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Message started by Widgetjam on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:50am

Title: Sling Hunting?
Post by Widgetjam on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:50am
I know the odds of hunting with a sling as a beginner and actually killing something is very slim. But I was thinking about hunting dove around where I live. What If I used small shots in a pouched sling. Probally 10 shots per load. I figure it could be pretty effective when hunting. Please let me know what you think before I go out into the cold thinking I can grab dinner.  ;D

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by slingbadger on Feb 10th, 2009 at 10:58am
It's possible. They should be on the ground or roosting for best shot.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by lobohunter on Feb 10th, 2009 at 1:43pm
does any bodyelse remember the story of the englshman taking doves off of powerlines

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Aussie on Feb 10th, 2009 at 4:41pm
The difficulty with turning your sling into a shotgun is that only 10 pellets will make a pretty poor pattern. It would be very possible to sling right at a bird and yet have none of the individual stones actually hit it. More stones may not be practical either as you need a special sling or a large pouch to hold say 100 small stones which then have an aggregate weight which is difficult to sling yet each individual stone may not have sufficient energy to bring down a bird.

If it's legal, a bolas thrown at a flock of rising birds should have a higher likelihood of success.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by mrboss on Feb 10th, 2009 at 6:31pm
It is possible, but your best bet would be hunting birds or ducks, with a shotgun pouch attachment. But it would be hard to hunt deer because if they see you, they will run away fast. And also, with deer, their skin and skulls are tough, and an accurate shot might not have the power to kill it, unless it gets a head shot. Ive tested my shotgun sling attachment (I recently posted) and it works fine but I made it so its more portable than other designs. But it doesnt hold that much. It just matters on what size of ammo your looking to put in it.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Thomas on Feb 10th, 2009 at 7:19pm
What is needed is a container that fits the pouch and opens after it leaves to disperse the scattershot in a tighter pattern. The key is dispersion after the charge clears the pouch, not by the pouch. This approach gives many creative possibilities.      

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Thomas on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:27pm
A few topics from days past.

tom  

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1100798553/4#4

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1067398311/0

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1120600327/1#1

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Widgetjam on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:54pm
Thanks for the input  :). The idea seems plausible but unlikely. Maybe I can use a similar concept when hunting to stun the small game and then dispatch it with my hunting stick Keep with me (long curved hardwood stick).  That may just be the trick to hunting with a sling.  

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by mrboss on Feb 10th, 2009 at 9:14pm
It wouldnt stun!!!!, it would easily kill!!!!!

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Rat Man on Feb 12th, 2009 at 5:00pm
Hi, Widgetjam;
  Another possible game bird would be quail.  They bunch up in pretty tight coveys.  Back when I used to hunt with a 12 guage I'd get multiple kills on a single shot rather often when hunting them.  I've only taken one shot with intent to kill with a sling so far... it was at a dove, who was very safe.  

Rat Man

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by p8ntballa100 on Feb 12th, 2009 at 10:11pm
well... what i think is that you could conceivably hunt large game.  What i figure is that if you were to hit a deer, for example, it you hit it with say a 5 oz stone a little big but it will do more damage.  It would defiantly do some damage, imagine if you got hit even in the back or the leg with a huge stone going 150+ MPH you won't be going anywhere. Then you track it and run it down and kill it with a knife or finish it with more rocks.  That is the only way i see it.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by lobohunter on Feb 17th, 2009 at 1:49pm
new zealand is a possible place to try this out I understand deer are considered pest there

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Camo-sling on Feb 18th, 2009 at 3:44am
If you hit any small bird to medium bird with a single stone, it will break something resulting in sudden death. Killing a deer has been explored so many times, the members settled if i remembered that its only possible if you hit it in the head.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by kuggur slingdog on Feb 18th, 2009 at 1:18pm
Unless of course you lob a hand grenade at it, then it doesnīt matter that much where you hit it.
On a more serious note, I repeat my opinion that slings are unacceptable hunting weapons for reasons that should be pretty obvious to anyone who has spend some time practising with them.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by justgeorge on Feb 18th, 2009 at 1:25pm
A goat and a deer are about the same size.  I would feel bad trying to kill ether one with a sling.  But I don't think it is against the law to kill a domesticated goat for food????  I have seen deer with a leg completly missing that could not be tracked down, they run very good with only three legs.  I would be very interrested in how a sling would work, however, I think it would be better used after you catch the deer in a snare.   the reason for killing one in the first place would or should be for food.  I think you could waste a lot of time and energy using a sling.
But all that said I think we should try :)

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by mrboss on Feb 18th, 2009 at 2:02pm

wrote on Feb 18th, 2009 at 1:18pm:
Unless of course you lob a hand grenade at it, then it doesnīt matter that much where you hit it.
On a more serious note, I repeat my opinion that slings are unacceptable hunting weapons for reasons that should be pretty obvious to anyone who has spend some time practising with them.


I dont know what you are talking about!!!! A sling can kill ANYTHING. Why do you think they are unacceptable???????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????????????The only reasons it would be hard to hunt large game, like a deer, is because they run away if they see you. And it would be ''hard'', to kill a deer using an ACCURACY TECNIQUE because they dont give near enough power as a DISTANCE\POWER TECNIQUE. Especially with a short sling!! With a short sling (using an accuracy tecnique) the most youll ever do to a deer is barely peirce its skull ( but you would still kill it ). But on the other hand if you have a long sling while using a tecnique with a mix of both, (power and accuracy ) youll do much more damage. And if you used a distance/power tecnique, youll do max damage to any living thing or human, (but it would be hard to aim)....

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Lycurgus on Feb 19th, 2009 at 7:24am

Mr. Boss wrote on Feb 18th, 2009 at 2:02pm:
A sling can kill ANYTHING.


What about an Elephant? or a Rhino perhaps?
I would like to see you try.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by mimi on Feb 19th, 2009 at 7:46am

Lycurgus wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 7:24am:

Mr. Boss wrote on Feb 18th, 2009 at 2:02pm:
A sling can kill ANYTHING.


What about an Elephant? or a Rhino perhaps?
I would like to see you try.

                                                                  he really meant it...anything lol

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Lycurgus on Feb 19th, 2009 at 8:08am

mimi wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 7:46am:
                                                                  he really meant it...anything lol



I'm scared now :'(

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by kuggur slingdog on Feb 19th, 2009 at 1:16pm

Mr. Boss wrote on Feb 18th, 2009 at 2:02pm:

wrote on Feb 18th, 2009 at 1:18pm:
Unless of course you lob a hand grenade at it, then it doesnīt matter that much where you hit it.
On a more serious note, I repeat my opinion that slings are unacceptable hunting weapons for reasons that should be pretty obvious to anyone who has spend some time practising with them.


I dont know what you are talking about!!!! A sling can kill ANYTHING. Why do you think they are unacceptable???????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????????????The only reasons it would be hard to hunt large game, like a deer, is because they run away if they see you. And it would be ''hard'', to kill a deer using an ACCURACY TECNIQUE because they dont give near enough power as a DISTANCE\POWER TECNIQUE. Especially with a short sling!! With a short sling (using an accuracy tecnique) the most youll ever do to a deer is barely peirce its skull ( but you would still kill it ). But on the other hand if you have a long sling while using a tecnique with a mix of both, (power and accuracy ) youll do much more damage. And if you used a distance/power tecnique, youll do max damage to any living thing or human, (but it would be hard to aim)....


First of all, use caps lock and the "!"and"?" a bit more sparingly, this makes your post look less like a hysterical little girl wrote it.
Secondly and I know this for sure, you didnīt kill anything with a sling. You blabber about all kind of techniques and clearly donīt know what you are talking about. For instance you write with a "short sling" and an "accuracy technique" you can "hardly pierce a deerīs skull".... ;D
Dear boy, everyone who ever has been deer hunting knows that even with a good modern hunting riffle putting a deer down with a head shot is a. very difficult, and b. pretty stupid, if you donīt succeed and that change is pretty big, you blow away for instance his lower jaw, leaving it to die a slow horrible death. The brain is a notorious difficult target, lung shot is much smarter.
With a sling however you wonīt pierce anything like a bullit would, your best result would be blunt trauma, something you might be able to hunt small game with, providing you are a sling GOD, in terms of accuracy. which I strongly suspect you are not, and your hunting would consist of a lot (a lot) of misses and if you are extremely lucky one or two hurt animals. Thatīs why I consider a sling an unacceptable hunting weapon.


Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by mrboss on Feb 19th, 2009 at 5:02pm
It can kill alot of things! And of course, with small game you should use multiple ammo. duh. Even if its hard to peirce into animals like a deer, its hard NOT to believe that it cannot peirce into (or completely through) other living things. You, of course have to believe this, that is, if youve ever tried distance/power tecniques....OF COURSE!!!!    :o

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by zzzz on Feb 19th, 2009 at 7:15pm
I hate to jump into your little flaming war mrboss but you should really calm down and think about what you are saying. First of all what is your "distance/power" technique? Secondly try to be a little less rude with the "!"s and "?"s and "duhs". Just try and be a little more courteous. I'd personally find it hard to believe that you fire a projectile from a sling and get it to pass through any game animal, especially when you must stay far enough away as not to frighten it off. And please do not go try this on any living thing since chances are if you somehow manage to hit it all you will do is hurt it. I think that widgetman sums up hunting at all with a sling:


Widgetjam wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:54pm:
The idea seems plausible but unlikely



By the way, I think Kuggur Slingdog has you beat in the whole skill/knowledge/ability department, so just try not to come off as a jackass.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by mrboss on Feb 19th, 2009 at 8:10pm
The way that I typed did look rude, but im not trying to be rude, Im just trying to get my point across to everyone that a sling is never non-lethal (to most living things) , (unless your not at all expeirenced at slinging or your using soft ammo). And it amazes me that most slingers under-estimate the sling. It just makes me mad. And one last thing, the tecnique that I use for maximum distance/power makes it pretty hard to aim at deer sized objects from a long distance, and I dont suggest that tecnique for hunting them. Even though its hard to hit things of that size and smaller with this tecnique, you can still use this tecnique with multiple ammo in a cupped-pouch or jug-sling to easily hit smaller targets. That is one of the best parts of this specific distance/power tecnique that I use. I havent seen anyone ever use this tecnique, so Ill do my best to post a vid of it in the near future.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by mrboss on Feb 19th, 2009 at 8:22pm
And please do not go try this on any living thing since chances are if you somehow manage to hit it all you will do is hurt it. I think that widgetman sums up hunting at all with a sling:


Widgetjam wrote on Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:54pm:
The idea seems plausible but unlikely


Look at LoboHunters post and I think you might want to take this statement back.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Camo-sling on Feb 20th, 2009 at 1:14am
I did hit a bird with a tennis ball yesterday. That was from 10 metres away, but it was quarter hearted, barely struck the bird. I wanted to see what the birds reaction was towards the motion of the sling. It barely cared.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Gronk on Feb 20th, 2009 at 4:33pm
actually, I've done a little 'dry firing' (ammo free slinging) and I've found that so long as the motion's smooth, most animals won't spook straight off. If the motion's jerky or sharp, that's what tends to alert on a lot of animals, whereas, if one examines the motion of things like windblown grass, or branches, a relatively smooth casual movement is a natural part of the environment...much like a car's motor is to one of us. A revving motor will get our attention, because it's out of the ordinary, but a idling motor's usually ignored.

I think this idea alone can add another dimension to this debate....it's the same as stalking. if your'e stalking with someone that's stiff and jerky, you're not going to see prey for miles. If you're stalking with someone who can relax and move with the motions of the grass and trees, then it's possible to slip right up beside a deer and slap its flank. (gotten within arm's length, myself)

There's a casual 'right' relaxation to the movement (most any movement, I've found) that's a good mix of accuracy and power, and it's rather like throwing a spear. If you throw for power, you loose accuracy, but if you throw for accuracy, you lose power. But, there is a middle ground where you throw the spear, and it feels like it just naturally 'falls' from your hand, hits like a ton of bricks, and is pinpoint accurate.

I've had a couple of those with slinging, and one of them, the tennis ball came back with enough force and speed that I couldn't duck fast enough, and it left a welt in the center of my forehead....embarrassingly enough. when it hit, it literally felt like a baseball, and it rattled 'my' hard head.

I think that someone could very easily take game, IF they could perfect that casual 'natural' release, with the optimum mix of power and accuracy.

anyway, carry on.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Rockman on Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:05pm
During Incan times, there was a traditional hunting ceremony. The nobles would release and hunt large amounts of Taruca or andean deer (Males only) http://www.worlddeer.org/northandeandeer.html  for their entertainment, similar to fox hunting in europe. With no horses, the only way of hunting back then was running, thousands of meters above sea level. (Ever tried that?, I did once and it's unberable)  

But unlike most places, the sling was favored over bows & arrows and that's what they used for hunting deer, andean slings. (But also liked very much their spear throwers).  On such hunts, there would be some "finishers", such men used battle maces to finish the defensless prey.

I have seen andean deer up close. They are very small and very docile, if kept as a pet or in a zoo, they lick the hands of the people who takes care of them.

Their meat is tasty, if a little dry, I tried it years ago. They were hunted to near extintion, but breeding programs work very well for these animals.  

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Camo-sling on Feb 21st, 2009 at 12:25am

Rockman wrote on Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:05pm:
With no horses, the only way of hunting back then was running, thousands of meters above sea level. (Ever tried that?, I did once and it's unberable)  


I saw a tribe in africa on a documentary doing this. They ran in the hot sun for miles until they actually saw a large deer (dont know what animal it really was). Then they would stalk to spear throwing distance. The first time they missed which took them on a chase for another couple of miles until they actually wounded it. After another mile the animal bled out.

This was for the communities food. I just feel sorry for them when they have to bring it back to the village!

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by timann on Feb 21st, 2009 at 8:48am
I too have seen such tribe hunting documentaries.  One where all the tribes hunters ran after the animal at least one day! before it was worn out, and the fastest and most enduring hunter could throw his spear on it from apprx 3-5 meters.  In the other documentary a hunter had shot an zebra with a poisoned arrow.  He fetched the other hunters, and they tracked it for a lot of hours, and found it laying down at last.
They had an odd butcering style, they just started cutting meat from the top, made a fire, barbequed the best parts for eating at once in a huge party, smoked the rest on the spot, and next day walked home with the smoked meat for charing with the village.

Myself, I will propably not do any sling hunting, unless civilisation break down, the meteorite strikes, or something similar.  It CAN be done, but present day hunting laws and ethics totally prevent it.
timann

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Gronk on Feb 21st, 2009 at 11:31am
unless you are in a survival situation caused by a disaster. Plane crash, lost in unknown territory (for a greater than reasonable amount of time) etc. In which cases hunting laws are, on the whole, suspended in the interest of survival, and violation of them (snaring game, pit traps, etc) will not automatically get you into legal trouble.

in that situation, the laws don't preclude it, and if one gets hungry enough, ethics, being the funny things they are, will definitely change.

so just a caveat about that. There is a time and place where most anything is, if not technically legal, at least overlooked.

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by xxkid123 on Feb 21st, 2009 at 8:30pm
well for the the weird sling attachment said quite a few times, i got one.

if you have ever seen a sling shot that is designed to center your ammo then you know what i am talking about. punch a few holes in a wayyy to big pouch. the holes should be 1inch big. that way you can stick em' on with an individual grip  

Title: Re: Sling Hunting?
Post by Liberty dog on Apr 7th, 2009 at 11:11pm
the trouble with hunting dove with a sling, as far as i know is that the silly things have to be in the air when shot.....that means a moving target. I'll stick to trying to hit rabbits.

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