sling stones been documented from any prehistoric archaeological sites in the Philippines? I would appreciate any leads. Thanks.

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Post by Morphy on Feb 6th, 2016 at 2:29pm
If you can get a hold of Pikaru he might have info for you. I believe other members as well. Short answer is I believe they were used in the Pacific Islands but don't have much more info than that.

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Post by David Morningstar on Mar 6th, 2016 at 2:21pm

You should probably get this book, its very good.

http://www.amazon.com/Slings-Slingstones-Forgotten-Weapons-Americas/dp/1606351079

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Post by detroithiker on Mar 9th, 2016 at 3:41pm
Has anyone tried to use tubular webbing like this stuff for climbing?
It is rated at 17.8 kilonewtons working strength (4001.59919 pounds-force) with far far less elongation than paracord.
It takes a great deal of power to stretch it, I figure with a 3 or 4 oz projectile, we would not exert enough force to cause any elongation.
What do you folks think.
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Post by walter on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:46pm
Balearic legal sling has been mentioned a few times on this site. There is also a balearic legal competition.

My question is, what (exactly) is a balearic legal sling? :-?

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Post by HuntsmanSling on Mar 9th, 2016 at 7:54pm
Historically it has always been a sling with 100% natural fibers, however as I understand from recent competitions you can have synthetic in your slings. The rules have become more relaxed. I believe it also has to have the basic design of a sling with finger loop, retention cord, pouch of some sort, and release cord. Other than that you can have any version of pouch, ie split pouch or solid cupped shape.. it doesn't need to be a typical Balearic split pouch.

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Post by walter on Mar 9th, 2016 at 8:16pm
Ah, so my balearic slings would be balearic legal 8-)

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Post by Boodz on May 11th, 2016 at 6:33pm
Hey detroithiker you should check out the seat belt sling, very similar material and strength: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243340828/0

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Post by Vlad on Aug 18th, 2016 at 5:01am
Where is the homapage gone?

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Post by Masiakasaurus on Aug 21st, 2016 at 12:51pm
Our host is temporarily redirecting everything to the forum while we update some of our software for the home page. See this thread in the administrative section.

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Post by Tomas on Oct 17th, 2016 at 11:05am
Any ideas on telescopic cords? Would make keeping a sling in ones pocket a bit tidier but I think I'm just reaching for straws

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Post by curious_aardvark on Oct 17th, 2016 at 4:12pm
nope there was a thread a while back where someone did make a sling with adjustable length cords. Some sort of special knots i think. Should be findable in the search if it's not in the index.

Title: Navajo Sling Use?
Post by coyoteslinger on Nov 12th, 2016 at 12:37pm
I was wondering if anyone has any information of use of the sling by the Navajo. I would assume they did as there are collections containing Ute and Apache slings. I'm working on a university paper on the slings of the SW and would really like to get some citeable info on Navajo slings.

I've looked over at the Project Goliath page to no luck, any help would be appreciated thanks!

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Post by WojtekimbieR on Dec 10th, 2016 at 8:17am
Found this in the FAQ but the link's broken, can anyone point me to the way of tying this pouch?

http://slinging.org/index.php?page=making-a-simple-string-sling-an-illustrated-guide---malik-lund

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Post by walter on Dec 10th, 2016 at 8:31pm
It's a sheepshank sling. There is a half hitch at both ends. Run the cords through the small opening that is created when you tie the half hitches and you are good to go. You can also add a weaver and make a solid pouch.  ;)

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Post by WojtekimbieR on Dec 12th, 2016 at 4:20pm
Thank you Walter
I was going to make some (actually 20) slings for a class but don't have nearly the time to braid each, nor enough leather/seatbelt for that many solid pouches. Sheepshank's gonna be perfect.

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Post by walter on Dec 12th, 2016 at 7:19pm
You are welcome and good luck with your class :)

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Post by d010060002 on Apr 12th, 2017 at 5:45pm
I've been out of the game for awhile, but I just got 500 ft of paracord for sling making. I recall that rockman and pj were among the most highly recommended designs, but I can't find the tutorials anywhere. I tried the sticky, but it says the page is no longer available. Any ideas?

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Post by Timothy Potter on Apr 13th, 2017 at 12:35pm
Happliy, those tutorials weren't just on the now-absent main site; you can find them here:

Rockman Sling: https://sites.google.com/site/rockmansling/

peacefuljeffrey sling (5-strand Woven Paracord Sling): http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225969604

-Timothy Potter

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Post by Masiakasaurus on Apr 13th, 2017 at 4:54pm
Thanks for pulling those up! I'll update the sticky when I have time.

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Post by Ejamison on Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:01pm
Does anyone have pointers on adding leather to braided slings? Specifically on sewing it in, etc

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Post by JudoP on Apr 18th, 2017 at 7:55pm
Are you aiming to sew onto the split pouch itself as a covering? Sew it over a split to create a solid pouch? Line the fingerloop?

I found the sewing side fairly simple to pick up, just poke holes through the leather with an awl then you can either sew from hole across to the other side hole then pull it tight so it constricts the leather to the sling, or you can actually push the needle through the hole and the sling itself actually attaching it on. I find the latter is less tight but it depends on what you need. Softer is sometimes better, and it's probably easier too.

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Post by Ejamison on Apr 18th, 2017 at 8:21pm
Ahhhhh. I see. Well, I was thinking that you sewed it into the sling itself on a split pouch. This gives me more options.

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Post by JudoP on Apr 18th, 2017 at 9:02pm
In the case of a split pouch I find sewing on seems to work better. If the split has thin cords you may have to sew across though. Fingerloops my preference is to sew across and pull tight.


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Post by Vlad on Jun 15th, 2017 at 3:05am
Does anyone have the historical section articles from former slinging.org homepage saved somewhere?

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Post by Curious Aardvark on Jun 15th, 2017 at 7:27am
yep I do.
But due to the crappy way the website system works - they are not actually single file articles.
It's a horrible system and one I had nothing to do with setting up.

So even finding the relevant text is more than a little tricky, as it's not in a specifically labelled file, but kind of scattered through the folders.
It also has the major disadvantage that it uses .php and will only run on a web server. So I can't even view the site offline, even though I have the complete files and folders.

So I can't even do a dry run updating the cms made simple (think that's what it's called) before totally buggering up the website. One of the reasons I haven't tackled that side of things yet.

Is there anything specific you're after ?
Can't promise anything, but I can have a look and see if I can find it.   

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Post by Vlad on Jun 16th, 2017 at 7:11am
Well i remember there was something about the Balearic islands children learning slinging by shooting their lunch down a tree or something and something about Celsus's book where he described how to cure sling injuries and how to remove sling projectiles. Not sure if it was the same article.

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Post by RC on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 9:33am
I'm curious what thickness of leather (in millimeters) you guys use for:

a) covering for split pouches (balearics)
b) paracord + leather types of slings?

I'm about to buy a few pound bag of cowhide scraps and I'd appreciate pointing in the right direction.

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Post by Morphy on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 10:12am
I dont know the official type I use. I just know what it feels like. When Im low on leather somtimes Ill go by garage sales and buy up any of those old jansport backpacks with leather on the bottom. A couple will last a long time depending on how many slings you make. Its the perfect weight, strength and flexibility for my needs.

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Post by vetryan15 on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 12:22pm
I use elk and mostly moose hide. the old hides I used were about 2mm. The new stuff is about 6oz weight, about 2.5mm thick. Which is nice an heavy duty.  For my baleric slings. The leather is thin. About 1.2mm up to 1.5mm.

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Post by Drakolith on Jun 23rd, 2017 at 10:27pm
I just use bags of scrap leather I get at my local hobby store. (Hobby lobby). Though if you want maximum durability, I would recommend kangaroo leather, ive never used it but it's supposed to be really tough, they use it for slots of things requiring something thin, light, and tough, like motorcycle gear.

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Post by higg13 on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:07pm
This might have been asked before, but what's the difference between the byzantine and sidearm throw?

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Post by higg13 on Jul 17th, 2017 at 3:09pm
Is it that with the sidearm the wind up stays beside your body but with the byzantine the wind up is above you?

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Post by Tomas on Jul 17th, 2017 at 7:33pm
Byzantine is specifically a single rotation throw. I don't think it matters if you throw it sidearm or overhand.

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Post by Mersa on Jul 19th, 2017 at 6:15pm
There used to be a section with distances and people's names is this still around.

What's the offical world record distance with a sling ??


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Post by JudoP on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 4:41am
With regards to styles there are videos on youtube. This one is pretty good- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdRs4x1fs&t=262s

There is no 'sidearm' in the video above, as far as I know, standard sidearm is basically equivalent to balearic style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojtZakKT5FE

I'm not sure of the actual official WR, it's basically about 500m though.

The list of throwing records from forum users can be found here: digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1032&context=anthrotheses On page 53.


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Post by The Montanan Slinger on Dec 9th, 2017 at 4:48pm
I'm wanting to make my first true Balearic STYLE sling from Jute. How does the splicing process work? From what I understand it's taking a bundle of fibers and shoving it into long frayed end, and twisting the cord and then feed your new string back into the braid or twist as if nothing happened. What force keeps those two cords together? Also, is it possible to add fibers to the middle of the cord.

EDIT: Oh and I'll probably need some clear instruction on dyeing slings.

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Post by vetryan15 on Dec 9th, 2017 at 5:24pm
I can help with the dying  cords. U can use food dye, but my experience wasn't too good. I use 'Rit' brand dye. U can pick it up at Walmart In the laundry detergent aisle. Instructions are easy, just add the dye to hot almost boiling water. Abd put tge cordage in there and let it soak in for a bit.

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Post by walter on Dec 9th, 2017 at 6:18pm
Montanna slinger,there are a couple vids on braiding balearic slings somewhere on this site. One is made from sisal string. The braider shows how to reduce the string back to fiber ands makes a sling from that.  Donnerschlag made an excellent tutorial using bakers twine.
I just finished another hemp cord balearic posted in market place. I spiced in 10 cords just above the split. Learned to do that from the vids I mentioned above.
Maybe someone has pics of the process that they would like to share, or I will take some when I make my next sling.

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Post by The Montanan Slinger on Dec 9th, 2017 at 10:57pm
@walter, is one of the videos you mention Paleoarts? If so, I agree that it was indeed a great tutorial, I made a sling from sisal using the info, I don't trust my own work though with that, so I just keep that one as an ornament. I kinda wonder since I'm using Jute with this new one planned, I figure I wouldn't need to soak it. I also saw Donnerschlag's and that is very useful, I learned a knot for tying a release end, it was also very clear in instruction

All I'm really concerned about is just being able to properly splice is all. Which of course with your help you've given I will learn to do it. @vetryan15, That cord dying technique will be very useful. Gotta save time by buying generic cord to then dye rather than buy pre-dyed cord!

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Post by walter on Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:56am
no, not paleo. Both vids were made by spanish guys.

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Post by The Montanan Slinger on Dec 10th, 2017 at 10:58am
@walter; oh it was aurelio, excuse me. Now to find the second video.

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Post by rcoon8865 on Dec 18th, 2017 at 12:47pm
Any one have details about a sling that can make a bull whip
cracking sound.

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Post by JudoP on Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:01am
I find the best crackers I've made have these properties (in this order):

1. A thin and flexible end of sling
2. A 'brush' of loose fibres at the end
3. A thicker middle which tapers down
4. Relatively short
5. Split pouch for easier movement through air

The best cracking sling I've made was a 25'' nylon braided split pouch- it had all of the above characteristics. Even with relatively little effort or an empty sling it can be surprisingly loud.

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Post by Morphy on Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:18am
There was a video on this site at one time of a member named Matthais who made a sling from lead cored wire or cordage of some type. It was pretty normal except for the increased mass. It would crack like you wouldn't believe. Maybe someone can find it? I have no idea how.

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Post by Drakolith on Dec 19th, 2017 at 10:45am
I remember that, though that was a bit ago, so it’s probably buried under tons of other posts by now.

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Post by walter on Dec 19th, 2017 at 5:54pm

Morphy wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:18am:
There was a video on this site at one time of a member named Matthais who made a sling from lead cored wire or cordage of some type. It was pretty normal except for the increased mass. It would crack like you wouldn't believe. Maybe someone can find it? I have no idea how.


It was a lead wire core. To say it had a loud crack is a bit misleading. It actually sounded like rolling thunder  :)

Title: Which knots should I know about?
Post by Euclid on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 11:07am
I managed to reach my current age without knowing anything about knots beyond what's required for footwear, so I'm quite proud of that.

However, I have now reached a point where knowledge about knots has become critical. So to get straight to the point:

What knots are used to attach a cord, rope, twine, or string to a pouch, and how do you make them? Names would be useful. (I've learned the "bowline" lately, but what other ones are useful for slings?)

Thanks!


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Post by kicktheotter on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 2:14pm

Euclid wrote on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 11:07am:
What knots are used to attach a cord, rope, twine, or string to a pouch, and how do you make them?


The very first sling I made (and I still use it to this day with no problems) was made from two lengths of paracord and a slighshot pouch, one of the big ones that Barnett slingshots use. I used slipknots to attach to the pouch, another slipknot for the retention cord to go around my middle finger and then just an over-hand knot for the release cord to hold onto. It's about as simple as a sling can get and has served me well.
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Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 22nd, 2018 at 3:45pm
@ Euclid... a lot of it is personal preference, but general principles are to look for knots that are reliably secure and use minimal cordage to perform the intended function  (unless you’re being intentionally decorative).  After that, you can also look at how easy it is to untie, which may or may not matter to you.  But if you really want to learn knots, look at asemery’s posts

If you only ever learn one knot, you correctly chose the bowline. It’s secure, easy to untie, and uses the least amount of cord relative to other ways to tie a similar loop.

I prefer barrel knots instead of overhand knots for my release cord knots, because they don’t slip or change position as easily on slippery cords

If you want a good knot reference on your phone, download the knots3D app.

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Post by Euclid on Jun 30th, 2018 at 9:34am
Thanks guys, I'll try a few variations.

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Post by Caldou on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 4:48pm

Morphy wrote on Dec 19th, 2017 at 9:18am:
Maybe someone can find it? I have no idea how.


Easy, I have it in my favorites : http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1123105011
I only have to find this lead core to send one to C_A that has been waiting since 2005 that someone make him one...

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Post by cpman on Jul 28th, 2018 at 6:48pm
Ive got a question about picking up a new style.

I’ve really honed my fig-8 (especially for distance) — pretty much every shot is in nearly the same plane and it’s mostly vertical accuracy problems.

Today, I was playing around and was experimenting with a simple sidearm — start from a resting position, pull the loaded sling up and forwards, go around your head, then release sidearm. I was surprised at how accurate I was, even though 90%+ of my practice has been fig-8. Of the ~25 shots or so, every single one went forward in more or less the intended direction. It seems like it’d only take a week or so of daily practice to get half decent at it.

It’s as if my fig-8 skills have somewhat translated to the new style. Do any of y’all notice this? Is it just because I’m much more familiar with slinging than I used to be?

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Post by Mersa on Jul 29th, 2018 at 1:00am
The more you sling the more you discover.

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Post by Tomas on Jul 30th, 2018 at 7:31am
You’re def getting better at throwing overall.
I use different slinging styles for different results. I can throw harder and further with a low sidearm but accuracy is almost unbeatable with figure 8 in my experience

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Post by Danielbeev on Aug 5th, 2018 at 6:50pm
I was wondering if there is a specific place where sling making and other tutorials are posted?

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Post by Drakolith on Aug 7th, 2018 at 3:42am
Well, there’s this. http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1260271797 if your looking for tutorials, I made one and it’s not on here so if ya want that I can link it.

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Post by DavidtheSlinger on Sep 4th, 2018 at 5:08pm
Hey everyone! I had a random question pop into my head to ask y'all!
I'm not sure if this has already been asked or not.
Depending on the number of slings you have, how do you store them? I have about five or six total, and they tend to simply become a big glob on my desk. Do y'all have a special place y'all keep your slings?
Let me know!

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Post by Flint Austone on Sep 4th, 2018 at 5:31pm
I hang mine on small hooks in my little leather shop.
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Post by Teg on Sep 4th, 2018 at 5:31pm
I store them tied up in bundles in a big cardboard box. Those which do not like to be rolled up I usually just losely coil and put on top. One is on a pin board. The ones I use regularly are coiled in my ammunition backpack.
Other popular choices are coathangers, nails in the wall or clothes rails.

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Post by Blue Raja on Sep 5th, 2018 at 9:56am
pushpins in the wall

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Post by Morphy on Sep 5th, 2018 at 10:45am
Cardboard box in the closet.

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Post by Drakolith on Sep 5th, 2018 at 11:08am
I hang mine over a blanket hanging on a curtain rod on my wall. I think there was a thread about sling storage where I posted a pic and so did many others but I’m too lazy to go look for it.

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Post by Mersa on Sep 5th, 2018 at 5:28pm
Always have a sling on my key ring. The others live in my room or in my pocket.

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Post by Tomas on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:16am
I hang em on the clothing rail in my closet. That being said, being stuffed in a backpack has never hurt either hahaha

Title: Can anyone tell me how to add a short vidoe to my post ?
Post by Vance on Oct 28th, 2018 at 11:58pm
Thanks

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Post by Curious Aardvark on Oct 29th, 2018 at 7:36am
mine are all over the place. hundred or so in bags. Always a couple in my back pocket, and a nice woven one from guelu in my jacket pocket.
I think it was made from unravelled plastic washing line. Unlike the ones made with natural materials, it doesn't mind being scrunched up in  a pocket :-)

My leather and paracord ones don't really care what you do with them :-)

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Post by Vance on Oct 29th, 2018 at 10:26pm
Can you tell me how to add a video to my post ?  I get the "too large" error on my smallest one.

Thanks in advance

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Post by kicktheotter on Oct 30th, 2018 at 1:51am
I've been uploading to YouTube then sharing the link here. Easiest way to do it I've found.

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Post by Willem208 on Oct 30th, 2018 at 1:12pm
New to the forums and slinging. I have some questions. First, how to hold the sling? With the retention shank and release cord both over your index finger or with the retention shank hanging down and the release cord held by your thumb on your index fingers? Hope that made sense as I'm not good at explaining stuff. And when using pointy rock the glande shaped ones do you put them (say the string is laid out flat and each end stretched out) running in line with the cords or at 90 degrees to the cord? And lastly, whats everyone's favorite slinging style, and your favourite sling? I'm looking for my next sling project. ;)

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Post by Curious Aardvark on Oct 30th, 2018 at 2:55pm
always load ammo horizontal to the pouch.
unless it's spherical :-)

Most common way to hold a sling is with the retention loop over your middle finger with the cord pointing up (ie: above the back of your hand).
The release cord us then gripped between your thumb and index finger. Or if you have  along tail for cracking it runs along your palm. You still secure it with your thumb.
Hang on I'll take a pic :-)

Okay this is the standard balearic grip. It's not what i usually use - but it's a great grip for beginners as it naturally seperates the two cords, reducing the chance of tangling and giving a consistent release point.

I will use it for balearic slings - but not for my own.
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Post by Willem208 on Oct 31st, 2018 at 12:50am
Thanks. Is it possible for a picture of the pointy ammo in the pouch? I also want to try make some clay bullets. Any ideas on that wil be appreciated.

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Post by NooneOfConsequence on Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:33pm
Curious Aardvark 3D prints rollers for making clay bullets a consistent shape. Look in the marketplace for more info.

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Post by cram on Apr 16th, 2019 at 10:33am
Is there a way to waterproof acrylic yarn?

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Post by joe_meadmaker on Apr 19th, 2019 at 12:09pm
@ cram

I haven't been able to find anything on waterproofing acrylic yarn specifically.  I saw it mentioned that acrylic yarn may have some natural resistance to water damage because it's a synthetic fiber.  I'm not sure if that's accurate or not.

I was able to find a resource on waterproofing hemp cordage using wax.  There is a video on the technique here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFploVWswZ0.  This is similar to what I do with bow strings.  I heat beeswax over a candle, and rub the softened wax over the string.  Then I pull the string through my fingers to press the wax in to it and remove excess.

You can also try a general Internet search on waterproofing cordage.  I found some other products, but some of the processes seemed a bit involved.  I don't know if wax will work with yarn, but it may be worth a try depending on the application you're planning for it.  Are you going to have a sling battle with water balloons? :D

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Post by NooneOfConsequence on Apr 19th, 2019 at 9:10pm

cram wrote on Apr 16th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Is there a way to waterproof acrylic yarn?


Acrylic absorbs water like nylon does but it shouldn’t really hurt it. It will absorb water from the humidity in the air too.

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Post by cram on Apr 21st, 2019 at 1:39am
Thanks! Though I'm not working with yarn anymore, I'm now working with jute, and I'll have to try that waxing thing. :)

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Post by cram on Apr 21st, 2019 at 12:36pm
I'm having trouble with distance, I can only sling up to 50-60 meters(my sling is 29 inches)  :'(

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Post by Kick on Apr 21st, 2019 at 1:59pm
What sling style are you using?

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Post by cram on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:18am

Kick wrote on Apr 21st, 2019 at 1:59pm:
What sling style are you using?

Side arm Balearic-ish.

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Post by Kick on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 2:43am
Maybe try out a few different styles. It might be that you just haven't found that style that you really click with yet. Getting some video can also be useful, even if you don't upload it here. If you do upload it then there are a fair few slingers around to offer advice :D

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Post by cram on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 3:56am
Thanks, I'll definitely try out different styles.But I'm not gonna film myself because I'm camera shy :D

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Post by Kick on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 9:54am
I get that but it can be good to film yourself just so you can see exactly how you're throwing.

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Post by cram on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 12:24pm
Well Ima try filming myself but I'm definitely not posting it  on any site ;D

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Post by Rat Man on May 3rd, 2019 at 10:47pm

cram wrote on Apr 22nd, 2019 at 12:24pm:
Well Ima try filming myself but I'm definitely not posting it  on any site ;D


    Whether or not you post a video of yourself slinging here is of course entirely your decision but if you want to get to the root of your problem as quickly as possible it's absolutely the best way.  Many members have done it. 
    If you choose to not post a video of yourself here don't worry... just keep working on your form.  Slinging is all about form... strength means little.  Eventually you will get it.

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Post by JudoP on May 4th, 2019 at 6:10am
You could try using better ammo if you aren't already Cram. Smooth pebbles will go a lot further than jagged rough stones, and you can make clay balls or glandes if you can't get hold of good enough stones.

As for technique you just gotta work on coordination and full body movement probably.

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Post by cram on May 4th, 2019 at 7:35am
Thanks JudoP and Ratman. I now use a fig. 8, where I use my legs as a "spring".

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Post by Curious Aardvark on May 4th, 2019 at 12:18pm
Hmm, well  a proper sidearm style is actually a lot better for distance than fig 8.

29 inches is fairly short.

In all slinging styles -  as with most martial arts - the real power comes from your waist.

Then biggest mistake people make is to just use their arms and try and 'throw' the missile.

Slings don't actually work like that.
The idea is to build up momentum using as much of your body as you can.

Video would really help - I've seen slingbadger and juan oliver ramon sling, I can pretty much guarentee you'll look better :whistle:

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by cram on May 23rd, 2019 at 10:40am
I'm gonna ask a simple question. What type of glande (in terms of shape) is the best?

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Post by Gunseki on May 30th, 2019 at 11:16am
I'm trying to make a sling and I'm mostly aiming for accuracy. So what I'm asking is how long should my sling be, how big the pouch has to be, and what type of rope it should be.

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Post by Kick on May 30th, 2019 at 11:37am
First take a piece of string then make it into a sling. Experiment. I still don't know how long a sling should be, how large the pouch should be or what it should be made from and I've been slinging for something like 4 or 5 years. I have slings made from paracord, jute, cotton string, yak hair, other types of synthetic material with pouches made from leather, braided, split-pouch, even a 3D printed pouch. If it can be made into a sling, chances are someone on the forum has tried it. I've even seen plastic shopping bags adapted into slings.

One measurement I've seen, and I would suggest for a beginner is measuring from your outstretched hand to the center of your chest. This will be the size of the sling when it's folded in half. Having said that, I have slings of all different lengths and thicknesses and weights and, as I said, materials. Experiment. See what works for you. All of this also goes for ammo :D

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Post by Sarosh on May 30th, 2019 at 2:33pm
if i was newbie again i would make 3 slings 60, 80 and 100 cm . also a 120cm ++ for pirouette if you want.
experiment with them...
I make my split-pouches 12-13cm for most uses: 20-300gram ammo
20cm for 250-500gram ammo.
20cm split pouch used with light ammo can cause projectile to go through and hit the split pouch , late releases and too much friction with the pouch.
you can try and see, it doesn't happen often just a lot more often than with the correct sized split-pouch.

I have little experience with other style pouches.

P.S. : if you can find cheap natural fiber cordage use that.
last resort are nylon,cotton and other stretchy or heavy materials.

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Post by Eudave on Jun 11th, 2019 at 4:43pm
xxkid123
my German is bad but it sounds like you are a hot potato

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Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jun 11th, 2019 at 5:02pm
@gunseki: accuracy depends way more on the slinger than the sling. If you want accuracy, use a heavier projectile and go slow until you’re consistent and then you can try to increase power.

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Post by cram on Jun 12th, 2019 at 9:21am
@ Eudave

Lol he is no longer active

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Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 14th, 2019 at 2:56pm
I need some advise from all the accomplished pouch weavers out there.  I've started braiding a new sling from linen and hemp, half one and half the other.  It looks fantastic so I'd like to do something a little more elaborate than my normal split with a leather pouch stitched on.  This will be the first time in my sling making career that I've ever woven a pouch.  I'd like something that looks nice, but is also fairly simple to make.  After a weaving practice session or two, I would like to be able to do the actual sling.

I've been looking through the tutorials and I'm leaning toward this pattern posted by Matthias, http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1168848146.  I'll need to make a small adjustment because it will be woven into a braided sling rather than just being a pouch, but I'm not too worried about that.

Also, when I reach the pouch area, I will have 16 strands.  All of them are around the 1.5 mm range in diameter.  Thoughts on this pattern working?  Other recommendations?

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Post by JudoP on Jun 14th, 2019 at 7:10pm
Rockman is the easiest woven pouch design in my experience, weaving two smaller bits is easier than one big one. Also rockman is a very good pouch, perhaps even the best of the woven variety. So I would recommend that.

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Post by walter on Jun 14th, 2019 at 10:06pm
@ joe_meadmaker

You might take a look at Timothy Potter's web site.

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Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 14th, 2019 at 11:20pm
@JudoP - I had also considered a rockman.  Thanks for the recommendation.  Maybe I'll go with that instead.

@walter - Is Timothy's website at http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/index.htm.  I ran a search and got that as a result, but the website doesn't appear to be up anymore.  Too bad.  :(

Thanks guys!

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Post by metalode on Jun 15th, 2019 at 1:09am

joe_meadmaker wrote on Jun 14th, 2019 at 11:20pm:
@JudoP - I had also considered a rockman.  Thanks for the recommendation.  Maybe I'll go with that instead.

@walter - Is Timothy's website at http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/index.htm.  I ran a search and got that as a result, but the website doesn't appear to be up anymore.  Too bad.  :(

Thanks guys!


The link you have there worked for me fine for potters website, just click through into something like
http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/howtos/tut2.htm

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Post by metalode on Jun 15th, 2019 at 1:55am
I do my rockmans while relaxing in the lazy-boy and use my toe when I get half way, anyone else have a very relaxed way of braiding you could do in this position?  ;D Keeps my hands busy when watching kids/tv ect.
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Post by cram on Jun 15th, 2019 at 3:03am
I got a simple question. How did the "byzantine" style get its name?

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Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 15th, 2019 at 9:10am

metalode wrote on Jun 15th, 2019 at 1:09am:
[quote author=5C5953695B5357525B575D5344360 link=1341614050/987#987 date=1560568829]The link you have there worked for me fine for potters website, just click through into something like
http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/howtos/tut2.htm

That link isn't loading either.  Thanks for the heads up though!  I'll give it a try from my work computer.  Might be something weird with my Internet connection and the host of that site.

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Post by Rat Man on Jul 15th, 2019 at 12:38am

cram wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 10:40am:
I'm gonna ask a simple question. What type of glande (in terms of shape) is the best?
 
Hi cram;
    Personally I have the best results with oval shaped smooth river stones about the size of a chicken's egg.  For me it's very easy to get a good rifled spin and consequent good distance and accuracy with them. 

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Post by Rat Man on Jul 15th, 2019 at 12:42am

Gunseki wrote on May 30th, 2019 at 11:16am:
I'm trying to make a sling and I'm mostly aiming for accuracy. So what I'm asking is how long should my sling be, how big the pouch has to be, and what type of rope it should be.

    A good rule of thumb is to make your sling's folded length half of your height.  Try that first but experiment with other lengths also. Everyone is different.  There are many excellent materials to make slings from, both synthetic and natural.  My favorite is jute.  It's easy to work with, cheap as dirt, and makes a great looking sling. How long the pouch has to be depends on what sort of projectile you'll be slinging.  For general  use I like my pouches about six inches long.  For tennis balls or snowballs you'd want a bigger pouch. 

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Post by cram on Jul 15th, 2019 at 5:23am
lol I forgot I even asked that question, but thanks

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Post by Bill Skinner on Jul 15th, 2019 at 11:04am
Byzantine style got its name from copying the starting position on Byzantine coins.

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by Rat Man on Jul 15th, 2019 at 8:31pm
    Golf balls are one of my favorite slinging projectiles.  If you get a good backspin on one it will fly amazingly far. 

Title: Re: ASK QUESTIONS HERE
Post by cram on Aug 1st, 2019 at 5:57am
Any tips for braiding with fibers?

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Post by NooneOfConsequence on Aug 1st, 2019 at 3:50pm
I don’t understand the question. What do you mean by “fibers”?

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Post by cram on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 4:02am
@ NooneOfConsequence

like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4ERyUXdYU&t=249s

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