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Message started by Chris on May 7th, 2004 at 11:58pm

Title: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Chris on May 7th, 2004 at 11:58pm
I want to revise the text on the front page to describe the sling better.  I think the current text doesn't convey what the sling is all about; how it's a historically significant weapon.  I've written up a little blurb that captures that notion better, and wanted you guys (and gals) to comment and help me refine it if necessary.

Old Text:

What is a sling?
Slings are made of many different materials, but all consist of two lengths of cord, fabric, or hide attached to a pouch. One cord has a loop that is typically placed around a finger or wrist. This cord is called the loop or anchor cord. The other cord, called the release cord, is commonly pinched between your thumb and index finger. It usually has a knot at the end to give better grip and provide faster reloading. The pouch is generally leather or woven fibers, and it is used to hold the projectile. Common slings use pouches ranging from 3-7 inches wide (from string to string) and 2-5 inches high. Some slings use the "lovelock" or split pouch, which uses two strings to form the cradle for the rock, as seen in the picture on the right.


New Text:

What is a sling?
The sling is perhaps the earliest projectile weapon used by mankind, except perhaps a rock thrown by hand. It generally consist of two cords and pouch. The cords are held in your hand and a projectile is placed in the pouch. The length of the cords gives the slinger a greater mechanical advantage then just throwing a rock by hand. Projectiles can travel distances over 2000 feet (600m) at speeds exceeding 300 miles per hour (480 kph). There are dozens of historical accounts noting that the sling could outrange the bow. This supremacy continued up until around the middle ages. However, before the advent of more advanced bows (and crossbows), the sling was the premier long-range weapon of it's day, and saw action in almost every major military engagement from the dawn of civilization until the fall of the Byzantine empire.

Thanks,
Chris

P.S. Do any non-Americas get the bad joke in my title?

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Ulrica on May 8th, 2004 at 4:23am
Sorry Chris, I can not find the joke and I read the new text three times.  :-[

Although I can not understand every word, I can not expect you to write in such an "easy" english that also a person like me, with just "school-english" behind me can understand everything.

I like the text!
But much of it is just a comparison with the bow.  Why not mention that you can gain very good accuracy also with a sling and that competitions are still held on the baleric islands?

Then you have something from the past, that last up to these days.

The sling lives!

:-)


Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by srgs9 on May 8th, 2004 at 9:54am
Yep Chris, I got it... It caused some funny images and makes me wonder how a group of less than 200 slingers are going to take over the worlds golfball factories...(you guessed it I need coffee).

I'm with Ulrica about mentioning more on accuracy and such...
 

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by english on May 8th, 2004 at 3:29pm
I guess the bad joke in the title is something to do with recruitment posters from the twentieth century.  Yeah, we had those, although instead of Uncle Sam it was Lord Kitchener.
I think I prefer the new text, as is to be expected.  However, I think this is flawed.

Quote:
saw action in almost every major military engagement from the dawn of civilization until the fall of the Byzantine empire.
 I don't think this is true.  Constantinople fell in 1453; most medieval battles did not contain any slingers.   Think of the Hundred years war, the Battle of Lake Peipus, in Russia, the various Mongolian campaigns, nearly every engagement in Asia... no slings.  Lots of battles.  If you said something to do with the Balearic Islanders using slings even up to the first world war, and the fact that slings have been used nearly worldwide, and various other things, then it would be better.  But anyway, good.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Chris on May 9th, 2004 at 1:55am
Yes, English you are correct; I mean the fall of the Roman Empire.  I will revise it to mention the geographic diversity of slings, and some details on accuracy, perhaps through the example of the Balears.

Chris

As for the bad joke in the title, yes, I was referring to the old Uncle Sam (left) recruitment posters (that originated from a similar british poster of Lord Kitchener - right).  

   

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Enfors on May 11th, 2004 at 2:37am

wrote on May 7th, 2004 at 11:58pm:
Projectiles can travel distances over 2000 feet (600m) at speeds exceeding 300 miles per hour (480 kph).


Say what now?

I thought the world record was 467 metres, or 1500 something feet?

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Chris on May 11th, 2004 at 10:28am
That record was attained with something like a 4 foot sling.  Ancient slingers likely used 6 foot, 8 foot, or even longer slings for ranged shots.  I remember reading somewhere they they either dug ditches or build scaffolding to accommodate the longer slings (so it was probably a hybrid underarm style, which makes sense if we're considering at a long range shot).  When you are talking about lead projectiles and 8 foot slings, ranges of 3000 feet seems plausible....

Chris

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Hondero on May 12th, 2004 at 4:19pm
"... at speeds exceeding 300 miles per hour (480 kph)".

:o :o  I can´t believe it, impossible for a slinger, it must be a  mistake. With that speed the range would be about 1,200 m. Even a superYurek can do it. I think the maximun speed may be similar to golf drive, about 300 Kph and a range about 500 m or may be near 600 m using lead glandes.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Chris on May 12th, 2004 at 4:47pm
Techstuff measured 206 MPH (321 KPH) with one of his special slings, and I believe the length was less than 4 feet.  With a 8 foot, low-profile sling, I think 300 MPH is quite possible.  I am willing to reduce it to 250 MPH to make it more conservative.

Chris

He also said he achieved speeds close to 500 MPH with ball bearings:
http://www.slinging.org/forum2/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=1;action=display;num=1067398311;start=96#96

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Hondero on May 13th, 2004 at 11:06am
"With a 8 foot, low-profile sling, I think 300 MPH is quite possible".  

I think the range is not only a matter of sling length because if it is excessive it will make impossible a strong snap.


"He also said he achieved speeds close to 500 MPH with ball bearings"

He he, I remember that, but I didn´t believe it either. I think his measure device was wrong  ;). If that was possible then the range would be more than 3,000 m   :o

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Johnny on May 13th, 2004 at 11:17am
How fast does a lead glande need to go to lodge in a stone wall?

"As I believe that the collection of the Society of Antiquaries of London does not include a specimen of the Leaden-pellet or Sling-bullet of the Greeks, I do myself the honour to forward you one; of which, together with the accompanying drawing, I beg the Society s acceptance.          
   This specimen was found lodged in the Cyclopian walls of Samé in Cephalonia. "

From Chris' article.
Johnny

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by english on May 14th, 2004 at 3:35am

Quote:
How fast does a lead glande need to go to lodge in a stone wall?
It depends on what stone, I think.  If sandstone, then it would be remarkably easy, but if it was granite, then I should imagine that it would be incredibly difficult.  However, I would say that speeds would need to be very high in order to achieve even penetration of sandstone.  I think that practical experiments would need to be used.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Hondero on May 14th, 2004 at 10:10am
Been the lead softer than stone, it´s impossible the penetration, except into a join betwen two slabs ::)

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by english on May 14th, 2004 at 10:34am
Yes, lead is softer than stone, but don't bullets mark stone walls at the least, if not penetrate?  And stone items are easily smashed by bullets.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Hondero on May 14th, 2004 at 12:16pm
Yes, english, to mark the stone is possible and even to make a wide erosion like a bullet due to the energy of impact, but to lodge into the stone requires much more energy and the lead probably would melt on the impact before penetrating  ::)

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by DeeNewcum on Nov 9th, 2011 at 1:45pm
Sorry to be THAT girl, but if it will be on the front page:


Quote:
However, before the advent of more advanced bows (and crossbows), the sling was the premier long-range weapon of it's day, and saw action in almost every major military engagement from the dawn of civilization until the fall of the Byzantine empire.


Should be "its".

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by fletch_man on Nov 9th, 2011 at 4:49pm
Chris,

 I think it would be better for all concerned if you added the pic of good ol' Uncle Sam with the title page and superimposed your own face on it.  Second, I think you should start a membership drive for more than one girl on this site so we don't have to look at those Balearic guys in skirts anymore.  As a matter of fact, I can provide a pink paracord sling as an incentive.  Save the slings!    
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Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Aussie on Nov 9th, 2011 at 4:56pm
Guys,

This old thread only came to the top because some ***** posted scam which has now been removed. Note it was commenced in 2004. Nice pick up about the it's v its. Almost noboby gets that right these days ;)

Aussie

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Mauro Fiorentini on Nov 9th, 2011 at 4:59pm
;D
Mauro.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Masiakasaurus on Nov 9th, 2011 at 5:07pm
Right on , Aussie. And it's a problem that's already been spotted and fixed, but keen eye none the less.

Quote:
There are many historical sources which describe the sling's extraordinary performance characteristics. Its main competitor, the bow, had both a shorter range and slower rate of fire. Additionally, dozens of historical sources note the remarkable accuracy of a sling in trained hands. Although use of the weapon diminished after the fall of the Roman Empire, the weapon’s supremacy as the premier, personal, long-range weapon was not supplanted until the 15th century. Ultimately, changes in society, technology and military tactics rendered the sling ineffective in large-scale, organized warfare. The sling continues to be used in various smaller conflicts and by enthusiasts to this day.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Aussie on Nov 9th, 2011 at 5:13pm
My wife is a former English and a stickler for correct apostrophe use.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by xxkid123 on Nov 9th, 2011 at 6:41pm
some other spammer was just here too, the ugg boots guy. we seriously need to do something about that.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by Knaight on Nov 10th, 2011 at 7:40am

Sandbumoen wrote on May 12th, 2004 at 4:47pm:
Techstuff measured 206 MPH (321 KPH) with one of his special slings, and I believe the length was less than 4 feet.  With a 8 foot, low-profile sling, I think 300 MPH is quite possible.  I am willing to reduce it to 250 MPH to make it more conservative.

In which case, 200 MPH is the figure we should be using.

As for the text as a whole, the first sentence is clunky for a few reasons, not the least of them the use of perhaps twice.

Title: Re: Front Page Text - Uncle Chris Needs You!
Post by curious_aardvark on Nov 10th, 2011 at 8:27am
picky schmicky.

When the spam slows down we can sort out that kind of thing :-)

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