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Message started by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 8:26am

Title: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 8:26am
Every now and then someone new asks,  "How do I make a sling? I can't find any suitable leather." That's often the hard part. In this modern synthetic age, good leather is often hard to find. But don't despair you can make a top notch sling from old seat belting material which can be had for free from just about any car wecker or repairer. In fact though I still send out my Aussie Pouches I don't use one myself very often and prefer slings made this way.

Here is a completed seatbelt sling
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Post by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 8:32am
Step 1

Cut a square ended piece of seat belt. approx 175mm or 7" long. Gently heat seal the cut ends with a cigarette lighter to minimize fraying.
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Post by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 8:36am
Step 2.

Fold the end of the piece into an "M" shape and hold in place with a rubber band.
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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 8:45am
Step 3.

Now thread the cord into the valley of the M shape under the rubber band. IMPORTANT Now you must melt a large ball on the end of the cord. Make sure this is really secure or if in doubt tie a simple knot in the end of the cord. It is critical that the cord is not able to be pulled out of the completed sling. (The photo does not show this melted ball very clearly.)


PS Since posting this tutorial I have managed to pull hard enough to actually separate the melted ball from the cord and it pulled out. Tie a knot and be sure!
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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 9:00am
Step 5.

Now comes the critical part. Using strong thread bind the end of the belting material so it forms a very firm constriction which does not allow the ball on the end of the cord to pull out. The easiest way to do this is to use a piece of string around 10-12 inches long so it's long enough to get a good grip of, and tie a series of simple overhand knots on either side, pulling each one tight. You can form two layers of binding this way. You should go around the constriction at least 8-10 times. (If you know how to do whipping you can conceal the ends of the string very easily in the groove which makes a very neat finish.) I also like to coat the entire surface of the constriction with superglue which strengthens it and eliminates any possibility of unravelling.
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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by melliphile on May 26th, 2009 at 9:10am
Outstanding!  I love the re-use of old materials.  I bet your slings show very little wear over time, that's tough stuff you're working with.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 9:22am
Step 6.

Repeat the exact same process on the other end of the pouch material. Once complete pull on the cords until the ball end or knot comes up against the constriction on each end. It often partially disappears into the valley formed by the material and looks quite neat.  Now test your sling by stepping on the pouch and pulling on the cords as hard as you can to be sure they won't pull out.

Step 7.
Form your release knot and retention loop and the job is complete. With a bit of practise it takes less than 15 minutes for the whole job.

Notes.
The material as shown in the photos is ordinary seat belting which is a trifle stiff to work with but very strong. The cord is cheap synthetic material of some kind I got from a $2 shop. Motor mower pull-start cord is very strong but a touch hard on delicate fingers and a little hard to tie. Paracord is less longlasting but ties well and feels very nice in the hand.

You can also use this method with ordinary webbing of the type used for back pack straps. I like 2" wide material but you can use narrower which also forms very easily but may not be wide enough for tennis balls.

Tie down strap is very soft and pliable and forms a beautifully cupped pouch for tennis balls but may not last too well with abrasive stones. With a tennis ball it shows no wear after thousands of shots.


Good luck and please let me know if you make one.

Aussie

Here is a tie down strap version which I made some time ago. (Sorry fuzzy picture)


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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Fundibularius on May 26th, 2009 at 9:26am
Great idea, great tutorial! Thanks!

I'll probably have to get rid of my dear old car next month, and this is a very nice way to keep a lasting memory of it.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 26th, 2009 at 9:33am

melliphile wrote on May 26th, 2009 at 9:10am:
Outstanding!  I love the re-use of old materials.  I bet your slings show very little wear over time, that's tough stuff you're working with.


With tennis balls it shows NO wear. Only the release cord wears with time as I use Fig.8 almost exclusively and it strikes the ground. With stones there will be some surface abrasion but even then the material itself is quite strong. Anyhow replacement is free and takes around 15 minutes to make a new sling, so why worry.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on May 26th, 2009 at 12:20pm
Where's the "applause" emoticon?

This is a great idea!
I'm now totally interested in getting a hold of some seatbelt surplus to try this out.  I really like the simplicity of the design, and the solid pouch!  :)

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Pio on May 26th, 2009 at 12:31pm

Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2009 at 8:36am:
Step 2.

Fold the end of the piece into an "M" shape and hold in place with a rubber band.

Great!, thank you. The idea of the “M” is brilliant. I had tried to use this material sometimes but I was never obtaining acceptable results. This system seems very interesting to me.

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Post by Et Cetera on May 26th, 2009 at 7:19pm
Great tutorial!  [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif](weird clapping guy?)I really gotta try to get a hold of some seat belt. Again, very nice.

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Post by Rat Man on May 26th, 2009 at 11:32pm
So simple and easy, yet effective.  Good stuff, Aussie!  Thanks.  I have to try this one.  You could do this with a lot of different materials.  

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 27th, 2009 at 1:20am
Yes you can use various kinds of webbing material depending on what you have available. Nothing really original in the design but I was aiming at something simple with common materials, avoiding the difficulty of getting suitable leather. The trouble with most of them is that they fray once cut. This design, though perhaps not ideal, gets around the fraying problem, so a beginner who thinks he might just like to give this slinging thing a go can make a good, safe and effective sling with minimal expense and time.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Camo-sling on May 27th, 2009 at 5:04am
off to the wreckers!

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Post by dork on May 27th, 2009 at 3:56pm
Thats a great looking set up. Very simple and creats a uniform shape pouch.

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Post by slinger87 on May 27th, 2009 at 5:57pm
Thats a great idea! I live next to this car shop with a ton of old, broken down cars no one uses any more, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to take any seat belts from them (no, they aren't costomers of his's cars

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Amb1995 on May 28th, 2009 at 11:08am
great idea, i could possibly try this someday when i'm older.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 29th, 2009 at 6:44am

Amb1995 wrote on May 28th, 2009 at 11:08am:
great idea, i could possibly try this someday when i'm older.


You may have to be older to actually drive a car, but to get a piece of old seat belt?

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 5:57am

Pio wrote on May 26th, 2009 at 12:31pm:

Aussie wrote on May 26th, 2009 at 8:36am:
Step 2.

Fold the end of the piece into an "M" shape and hold in place with a rubber band.

Great!, thank you. The idea of the “M” is brilliant. I had tried to use this material sometimes but I was never obtaining acceptable results. This system seems very interesting to me.


Pio,

You say you have made a sling from this tutorial. Please make comments and suggestions for improvements if you have any. Perhaps a photo?

Aussie

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Camo-sling on Jun 7th, 2009 at 1:59am
My feedback:

Very good sling, easy to make, nice to sling. 9/10
Great for rocks and tennis balls and can look pretty good!
well done aussie! and thanks again!


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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by johnny cott on Jun 7th, 2009 at 4:06am
You have done it again aussie . great tutorial I always woundered how to make a seat belt sling now I know . I will let you know how I get on with it

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Post by johnny cott on Jun 7th, 2009 at 4:09am
one day I am going to learn how to type

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 7th, 2009 at 6:49am
Thanks Johnny, and special thanks to you Camo for making your sling and posting a photo on the same day. Proof that it really is quick and easy.

In the next couple of days I'll post an addendum showing how to tie West Country whipping. It really gives a professional finish and is also very easy to do.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jun 8th, 2009 at 6:27am
A few hours ago, I made an Aussie Seatbelt Sling (ugh, I'm not going near that acronym!  ;D) but since I haven't yet obtained a seatbelt, I used a section of denim from a pair of old shorts that were too worn out in the seat to wear anymore.

It came out quite well, but I don't really trust the weakened denim for bearing much strain, so this one probably won't see use.  I do think it is capable of slinging golf balls, though.

It serves as a working prototype, to let me know that this is a pretty easy design to work with.  And I used my glow-in-the-dark cord for both the lines and the whipping.  :)


It occurs to me that the same design could be employed if you used a leather pouch instead of the seatbelt.  Since leather would probably not lend itself to being "M-folded," you could make a sort of "H"-shaped template for the pouch, where each extension of the H is essentially a tab about an inch long and about 2.5 times the width of the diameter of your cord.  Then you could (as I've described before) tie each line with a bowline or other loop at the end, and sever the bottom "U" of each loop, leaving you two attachment points for each line.  So you would do 4 whippings total.  I think that if you made the "H" shape actually a bit of an "X" shape, the pouch would cup the ammunition better.

If I get a chance, I'll try to draw up what I'm visualizing, or maybe just cut it out of denim and photograph it so you can see what I mean if the description doesn't do it for you.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by johnny cott on Jun 8th, 2009 at 6:39am
Aussie I have just made a seatbelt sling works fine thanks for the tutorial

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 8th, 2009 at 6:51am
With leather you don't really need to do the M fold because you can shape it and only have a narrow piece in the constriction. The only real advantage of this technique is that it is possible to use full width seat belt which cannot be cut on the diagonal because it frays very badly.


Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:07am
I understand what you mean about using a narrow piece of leather going into the two constrictions.  I guess perhaps I was overcomplicating it--I sometimes do that.  :-[

I wonder, though, if there would be an increased stability in the pouch if done like I was describing.  Possibly less shaping of the leather necessary by virtue of having four tabs making it into a cupped shape.  (I'm just guessing here; I've no experience working with leather.)

I am getting more and more eager to get myself some seatbelt.  Thinking about just cutting out the ones in the back seat of my car...

Just kidding!  I love my car too much to do that!  ;D

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:20am
PJ,

Cutting the seat belts in your car may be going too far although if the rear ones are non retractor reel type you would probably never miss 7" off the free end. ;)

Seriously though, I am sure you will have no trouble at all getting any amount of used seat belting from most crash repairers.

Aussie.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 8th, 2009 at 7:22am

johnny cott wrote on Jun 8th, 2009 at 6:39am:
Aussie I have just made a seatbelt sling works fine thanks for the tutorial


Thanks very much for letting me know. It gives me a real buzz to know the tutorial was of use.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Neander97 on Jun 8th, 2009 at 12:51pm
I like that.  It’s simple and elegant.

Sometimes we make things far more complicated than need be.  This is an excellent example of how not to do that.

Thanks for sharing this.

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Post by B.cereus on Jun 8th, 2009 at 1:40pm
Thanks for spreading the knowledge.  :)

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Post by xxkid123 on Jun 8th, 2009 at 5:15pm
hey, wait a second, i remember a how to exactly like this one except with duct tape

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Post by 4accord on Jun 8th, 2009 at 8:32pm
Once, in London about 1972, I had an old suitcase latch break, and I bought a strap that seemed to be exactly like this seatbelt material.  Maybe such strapping is still available today?

Aussie, you da man.  The only complaint I have is that I was only just now having a renewed love affair with your Aussie-original - of postal service conveyer belting!  It can't be beat for tennis balls.  Whatever am I to do now!?!

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:00pm
Sorry to interfere in your love life. ;D Always best to love the one you're with I think.

Please don't buy new seat belts. The idea is to use readily available, reclaimed material. I don't claim or even think that the seatbelt sling is intrinsically superior to leather or any other material, it's just available whereas leather can often be hard to find. However you can't just punch a couple of holes seat belting and fit cords like you can with leather because it frays very badly. The M fold gets around this problem.


Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Et Cetera on Jun 8th, 2009 at 9:19pm
Today I got a strap about as wide as a seat belt. I think it was for some sort of binder or briefcase but I'm going to try make a sling out of it.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 11th, 2009 at 7:29pm
Yep, as I said before, this technique works with many different types of belting material. Seat belt, back pack straps, load tie-down straps, etc. Probably work ok with burlap carpet edging as well. As PJ said before it works with denim, but I wouldn't trust denim for anything other than tennis balls unless you've got several thicknesses of it.

Stick with seat belts, available for the asking, work well and will last for ages unless you throw very abrasive stones. One seat belt will make at least half a dozen pouche seven if you have to discard some damaged or excessively dirty sections.

Use good quality cords, take a bit of care with the bindings and seal with superglue (important) and the resulting sling looks good and works well.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jun 11th, 2009 at 9:42pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 11th, 2009 at 7:29pm:
Use good quality cords, take a bit of care with the bindings and seal with superglue (important) and the resulting sling looks good and works well.



Granted, I haven't yet made one with actual seatbelt webbing, but I would go so far as to say that this kind of sling, done with paracord or something similar, could well be destined to become a "classic" kind of sling.  Extremely simple, extremely affordable, extremely durable, extremely versatile.  It has so much going for it!  :)

I can't wait to make one!  Gotta get out tomorrow and start hunting down seatbelts.  I'm going to try a junkyard, and also try auto collision repair shops.  I think they sometimes have wrecked cars on their lots that are waiting to be taken away and trashed.  They may not care at all about letting seatbelts be taken out, or even if they do they may want just a nominal amount of money for them.

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Post by Et Cetera on Jun 12th, 2009 at 12:00am
Aussie, you should be proud that people are actually wanting to go out and buy materials to make your sling!  :)

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 12th, 2009 at 12:56am

Et Cetera wrote on Jun 12th, 2009 at 12:00am:
Aussie, you should be proud that people are actually wanting to go out and buy materials to make your sling!  :)


I don't know if pride enters into it as such. I hate wasting money and it always gives me a buzz knowing I got something good for free. You have to buy cord because there is no ready supply of recycled stuff (as far as I know) and cord is cheap anyway. But seat belts - any amount available - just ask, and rear seat belts usually look like brand new anyway.

Slinging is such an inexpensive sport. In terms of bangs for bucks it's got to be right at the top of the heap.

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Post by Et Cetera on Jun 12th, 2009 at 3:32pm
I made one, would should I post a picture here or in the "pictures of slings and slinging" section?

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Post by ThePup on Jun 13th, 2009 at 10:33am
Nice, I think I just found the design to use for my first sling, I'm sure there's a suitable piece of webbing floating around work somewhere that'll do!  :-)  Thanks Aussie!

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Neander97 on Jun 13th, 2009 at 3:48pm
Last night I threw together a sling using Aussie’s (brilliant) suggestion of going with seatbelt webbing.  

I didn’t have any paracord, so I braided up some nylon seine line and wool yarn.  I stitched the thing together using heavy cotton thread and some light monofilament fish line.  I sealed the wrapping with marine-grade varnish.

As soon as I finish some chores, I’ll take a stroll in the woods, sling a rock or two and see how it works.  Maybe I’ll toss a couple of those lead net weights that I mentioned in another thread – there’s two of them in this photo.




Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 13th, 2009 at 7:14pm
Thanks for posting the picture. The effect looks really attractive, dresses up what can otherwise be somewhat plain in appearance. Is there any specific reason for the stitching along the sides? I also noticed you use the opposite side of the fold; I use the base of the M as the outside surface of the pouch. I don't think it will make any significant difference though.


PS Those barrel shaped sinkers should be perfect in that lightly cupped pouch.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 13th, 2009 at 7:16pm

Et Cetera wrote on Jun 12th, 2009 at 3:32pm:
I made one, would should I post a picture here or in the "pictures of slings and slinging" section?


I think here then all the seatbelt pouches will be together and easier to have a look at.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Neander97 on Jun 13th, 2009 at 8:44pm
Aussie,

I split my 6 strand braid at the “M” and ran a three strand braid up each side of the pouch and then stitched it in place along the edge.  I decided to reverse the “M” from the way it was in your tutorial as it seemed that it would form a decent cup. I guess all along I was thinking of those lead weights and it seems that it will be just perfect for them.

I haven’t yet had a chance to try it out . . . morning chores spilled way over into the afternoon.  I’m going to head down to the creek and see about catching some supper, so I’ll chuck a rock or two with it on the way down and see how it performs.

The appearance is kind of accidental – all I have to work with right now is the white nylon twine and black yarn, but it does look pretty good.

Thanks again for the seatbelt tip – it’s a winner.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by xxkid123 on Jun 14th, 2009 at 8:25pm
seriously, I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial for this already, but with duct tape.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by David Morningstar on Jun 15th, 2009 at 12:12pm

xxkid123 wrote on Jun 14th, 2009 at 8:25pm:
seriously, I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial for this already, but with duct tape.


You are possibly thinking of this, which was crossposted to us here at slinging.org: http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/23177

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Neander97 on Jun 15th, 2009 at 1:14pm
I slung a few rocks with the seatbelter this morning.  It’s a good sling.  

Whenever I get some paracord, I’m going to try one that follows Aussie plan more closely and give it a shot.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Et Cetera on Jun 15th, 2009 at 6:02pm
My seatbelt sling has probably become my favorite sling! It doesn't matter if it gets wet, it looks nice, and it works. I'll try to get a picture of it here. I've been using mostly rocks, and there's little or no wear so far, even with a material that isn't seatbelt, it's a carry strap thingy.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jun 16th, 2009 at 7:09am

David Morningstar wrote on Jun 15th, 2009 at 12:12pm:

xxkid123 wrote on Jun 14th, 2009 at 8:25pm:
seriously, I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial for this already, but with duct tape.


You are possibly thinking of this, which was crossposted to us here at slinging.org: http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/23177


Certainly similar but not identical; it doesn't use the "M fold" just rolls the edges of the duct tape in on itself from the outside and uses the actual sling cords for the constrictions. Of course you could probably combine both methods. Whatever methods or materials you use make sure you test the finished product by pulling as hard as you can on the cords to make sure everything will hold.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by xxkid123 on Jun 16th, 2009 at 4:25pm

David Morningstar wrote on Jun 15th, 2009 at 12:12pm:

xxkid123 wrote on Jun 14th, 2009 at 8:25pm:
seriously, I'm pretty sure there's a tutorial for this already, but with duct tape.


You are possibly thinking of this, which was crossposted to us here at slinging.org: http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/23177


oops, never mind

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jul 8th, 2009 at 8:51pm
I just posted a thread about having obtained a good amount of seatbelt material from a junkyard for FREE (well, the nominal $1.00 entry fee to enter the junkyard).

Just a few minutes ago I finished my first seatbelt sling.  I'll post pictures later tonight.  It uses glow-in-the-dark cord for the lines, and also for the whipping.  The knot inside the M-fold on each side is a multiple overhand knot (2 turns, which makes a little nugget); and the "whippings" themselves are also multiple over hand knots, with 4 turns each.  The whippings are not very long, but they grip fine.  I'll add some superglue (something I don't typically like to do) when I get home tonight to make the whole thing that much more secure.

I'll be making more of these (now that I have a prodigious supply of seatbelt) and I plan to use three- or four-strand braided hemp for the lines one of these days, and hemp for the whipping.  I'll be using the "Terminal Turk's Head" for the M-fold knot--anyone familiar with the book "How to Braid Quality Custom Tack" from Ubraidit.com will know the knot.

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Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:02pm
I forgot to mention this:

A good cord to use for tying the whippings is "mason's twine," which is usually a synthetic that you can get inexpensively at any hardware store.  I have seen it (in fact, I own some) in white, yellow and pink.  I have never seen it in blue or black though.  (I wish I had.)

Although I used the same cord for the whippings as I did for the retention/release lines on this last sling I made, when I make others, I'm planning to use the mason's twine.

Another good tidbit:  I have had good results with RIT Fabric Dye (the kind that comes in a box of powder) for use in dying white cord to other colors.  I have dyed white camping cord using RIT royal blue dye and the result was a nice-looking deep sky blue.  The dye is not expensive, and most any craft store will have it.  I even bought it at the supermarket a few times.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jul 9th, 2009 at 3:48am
OK, I'm ready with some pictures of the seatbelt sling(s) I made tonight.


The equipment (seatbelt, scissors, mason's twine, lighter, camping cord) I also used a titanium marlinspike, not pictured:




The Multiple-Overhand knot, which I used for what I will call the "nugget knot," which goes inside the M-fold:




The Multiple-Overhand knot, tightened:




The Multiple-Overhand knot nestled in the M-fold:
EDIT: NOTE:  This photo depicts where the nugget knot will end up eventually--not where you should have it when you begin tying the whipping.
In this picture, the "nugget knot" is snugged-up to the M-fold.   Actually, you should pull the nugget knot out toward the center of the pouch, leaving a bit of length of the cord, so that you don't end up tying the whipping around the nugget knot.  The idea is to tie the whipping tightly around the M-fold with the cord--not the nugget knot-- inside, and then pull the nugget knot so that it backs up against the tightly-held M-fold.  




Setting up the whipping to cinch the M-fold:




The whipping, finished but without the ends melted:




The whipping, completed:




A finished sling:




The pouch with a foam golf ball loaded:




The pouch with a foam golf ball loaded (note, pouch is turned inside-out):




I have not taken the sling out for testing yet.  I have this to observe about the pouch, though:
The pouch does not exactly "cup" the ball.  What happens is the back of the pouch simple folds, while the ends of the pouch (at the whipping) have their own cupped shape which actually is what is responsible for retaining the ball; but the retention will be effective only while the pouch is held closed prior to a throw or by the centrifugal force of the throw as it is spun.

I have not decided (since it will depend on testing experience) whether it is better to use the pouch "rightside out" (with the nugget knots on the inside of the pouch) or "inside out" (with the nugget knots on the outside of the pouch).  When I began the project I was thinking it was a no-brainer that they'd be inside, but now that I have seen the sling in my hands, I think a good case might be made for putting them outside.  The edges of the pouch do different things depending on which way you close it.

If you have questions, let me know.


edit:  Just saying thank you again to Aussie for the excellent idea and tutorial.  :)

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Jul 9th, 2009 at 8:20am
Aussie thank you again for all of your contributions to the community.

PJ once again your tutorial will be my guide in making a new kind of sling.

Ok I am off to get some paracord.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jul 9th, 2009 at 8:21am
P-J,

Thanks so much for trying and so beautifully documenting your making of the seatbelt sling. Your workmanship is par excellence! I had intended to post a few more photos of my most recent slings but there's little point now.

Couple of things:

1. I prefer to use ordinary cotton string for the constriction bindings so that I can seal them with superglue. The glue soaks into the fibres of the strig and forms an almost plastic like solid mass with NO chance of unravelling.

2. I definitely use the the pouch with the nugget knots on the INSIDE (opposite to your photo.) As you say the pouch does not really cup the projectile at the bottom but the side indentations caused by the valleys of the M fold do hold the ball securely and I have had not trouble with several thousand shots by now. However, it probably would be a good idea to tailor the pouch to the size of ball being thrown by varying the pouch length. For tennis balls I think 7 1/2" of strap may be just a bit better than my original suggestion of 7" and if tailored to golf balls only 6" may be best. Of course it may vary a little depending on how long the constriction bindings are. Mine come in 1/2" from each end.

Once again thanks for trying the idea and for the excellent photos.

Regards,

Aussie.

PS  I found it easiest to do the M fold first and hold it in place with a rubber band as you have shown, and then to insert the cord into the valley. Forming the M fold around the cord is harder to hold in place.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Thomas on Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:26pm
Aussie and P.J.

Both of you are “HOW TO” philanthropists!

tom

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Nailer on Jul 18th, 2009 at 5:46pm
That sling is a terrific idea.
Have to try it soon! Thanks for the pics.
By the way, Aussie, thanks a lot for your homonime slings. I had not entered the forum for a long time.
They arrived about two weeks after the date they left Australia, 4 days of which they stayed in my town´s postal office >:(  
Greetings!

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Joseph Curwen on Jul 28th, 2009 at 4:39pm
I just made one this evening.

It works wonderfully. I love its simplicity and i am astonished to see how well it can hold a tennis ball.

Very nice idea!




Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jul 28th, 2009 at 7:01pm
Joseph Curwen, your sling looks great!

It looks as though you, too, are using the sling with the nugget knot on the outside of the pouch.
I don't mean to be a detractor, but I found that the ammo is held better when using it that way than the way Aussie originally described.  I get excellent ammo retention/stability with the edges of the seatbelt curled inward on the ammo, nugget knot outside the pouch.  Both ways probably work sufficiently, but I have more confidence in it the way I described.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jul 28th, 2009 at 7:03pm
I edited the text of the fourth photo in my build-along, to make something more clear:

"The Multiple-Overhand knot nestled in the M-fold:
EDIT: NOTE:  This photo depicts where the nugget knot will end up eventually--not where you should have it when you begin tying the whipping.
In this picture, the "nugget knot" is snugged-up to the M-fold.   Actually, you should pull the nugget knot out toward the center of the pouch, leaving a bit of length of the cord, so that you don't end up tying the whipping around the nugget knot.  The idea is to tie the whipping tightly around the M-fold with the cord--not the nugget knot-- inside, and then pull the nugget knot so that it backs up against the tightly-held M-fold. "

I hope that helps do away with some confusion I may have caused (which Aussie picked up on and mentioned in one of his posts.  Thank you, Aussie!)

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Joseph Curwen on Jul 30th, 2009 at 2:23pm
peacefulljeffrey,

i tried both side, no problem at all.

I shot rocks with about 80 gramms weight at more or less 150 yards yesterday evening.

My sling is 80 cm long, i will make one longer

Joe

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jul 30th, 2009 at 6:28pm
I have used my seatbelt slings both ways, ie with the knot on the inside and also on the outside. To be honest I could detect no difference in performance but to my eye it just looks odd with the knot on the outside. With jagged stones I imagine there could be a slightly greater risk of a snag if used "inside out". There's no right or wrong, do what feels right for you.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Donnerschlag on Jul 31st, 2009 at 1:38am
Ingenious use of materials Aussie.

I wanna try this, but don't have any available seat belt material, nor the time to go to the wreckers. But I do have an old bicycle inner tube that I'm thinking I that I can use for the pouch. (If it doesn't mess up my casts by stretch too much, that is. :P )

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Jul 31st, 2009 at 2:26am

Donnerschlag wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 1:38am:
Ingenious use of materials Aussie.

I wanna try this, but don't have any available seat belt material, nor the time to go to the wreckers. But I do have an old bicycle inner tube that I'm thinking I that I can use for the pouch. (If it doesn't mess up my casts by stretch too much, that is. :P )


PM sent.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jul 31st, 2009 at 8:43am

Donnerschlag wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 1:38am:
Ingenious use of materials Aussie.

I wanna try this, but don't have any available seat belt material, nor the time to go to the wreckers. But I do have an old bicycle inner tube that I'm thinking I that I can use for the pouch. (If it doesn't mess up my casts by stretch too much, that is. :P )


I have tried making pouches from stretchy belting material and the result was absolutely hopeless with a totally unprdictable release. However a bicycle tube may be OK as I know other members have made pouches from them successfully before. I suggest trying a section of mountain bike tube glued with contact adhesive and pressed flat so it turns into a piece of belting.

Please let us know how you get on as this may be another good source of pouch material. It seems that many find getting hold of seatbelt material harder than I imagined though it seems that P-J is going to look after you in this regard.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Donnerschlag on Jul 31st, 2009 at 4:43pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 8:43am:

Donnerschlag wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 1:38am:
Ingenious use of materials Aussie.

I wanna try this, but don't have any available seat belt material, nor the time to go to the wreckers. But I do have an old bicycle inner tube that I'm thinking I that I can use for the pouch. (If it doesn't mess up my casts by stretch too much, that is. :P )


I have tried making pouches from stretchy belting material and the result was absolutely hopeless with a totally unprdictable release. However a bicycle tube may be OK as I know other members have made pouches from them successfully before. I suggest trying a section of mountain bike tube glued with contact adhesive and pressed flat so it turns into a piece of belting.

Please let us know how you get on as this may be another good source of pouch material. It seems that many find getting hold of seatbelt material harder than I imagined though it seems that P-J is going to look after you in this regard.

So basically sandwich two layers of bicycle tubing with superglue?

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by xxkid123 on Jul 31st, 2009 at 5:48pm
if you have bicycle inertube turn it into a slingshot. back the they used tire inertubes but they changed the formula for the rubber. the bicycle tubes however...

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Aug 29th, 2009 at 7:38pm
Ilovepancakes keeps saying that he is having trouble making a seatbelt sling happen... that makes me sad, because it's really a great design and a superbly functioning sling.  I wish I had a decent setup to make a video tutorial of the seatbelt sling, instead of just my still camera (which does make video, but has very limited functionality in that regard).

Don't get your hopes up too high, but I might decide to just give it a try anyway, crude though it may be.  I mean, I can do some intermediate video editing (I've done it before), but it's the fact that I'd probably have to shoot a dozen or so snippets of raw video and take the tedious time to upload them to my computer and string them together that has me kind of groaning about the whole idea...  The best I can say is, "We'll see."  (I really should be cleaning up my house instead of doing stuff like this!)

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Mikk9480 on Oct 30th, 2009 at 6:22am
how do i get seabelt????????

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Oct 30th, 2009 at 8:18am
I get mine from the salvage yard. I have found that if you ask nicely and only take material from cars where the seatbelt tensioner is broken they normally give it to you. I have two particular yards I get mine from at no cost though all of the employees now own Seatbelt Slings and know the basics of how to use them.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Oct 30th, 2009 at 6:44pm

peacefuljeffrey wrote on Aug 29th, 2009 at 7:38pm:
Ilovepancakes keeps saying that he is having trouble making a seatbelt sling happen... that makes me sad, because it's really a great design and a superbly functioning sling.  I wish I had a decent setup to make a video tutorial of the seatbelt sling, instead of just my still camera (which does make video, but has very limited functionality in that regard).

Don't get your hopes up too high, but I might decide to just give it a try anyway, crude though it may be.  I mean, I can do some intermediate video editing (I've done it before), but it's the fact that I'd probably have to shoot a dozen or so snippets of raw video and take the tedious time to upload them to my computer and string them together that has me kind of groaning about the whole idea...  The best I can say is, "We'll see."  (I really should be cleaning up my house instead of doing stuff like this!)


Personally I thing between the two of us we have the thing pretty much nailed. Movies are pretty excellent for instructing how to sling, but stills are fine for showing how to make a sling.

I'm blown away by how you and ILP have run with this. My position as Supremo Sling Supplier is under assault. :)

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by slingingrat on Oct 31st, 2009 at 2:02pm
Now I have to make one of these be back in 15 min ;D

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Nov 3rd, 2009 at 5:28pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2009 at 6:44pm:

peacefuljeffrey wrote on Aug 29th, 2009 at 7:38pm:
Ilovepancakes keeps saying that he is having trouble making a seatbelt sling happen... that makes me sad, because it's really a great design and a superbly functioning sling.  I wish I had a decent setup to make a video tutorial of the seatbelt sling, instead of just my still camera (which does make video, but has very limited functionality in that regard).

Don't get your hopes up too high, but I might decide to just give it a try anyway, crude though it may be.  I mean, I can do some intermediate video editing (I've done it before), but it's the fact that I'd probably have to shoot a dozen or so snippets of raw video and take the tedious time to upload them to my computer and string them together that has me kind of groaning about the whole idea...  The best I can say is, "We'll see."  (I really should be cleaning up my house instead of doing stuff like this!)


Personally I thing between the two of us we have the thing pretty much nailed. Movies are pretty excellent for instructing how to sling, but stills are fine for showing how to make a sling.

I'm blown away by how you and ILP have run with this. My position as Supremo Sling Supplier is under assault. :)


I figure each continet can have at least on Supremo Sling Supplier. ;D

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by timann on Nov 9th, 2009 at 11:21am
Yesterday I discovered my mum had a piece of seat belt, as long as I am, in her garage :).
 I guess it was a part of a child safety car seat, used back when my brother or I had small children.

After the discovery, surprisingly short time went by before my first seat belt sling was made ;).

The pouch was easier to make than even I expected, and when testing it with a tennis ball, it somehow HELD the tennis ball until the release cord was ----- released.
timann


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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by xxkid123 on Nov 9th, 2009 at 3:38pm
nice sling- the part where it's whipped is nice- much neater then i can manage- and actually is round and not square like mine

what type of cord are you using?

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by timann on Nov 9th, 2009 at 4:24pm
Thanx, kid.   I have done a lot of whippings through my life, and is supposed to make them look good now :D.  
I used some 1,5 mm poly-stuff.  The whippings are done by the method shown by peacefuljeffrey previous on this thread.
The cords on the sling is 4 mm polyester-silk.

I had to make on more, with a pouch 7" long, instead of 8" on the first.  I used paracord, from my diminishing supply, for cords, and some small pieces of black 1,5 mm poly-stuff, saved from an old project, for whippings.

Both slings has a simple overhand knot on the inner end of the cords, to prevent them from slipping through.

timann

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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by timann on Nov 10th, 2009 at 11:53am
Now I got a little experience with those two slings.  The sling made with the 8" piece of safety belt is perfect for tennis balls.  The one made from a 7" is, as expected, a little small for tennis balls, but is still to long for golf balls. The little rascals simply roll off the side of the pouch when I load it.  For the golf balls to fit I`ll have to use a piece maybe as short as 6".  Or use longer whippings, but that seems like a waste of materials.
But it seems to be perfect for stones bigger than a golf ball but smaller than a tennis ball.
timann

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Nov 10th, 2009 at 3:45pm
I do a preety long whipping knot on seatbelt slings. 9 inches for tennis balls and 7 inches for golf balls are the sizes I use for pouches.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by timann on Nov 11th, 2009 at 11:11am
Well, ilovepancakes, I am still in the learning phase when it comes to seat belt slings :)

My mother also had another strap in her garage, similar to safety belt, but not quite as wide.  I used some of it to make a 50" golf ball ultra sling.  
If it gives #me# some extra distance remains unknown ;)
timann
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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Nov 11th, 2009 at 11:43am
Those are some nice looking slings timann. I got the measurements for PeacefulJeffrey and they have worked out for me so I thought I would share. :D

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Et Cetera on Nov 11th, 2009 at 4:05pm
I still haven't found any real seat belt... only a strap that's kind of like one.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Nov 11th, 2009 at 4:21pm

Et Cetera wrote on Nov 11th, 2009 at 4:05pm:
I still haven't found any real seat belt... only a strap that's kind of like one.



I made a thread offering up seatbelt material for free. PM me your address and I can ship you some on Friday. That is the only day I will be able to get to the post office.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Liberty dog on Dec 6th, 2009 at 9:21pm
now i know that someone here has mentioned using zip ties instead of wipping, and for a while now i have been looking some seatbelt to try it on.
what i have here is not seatbelt but its some type of orange webbing.its not as thick as a seatbelt, so im not to sure of its durabilty,but it looks sturdy enough.
its to late to try it out, but tomorrow i plan to give it spin
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Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Donnerschlag on Dec 6th, 2009 at 10:50pm
I'm still wondering why this hasn't been stickied; or better yet; Put in the Guides and Articles section.  :-?

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Dec 6th, 2009 at 10:59pm
Looks fantastic, I love the orange colour and the zip ties look very neat, as does the whole sling. As you say the material doesn't have to be seatbelt. I've used black nylon webbing of the kind used as backpack straps and a piece of load tie-down strap I found by the side of the road. It looks like cotton but it melts so must be some kind of synthetic.

My test for any new sling made this way is to put my foot on the pouch and to pull as hard as I can on the cords. I don't know how much force I'm applying, but it's got to be a lot more than they will be subjected to in slinging.

It has also occurred to me that using small hose clamps would be another quick and easy method of securing the ends. Being metal they may be a touch heavy, but they would be 100% reliable. I couldn't find any at the time and had since forgotten about it so have yet to try it.

PS. If you use the sling for golf balls and not abrasive rocks it will last a lifetime.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:07pm

Donnerschlag wrote on Dec 6th, 2009 at 10:50pm:
I'm still wondering why this hasn't been stickied; or better yet; Put in the Guides and Articles section.  :-?


OK Here it is stickied. As a Guides and Articles entry it would need to be tidied up quite a bit. Feel free to do it.

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Liberty dog on Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:16pm
the whole thing seems very light, so i'm hoping that i will get the feel of the stones im throwing, better than with the leather split pouch that i like to use. i have a feeling that with the leather i used to make it was on the thick side..... the pouch has a weight to it that you can feel. not super heavy but its still there. with this webb-belt sling i'm betting that i can rely on the weight of the stone only, so as to judge when to release more accuratly

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by Donnerschlag on Dec 7th, 2009 at 2:15am

Aussie wrote on Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:07pm:

Donnerschlag wrote on Dec 6th, 2009 at 10:50pm:
I'm still wondering why this hasn't been stickied; or better yet; Put in the Guides and Articles section.  :-?


OK Here it is stickied. As a Guides and Articles entry it would need to be tidied up quite a bit. Feel free to do it.

Hmmm, I may just do that for ya. ;)
(Tidying it up)

Title: Re: Aussie's New Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Dec 7th, 2009 at 7:39am

Aussie wrote on Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:07pm:

Donnerschlag wrote on Dec 6th, 2009 at 10:50pm:
I'm still wondering why this hasn't been stickied; or better yet; Put in the Guides and Articles section.  :-?


OK Here it is stickied. As a Guides and Articles entry it would need to be tidied up quite a bit. Feel free to do it.



Aussie,

I will clean this up and make it ready to Guides and Articles. I would like to use both yours and PJs tutorials as I feel they both add a lot of value.

Liberty Dog,

When switching to a "seatbelt sling" for a heavier sling I always find myself being a bit more accurate also.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Liberty dog on Dec 7th, 2009 at 9:43pm
i tried it out this morning before work....i was letting my truck warm up and i thought it was a great time to sling a few rocks with my new seatbelt sling.
what i found is that if i use it with the natural pouch side it throws to the left(using byzantine style)
so i remembered aussie mentioning that if you use the other side of the pouch( that would be the non-natural pouch side) that it would work much better. so i tried it and i am very pleased with its performance thus far. can't wait to do some more slinging.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Dec 7th, 2009 at 10:04pm

Liberty dog wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 9:43pm:
i tried it out this morning before work....i was letting my truck warm up and i thought it was a great time to sling a few rocks with my new seatbelt sling.
what i found is that if i use it with the natural pouch side it throws to the left(using byzantine style)
so i remembered aussie mentioning that if you use the other side of the pouch( that would be the non-natural pouch side) that it would work much better. so i tried it and i am very pleased with its performance thus far. can't wait to do some more slinging.



I think I am following you on the natural and not natural pouch sides. I noticed in your picture the the R&R cords were on the inside of the pocket. After making over 100 slings of this design I have found that cords on the outside of the pouch is where it's at. Next one you make try it out, I promise you will like it better.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Liberty dog on Dec 10th, 2009 at 9:39pm
put a pic of that up here....i'm not following that....i'm looking at mine and just not seeing what your talking about. :-?

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Dec 11th, 2009 at 3:49am

Liberty dog wrote on Dec 10th, 2009 at 9:39pm:
put a pic of that up here....i'm not following that....i'm looking at mine and just not seeing what your talking about. :-?


I originally envisaged the pouch being used with the folded edges turned out. Refer to the first photo in the thread which shows what would be the inside of the pouch. However some have found they get better results using it the other way, so the folded edges are towards the inside, the opposite of the original photo. I tried both ways and didn't really find much difference; find what suits you.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Dec 11th, 2009 at 7:22am

Liberty dog wrote on Dec 10th, 2009 at 9:39pm:
put a pic of that up here....i'm not following that....i'm looking at mine and just not seeing what your talking about. :-?


As Aussie said the first picture in this thead has the Release and Retention cords on the outside of the pouch. In the picture you posted your cords are on the inside of the pouch. It is just personal preference, my arguement for cords on the outside is that I feel it gives the stone a better roll out.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Liberty dog on Dec 11th, 2009 at 5:35pm
ah.... now i get it....ty

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Dec 12th, 2009 at 7:19am

Liberty dog wrote on Dec 11th, 2009 at 5:35pm:
ah.... now i get it....ty



It is just a personal preferece LD. But I do think it makes a little bit of a difference.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by timann on Dec 13th, 2009 at 1:13pm
This is not my first picture if this sling in this thread, but the first time I told you all this was intended to be my new long distance golf ball sling.  Today there was no rain and no people, and still daylight, on the football field, and so I could finally try it.
It is 50" folded, so I used my favorite long sling style, overhand with pirouette.
After some tweaking and fumbling with both release knot placement and the style itself, I was suddenly able to sling those golf balls around 100 meters, in an almost straight line, horizontally and vertically,  and in the direction I wanted.  
I call that a success :).
timann
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Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by timann on Dec 13th, 2009 at 1:20pm
I prefer the inside, like this.  After trying both sides, it seemed best for my use, just because ;).
But, both sides is fine.
By the way, this webbing is a little less wide than real seat belts.
timann
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Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by colejack3 on Jul 7th, 2010 at 3:47pm
So how do you do the whipping?

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Jul 7th, 2010 at 5:35pm
PJ PM'ed me a short video. I will see if I can find it for you.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by colejack3 on Jul 7th, 2010 at 5:42pm
Thanks. I want to make more seat belt slings So I can have more than one with me at a time :)

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Jul 8th, 2010 at 10:09am
The more I use seatbelt slings the more I like them.  It's like "they can't be this good... they're too easy to make!"  Even with all of the different slings of many types I have to choose from every day I'm finding a seatbelt sling to be my go to.  It's all good.  All of my young slingers in the neighborhood and I are loving seatbelt slings.  

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Jul 8th, 2010 at 1:12pm
I believe that this is the video that PJ PMed me. I can't find it in my inbox but this looks similar at least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2HFjSW37a8

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Jul 8th, 2010 at 7:35pm
Excellent video. In the past I used to do it differently, but this is definitely the best and neatest way. BUT if you find it hard to do just wind the string tightly 6-10 times around the constriction and tie the ends with a double knot. It doesn't look nearly as nice but still works.

I know PJ doesn't like it, but I also recommend sealing the constriction with superglue as it will never unravel no matter how hard you sling.

BTW. Love to hear that people are making and using those seatbelt slings.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Jul 8th, 2010 at 9:23pm
[quote author=Aussie link=1243340828/105#105 date=1278632147I know PJ doesn't like it, but I also recommend sealing the constriction with superglue as it will never unravel no matter how hard you sling.

.[/quote]


I agree with you on the superglue Aussie. It does make the sling almost indestructible. However I don't use it because I give out seatbelt slings to just about anyone who shows interest in slinging. My way of thinking is if they become interested in slinging they will want to make their own slings and the seatbelt sling should last long enough for that to either happen or not. For my advanced students who take the time to get proficient with the sling on their own I make them a PJ sling with a black pouch and green R&R cords and induct them into the M.P.A.

 I also give out about 5 seatbelt slings a week, each one takes me about 15 mins to make just using painters twine and burning the ends and have never heard of anyone saying it came undone.

I on the other hand have had only one come apart on me since I started making them about a year ago and it was the first one I ever made so the whipping was less then professional.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Donnerschlag on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:11pm

ilovepancakes wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 9:23pm:
... I also give out about 5 seatbelt slings a week, each one takes me about 15 mins to make just using painters twine and burning the ends and have never heard of anyone saying it came undone.

Funny you mention that; a few weeks ago the outer part of the whipping on the release cord end of one of the seatbelt slings I gave my friend ended up loosening up and slipping down the release cord. Some West-Country whipping and super glue later, it's solid as a rock. (That was the first and only time I've ever had a problem with any of your slings, btw)

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:18pm
I've been using a hot glue gun on my seatbelt slings.  So far it's worked great... no malfunctions at all.  

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:26pm

colejack3 wrote on Jul 7th, 2010 at 3:47pm:
So how do you do the whipping?


I like to use West Country Whipping: http://www.animatedknots.com/westcountry/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Morphy on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:51pm

Rat Man wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:26pm:

colejack3 wrote on Jul 7th, 2010 at 3:47pm:
So how do you do the whipping?


I like to use West Country Whipping: http://www.animatedknots.com/westcountry/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com


I see why you use that Rat Man, that is pretty dang cool.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:32am

Donnerschlag wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:11pm:

ilovepancakes wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 9:23pm:
... I also give out about 5 seatbelt slings a week, each one takes me about 15 mins to make just using painters twine and burning the ends and have never heard of anyone saying it came undone.

Funny you mention that; a few weeks ago the outer part of the whipping on the release cord end of one of the seatbelt slings I gave my friend ended up loosening up and slipping down the release cord. Some redone whipping and super glue later, it's solid as a rock. (That was the first and only time I've ever had a problem with any of your slings, btw)



Donner did the sling you mentioned have that orange cord for the whipping?

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Cthulhu on Jul 9th, 2010 at 11:57am
umm ::)

not to be an ass but the one u had sent me developed a similar problem ( and yeah it ha orange whipping too), but i fixed it

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Jul 9th, 2010 at 12:08pm

Cthulhu wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 11:57am:
umm ::)

not to be an ass but the one u had sent me developed a similar problem ( and yeah it ha orange whipping too), but i fixed it


Yea I was a bit wary about using that cord, but I got lazy and didn't feel like going to the store to get a different kind. Since no one said anything I made about 40 of them using that stuff before I picked up different string.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Donnerschlag on Jul 9th, 2010 at 3:42pm

ilovepancakes wrote on Jul 9th, 2010 at 9:32am:

Donnerschlag wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 11:11pm:

ilovepancakes wrote on Jul 8th, 2010 at 9:23pm:
... I also give out about 5 seatbelt slings a week, each one takes me about 15 mins to make just using painters twine and burning the ends and have never heard of anyone saying it came undone.

Funny you mention that; a few weeks ago the outer part of the whipping on the release cord end of one of the seatbelt slings I gave my friend ended up loosening up and slipping down the release cord. Some West-Country whipping and super glue later, it's solid as a rock. (That was the first and only time I've ever had a problem with any of your slings, btw)



Donner did the sling you mentioned have that orange cord for the whipping?

Yeah, that's the stuff. (I actually like the color of it on the black/olive drab seatbelt slings you sent me awhile back.)

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by kuggur slingdog on Jul 31st, 2010 at 1:11pm
Great design Aussie, just made my first (and I was sure I had enough slings lying around... ;D).

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Jul 31st, 2010 at 6:56pm
I gave another seatbelt sling last night.  A young man was fishing in the little lake behind us.  He was quite impressed with the seatbelt sling that I was using, so I gave it to him and told him about slinging.org.  He seemed very interested.  Hopefully we'll have another new member.  The batch of seatbelts that ilpc sent me is different from the others.  It's a bit stiffer, which works out quite well.  It forms a nice pocket rather than just lying flat.  I'm making some really nice seatbelt slings these days.  Thanks, ilpc!

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by kuggur slingdog on Aug 6th, 2010 at 2:04pm
Tried mine, like it very much, might also have to do with the fact I made it a bit longer than my usual slings.
I´m firmly in the "knots on the outside" camp.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Aug 7th, 2010 at 1:29am

wrote on Aug 6th, 2010 at 2:04pm:
Tried mine, like it very much, might also have to do with the fact I made it a bit longer than my usual slings.
I´m firmly in the "knots on the outside" camp.


Do you mean the sling is longer overall or that the pouch is longer? I started with a piece of belt 175mm (7") long which gives me a pouch 145 mm long between the constrictions. For stones this is fine but for tennis balls perhaps another 25mm would be even better. Glad to see the design being used so widely. The intention was always to come up with something that would be quick and easy as well as effective.

Don't forget, it doesn't have to be car seatbelts. I just made a really nice one from the straps salvaged from my daughter's old school bag. I'll ask her to upload the pictures.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by John on Aug 7th, 2010 at 4:14am

Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2010 at 1:29am:

wrote on Aug 6th, 2010 at 2:04pm:
Tried mine, like it very much, might also have to do with the fact I made it a bit longer than my usual slings.
I´m firmly in the "knots on the outside" camp.


Don't forget, it doesn't have to be car seatbelts. I just made a really nice one from the straps salvaged from my daughter's old school bag. I'll ask her to upload the pictures.

Just came back from trying one of this design with a leather pouch. Worked just fine. Threw balls from the size of a golf ball up to a field hockey ball (5.5 oz and dimpled like a golf ball but sad to report it wasnt going MUCH further than lacrosse balls) no problem. Looks good too.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Conor147 on Oct 11th, 2010 at 12:42pm
so simple, and looks really effective too.

but im wondering, from the projectiles perspective while its sitting in the pouch, would the ends of the pouch get in the way at all? i make paracord slings and if the inside of the pouch on the release cord side isnt smooth enough from rest until the stone leaves the sling, all sorts of misfires can happen. ive even had one stone that was jagged catch it and damage it.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Oct 11th, 2010 at 1:48pm
It may depend to some extent on style, but I can't recall ever having a projectile hang up in one of my seatbelt slings. Usually when I leave the house I have at least one seatbelt sling with me.  I love the way they work plus if someone hits me up for a sling it's no big deal to give one away in that they're very fast and easy to make.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Donnerschlag on Oct 11th, 2010 at 2:44pm
I think the way that the pouch is formed where it transitions into the release cord forms a little "ramp" of sorts, as opposed to some obstruction for the projectile to catch on.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by walter on Oct 11th, 2010 at 4:46pm
I've had a rock hang up in a seatbelt pouch, so I tried it with the knots on the inside of the pouch and it works real well. In fact, it's one of my favorite designs. I tried leather instead of seatbelt material and like that even better.  :o

walter

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Oct 11th, 2010 at 5:48pm

Donnerschlag wrote on Oct 11th, 2010 at 2:44pm:
I think the way that the pouch is formed where it transitions into the release cord forms a little "ramp" of sorts, as opposed to some obstruction for the projectile to catch on.


I have always thought that also. Never had anything get caught up in one either.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by little on Oct 14th, 2010 at 2:14pm
very nice!!!(2 thumbs up)  seems similar to a sling tutorial by timothy potter on his site http://www.seekyee.com/Slings/howtos/leather1.htm  I made one like this with paracord,  but I had to sacrifice the cord and leather to make something else  :-[

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Masiakasaurus on Oct 14th, 2010 at 2:52pm
A seatbelt sling mailed to me by slingingrat is one of my favorite slings. I definitely suggest making one of these, or trading for one.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by jpderidder on May 12th, 2011 at 12:28pm
hey guys thanks for this treath. i learnd a lot ant make my own its a wonderfull sling,!

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 14th, 2011 at 4:25am
One of my best seatbelt slings. I've posted the picture before but I wanted to show how potentially neat the constrictions can be.
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Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on May 14th, 2011 at 3:30pm
Beautiful sling, Aussie.  Is that lawn mower pull start cord? Seatbelt slings take very little time and are very easy to make once you learn how.  Yet it's hard to find a sling more versatile and effective.  There's no better snowball sling.

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Post by xxkid123 on May 14th, 2011 at 4:11pm
not to be an ass, but i'm not the biggest fan of seat belt slings. i don't like how the pouch doesn't securely cup over the ammo i'm using. it doesn't slip, but i don't like the feel. the seat belt material is too stiff and it doesn't bend around the ammo. that being said for those who like it it's an excellent design and i have to say it's extremely useful. heck, using the same knot and everything, but with a duct tape pouch or something makes it an A+ in my book.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 14th, 2011 at 7:55pm

Rat Man wrote on May 14th, 2011 at 3:30pm:
Beautiful sling, Aussie.  Is that lawn mower pull start cord? Seatbelt slings take very little time and are very easy to make once you learn how.  Yet it's hard to find a sling more versatile and effective.  There's no better snowball sling.


It's climbing accessory cord from an outdoor equipment shop. Excellent quality and soft feel.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by jpderidder on May 15th, 2011 at 5:46pm
i was wondering if any of you have tried waxed dental flos for the lassing?
im thinking to give it a try.
or perhaps some other waxed cord

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Slingarock on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 1:48pm
Very cool Idea- gotta get some old seat belts now!   Check out the slings I made on Etsy -  Sling a rock make a smile-

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by xxkid123 on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 5:24pm

jpderidder wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 5:46pm:
i was wondering if any of you have tried waxed dental flos for the lassing?
im thinking to give it a try.
or perhaps some other waxed cord


Dental floss  works great for whipping. If I were you I'd out done super glue on. This goes for all types of whipping

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:43am
Though super glue works great to secure whipping, I've never been able to use it without getting some on myself.  I prefer a hot glue gun.  It's safer and you can control the glue even after it's on your whipping or whatever.  Some people worry about the glue melting when it gets very hot outside, but this has never happened to me.  Once or twice after much heavy use I've had some of the glue gun glue peel off.  This is no big deal.  You just reapply it.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:09pm
When I make seatbelt slings, I don't use glue at all.  I just make very very tight whippings.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by peacefuljeffrey on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:12pm

jpderidder wrote on May 15th, 2011 at 5:46pm:
i was wondering if any of you have tried waxed dental flos for the lassing?
im thinking to give it a try.
or perhaps some other waxed cord



It may be inexpensive, but you'll get what you pay for.  That stuff is not very strong at all, and also not very resistant to abrasion.  I base my assessment on the way it performs when I'm actually using it to floss my teeth!

I use mason's twine, which is a synthetic.  You can get several different colors.  It is commonly white, yellow, or even pink.  (I have not seen blue, but you could dye the white cord blue.)  The stuff is very inexpensive.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Slingarock on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:25pm
Nylon #18 works good and comes in many different colors.  I prefer working with jute-  leather also makes for good pockets.
http://img3.etsystatic.com/il_170x135.273724363.jpg

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Post by Knaight on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:28pm

peacefuljeffrey wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:12pm:
I use mason's twine, which is a synthetic.  You can get several different colors.  It is commonly white, yellow, or even pink.  (I have not seen blue, but you could dye the white cord blue.)  The stuff is very inexpensive.

Green is also very common.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by xxkid123 on Sep 26th, 2011 at 9:43pm
Nylon also reacts with superglue to create a hard plasticish material. Great matterial to use.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by ilovepancakes on Sep 27th, 2011 at 7:13am
I have only recently started using super glue on my whipping knots. Like PJ I use Masons Twine and for the longest time I had no problems going sans glue. But a couple of months ago I started getting reports that the whipping was coming undone through hard use from some of the folks I had given Seatbelt Slings to.

My first few attempts with super glue created a huge mess, I think I have it down now though. I do like RMs idea about using hot glue, I need to try that out.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Sep 27th, 2011 at 7:32am
Use the cheap grade watery glue (7 tubes for $2 at the two buck shop here) as it soaks into the string better. Apply it in little dabs so as to avoid runs and/or blobs. Easy and effective. Throw away the unused portion as it's not worth keeping.

BTW Use ordinary white cotton string for thr bindings as the glue really soaks in well. On some synthetic string it just sort of sits on top and doesn't go off. On the cotton string it sets very quickly and gets quite warm as it polymerizes.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Sep 27th, 2011 at 11:47pm

Knaight wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:28pm:

peacefuljeffrey wrote on Sep 26th, 2011 at 8:12pm:
I use mason's twine, which is a synthetic.  You can get several different colors.  It is commonly white, yellow, or even pink.  (I have not seen blue, but you could dye the white cord blue.)  The stuff is very inexpensive.

Green is also very common.

There's a store called The Truck Stop near me that sells a lot of farm supplies and just about everything else you can think of.  They have mason line in all colors there, and even different shades of many colors.  This is off topic, but mason line good for more than whipping.  You can use it to make cords or weave pouches with.  It's very thin and also slippery so I like to mix it with other materials when I braid with it sometimes.  It's very limp and braids well with anything.  I like to use cords of natural materials with it because it is so slippery.  It goes very well with jute.  I've also used it with hemp successfully.  One of the slings I sent Eoraptor for the last SITH was made of mason line.  Sorry for temporarily hijacking the thread.  I recently discovered mason line for myself and have been making some very interesting slings with it.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by me2 on Apr 14th, 2012 at 10:17pm
I just made my first sling of this style yesterday and gave it a good workout today.  I used pieces from my old body harness.  I had to replace it, as it was past it's expiration date (5 years).  This material is a little narrower than seat belt, and thicker, but it works fine.  I made the cords out of paracord and used the paracord inner strands for binding.  I used repeated clove hitches for the binding and tied and melted the end.  I used double overhand knots for the stoppers, and mine appears to be inside out from yours, as my knots are on the back side of the pouch, not the ammo side.  In any case, I have enough strapping for at least 5 slings, and another 43 feet of paracord.  I might make one tomorrow that's a little longer, maybe 36" loaded.  The first one is about 26"-28".  Also, I switched to metal ammo for today's practice.  I used the snap off tips for high strength bolts, which are basically little 1/2" diameter cylinders about 5/8" to 3/4" long.  Very good group today, then I ran out and had to go back to rocks.  

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Atlatlista on Apr 14th, 2012 at 11:46pm
Excellent sling-making idea here.  I'm definitely going to have to give this a try later in the week.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by jpderidder on Apr 15th, 2012 at 3:15am
you should ! and make some extra, for every one i make for myself i find myself given 3 to 4 away.


Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Apr 15th, 2012 at 8:39am
Not only is the seatbelt sling a great sling but you can apply the same technique to making slings with other materials like  leather.  You can cut the leather to any size and shape your imagination can come up with then attach the cords using the same technique described here for making the seatbelt sling.  

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Post by scoteeball on Apr 17th, 2012 at 1:26am
Well today I finally got around to making some seatbelt slings. I also used some nylon mason’s string for the whipping. I found it handy to use a large curved upholstery needle to work the free ends of the string back under the whipping. The outside end I just cut off short and melted with a small flame. The inside end I tied around the para cord in front of the knot, cut it short and melted it. When I pulled the para cord knot tight into the slot it in turn pulled and tucked in the end of the whipping string and made it neat and secure. The hardest part was getting the mason’s string into the eye of the needle. I had to melt the ends of the string and press it flat and thin to get it through the eye. The reading glasses helped a lot J

seat_belt_sling_01.jpg (87 KB | )

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Post by Aussie on Apr 17th, 2012 at 5:51am
The finished product looks lovely but you don't need a needle to hide the ends of the cord. Do it as per this YT demo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2HFjSW37a8

I always put a little superglue on the ends of the cord at least to stop any unravelling.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by scoteeball on Apr 17th, 2012 at 12:35pm
Aussie, thanks for that. I had actually watched that some time ago but did not take the time to look it up before I started my project. I’ll do that next time when I make some leather “seat belt slings”. Two more questions. Do the ends of the seat belt fray and unravel over time? I seared the cut ends with a flame. The cupped shape I found worked better for golf balls than my usual flat leather pouch. Too bad golf balls don’t weigh a little more. How can I get one of your famous Aussie pouches? They look like the ideal shape for tennis balls. Thanks.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on Apr 18th, 2012 at 6:12am
Like you, I usually lightly flame-seal the cut ends of the seatbelt and have had no problems with fraying.

For golf balls I suggest making a shortened version using a piece of belt a bit less than 6". This folds around a golf ball completely, holding it securely but still opening readily for a good release.

PM me your name and address and I'll send you a Aussiepouch.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by MojaveSlinger on May 10th, 2012 at 8:37pm
Aussie, Here is another idea, I took your design but I used old innertube I had laying around from my bicycle, it works perfectly. When I was sewing the paracord into mine I actually pushed the needle through the innertube and the paracord and then kept on with your method and to make it even stronger I used a rubber cement style glue I use for the heads of the trout flies I tie around where the thread is on the outside.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Aussie on May 10th, 2012 at 8:49pm
Thanks for the info. I've heard of others making pouches from bicycle inner tubes though I haven't tried it myself. It obviously works well and is a good alternative to the seatbelt material which some seem hard to find.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by MojaveSlinger on May 10th, 2012 at 9:01pm
No problem, I'm probably going to make my first leather pouch for my use, I made a nice leather pouch sling for my U.S History teacher, I didn't have any paracord laying around so I had to braid 3 strands of some rather chincy and thin masons line...darn thing wouldn't stop tangling, so I advised him to replace the strings and I might have advertised the site a bit when I gave it to him. But anyway, innertube is a very viable replacement.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Caldou on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:13am
Does anyone know how those zip ties fare in the long term ?

I considered switching to them since I'm not very skilled at whipping and when I add glue, it gets even uglier ^^

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Rat Man on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:30am

Caldou wrote on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:13am:
Does anyone know how those zip ties fare in the long term ?

I considered switching to them since I'm not very skilled at whipping and when I add glue, it gets even uglier ^^

 I worked as a Cable TV technician for 15 years and we zip tied everything.  Half of our system was held up by zip ties.  They last for years outdoors, under stress.  I haven't used them for sling construction yet but I'd bet the house they hold up as good as anything.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by Dan on Apr 10th, 2013 at 8:27am
I've got an apache sling from Dork that utilized zip ties instead of sewing the pouch to the cords and I've used it a fair amount and haven't noticed any wear so I'd say they'll last quite awhile.

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by David Morningstar on Apr 10th, 2013 at 9:50am

Here is an excellent seatbelt sling made by a new member: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172017416/3537#3537

Title: Re: Seatbelt  Slings - Tutorial
Post by squirrelslinger on Apr 10th, 2013 at 9:54am

Rat Man wrote on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:30am:

Caldou wrote on Apr 10th, 2013 at 6:13am:
Does anyone know how those zip ties fare in the long term ?

I considered switching to them since I'm not very skilled at whipping and when I add glue, it gets even uglier ^^

 I worked as a Cable TV technician for 15 years and we zip tied everything.  Half of our system was held up by zip ties.  They last for years outdoors, under stress.  I haven't used them for sling construction yet but I'd bet the house they hold up as good as anything.

Zip Ties+ innertube rubber+ Paracord= very, very good, durable sling. I proved it.
The only problem is that the z-ties sometimes slip. Get good quality ones, and it should not be a problem.


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