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Message started by Fundibularius on May 24th, 2010 at 11:06am

Title: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Fundibularius on May 24th, 2010 at 11:06am
David slays Goliath (of course  :)), Parc Abbey Bible, Belgium, c. 1148

Note the finger (or toggle?) loop.

The sling does not seem to be composed of different materials.
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Fundibularius on May 24th, 2010 at 11:36am
Michel van der Borch, David and Goliath, den Haag, Netherlands, 1332

An illustration to Jacob van Maerland's Rijmbijbel.

The sling on this picture appears to be made from different materials (cords, pouch).
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Thearos on May 24th, 2010 at 3:18pm
David seems to have his stones in a fold of this tunic. Has anyone tried this ?

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Fundibularius on May 24th, 2010 at 3:48pm
I haven't found the right tunic yet.  ;)

It's similar to this one http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1257503658/112#112 and, as far as I remember, even to one of the slingers on Trajan's column (and probably other depictions).

Maybe an artistic convention.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Thearos on May 24th, 2010 at 3:53pm
Yes, the slinger on Trajan's column-- with stones in fold, and also a single grip shield, I think. Might be doable, with blanket folded as cloak. Time to experiment.

After all, what do I do-- I cycle or walk, see some good stones-- they go into my pockets if I have my coat. But ancient coats have no pockets, they're just, well, thrown and draped and pinned blankets. So make a pouch, stuff it with stones, let it hang.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Fundibularius on May 24th, 2010 at 4:11pm
Spot on, I guess!

For collecting stones in the ages before pockets, a folded mantle surely was very useful.

As for shooting... I think Jaegoor has experimented to sling with reserve rocks in his tunic or his cloak, and did not find it very effective.

Hmm... the Bible mentions explicitly that David took the rocks out of his shepherd's (probably shoulder) bag. Why then depict him like this? Ignorance? Or a special intention?

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Germany on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:59pm
that are only religious pics of the fight between david and goliath...
don´t you have any pics of battle scene ;)

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by HurlinThom on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 10:25pm

Germany wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:59pm:
that are only religious pics of the fight between david and goliath...
don´t you have any pics of battle scene ;)

Precisely. The artists use images from their own period. Ignoring David, Goliath is wearing medieval armor, not something from "whatever" BC. This sort of thing runs throughout the religious art of the Middle Ages. About the only ones dressed appropriately might be Adam and Eve, if you could call that dressed.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Germany on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 4:02am

HurlinThom wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 10:25pm:

Germany wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:59pm:
that are only religious pics of the fight between david and goliath...
don´t you have any pics of battle scene ;)

Precisely. The artists use images from their own period. Ignoring David, Goliath is wearing medieval armor, not something from "whatever" BC. This sort of thing runs throughout the religious art of the Middle Ages. About the only ones dressed appropriately might be Adam and Eve, if you could call that dressed.


right...
and i found a pic of the battle of najera froissart with slingers
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Fundibularius on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 3:37pm

HurlinThom wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 10:25pm:
The artists use images from their own period. Ignoring David, Goliath is wearing medieval armor, not something from "whatever" BC. This sort of thing runs throughout the religious art of the Middle Ages. About the only ones dressed appropriately might be Adam and Eve, if you could call that dressed.


Because this topic is called "more medieval sling pictures", not "clothes David might have actually worn 2000 years earlier".


Germany wrote on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 1:59pm:
that are only religious pics of the fight between david and goliath...
don´t you have any pics of battle scene ;)


If you browse through the topics of this board, you will certainly find quite a number of very interesting pictures from the middle ages showing slings. Of course, they are mostly depictions of David and Goliath, but the clothing and a number of details of the slings and the way they are held is authentic for the respective period when the paintings/drawings/reliefs etc were made.

Pictures of slings other than from the David/Goliath story do exist, but they seem to be comparatively rare for the middle ages. One is the famous slinger from the Bayeux Tepestry, others can be seen here http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1257503658/15. Follow the discussion for more information on the subject.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Germany on Jan 24th, 2011 at 8:29am
There only a few pictures of slings because every picture had to be paid.
And the noble was rich enough to pay for this.
But of course they want to be at the pictures and not some farmer with slings ;D

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Jan 30th, 2011 at 12:48pm
Here you are (click to enlarge) :D



http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4504/liber3.th.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4723/liber2.th.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/645/liber1.th.jpg

Hope you enjoy!
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Jaegoor on Feb 1st, 2011 at 6:13am
Which man of the nobility would have liked to be depicted in "breeches" like these?
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Jaegoor on Feb 1st, 2011 at 6:20am
And a rural scene...

You should consider that many noblemen did not live much better than some of their free peasants.
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Jaegoor on Feb 1st, 2011 at 6:34am
And finally again the scene from the Tapestry, copied in silk. The colours, however, do not correspond to those of the original. They are my colours. The stones are original slingstones from the Lüneburger Heide whose authenticity has been proved. They are from the 11th century.
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Wayfarer on May 1st, 2011 at 10:01pm

Jaegoor wrote on Feb 1st, 2011 at 6:34am:
And finally again the scene from the Tapestry, copied in silk. The colours, however, do not correspond to those of the original. They are my colours. The stones are original slingstones from the Lüneburger Heide whose authenticity has been proved. They are from the 11th century.


That's a really cool keepsake Jaegoor, i would be thrilled to own sling stones in that condition  ;D

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Jaegoor on Sep 28th, 2011 at 4:17pm
Two very interesting pictures.

Although lie between both pictures more than 200 years, the Slinger are absolutely same in the technology.


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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Jaegoor on Sep 29th, 2011 at 3:36am
:o :o :o
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by slingbadger on Sep 29th, 2011 at 10:04pm
Anybody notice in the first one that the slinger's feet are backwards??

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Thearos on Oct 2nd, 2011 at 7:52pm
Nice pics, but without date and place, difficult to use.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Oct 5th, 2011 at 5:44am
The last one *seems* to be from the Maciejowski?
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:32pm
St. Etienne Bible, MS 12/15, vol.3, fol.13 recto - year 1109:



The first who find David wins a date with C_A  :D
Greetings,
Mauro.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by SchlrFtrRkMystc on May 31st, 2013 at 4:13am
These are awesome... thanks... though the dates on the pics and where they're from would be great on some of these

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Caldou on Jun 7th, 2013 at 4:58pm
This one is not strictly medieval, it dates from 1605 or 1606. Here is David by Guido Reni (1575 - 1642) :
http://p2.storage.canalblog.com/21/58/119589/77936726_p.jpg

The same, but bigger : http://everypainterpaintshimself.com/article_images_new/David_Contemplating_1.jpg If will get even bigger if you click it :)

With this one, we can see the peculiar style fo the sling : http://www.artliste.com/guido-reni/david-tete-goliath-105.html. Try zooming.
It's a very thin retention cord, twisted loop on the index, with a lozange netted pouch and a very tapered HUGE twisted release cord.

A bit later, the same painted another David, without any fancy hat : http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/guido-reni/david-and-goliath-1610 (for more details, click on view all sizes then original)
The sling was put back in the folds of the toga but we can see the oversized release cord with the cute tassel ^^

I can't guess why the release cord is so much larger than the pouch sides or the retention cord...

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Thearos on Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:30pm
I don't think this has been posted-- the Maciejowski bible's representation of David.
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by slingbadger on Jan 1st, 2015 at 4:25pm
Not quite period. 1605, Orazio Gentileschi. From the National Gallery of Ireland
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by slingbadger on Jan 1st, 2015 at 4:33pm
From the Chronica Majora of Matthew Paris. Slingstaff action
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by slingbadger on Jan 1st, 2015 at 4:35pm
Again from the Chronica Majora of Matthew Paris. The Siege of Damietta.
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Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by TOMBELAINE on Jun 19th, 2019 at 10:28am
In the drawing of Bono Mellius in the post of Jaegoor, I think is not the feet that are backwards, but the drawing of the smock of the soldier was not well.
The position is the same of the precedent post.

Title: Re: More medieval sling pictures
Post by Genghisken on Aug 7th, 2019 at 10:47am
ok in fairness, I popped in here ready to debate since the thread title was "More medieval Sling Pictures" and I was curious how you could find a photographer in the middle ages let alone get slingers still long enough to pose for pictures...alas, I had forgotten that pictures can also be "drawn" :-P

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