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Message started by Jandro on May 3rd, 2004 at 4:42pm

Title: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Jandro on May 3rd, 2004 at 4:42pm
Hi, I'm new to this forum, and also new to slinging. But I wanna learn more about the Egyptian Slinging, I mean, how they're made, many pics, and everything about it.

I was searching but didn't find anything, if you could please give me information about that, I'll thank you.

Jandro A.K.A. Ra

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by WalkingBird on May 3rd, 2004 at 5:15pm
Jandro
Sorry I can't help you with any info on Egyptian slinging. but did want to say hello and welcome to the fourm.


WalkingBird
 

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Chris on May 4th, 2004 at 12:10am
Welcome Ra,

Unfortunately, I don't know much about slings in Egypt, other than they exist.  I do have one lead for you however.  The oldest surviving sling to date was recovered in Lahun, Egypt, left as a byproduct of Roman influence if I recall.  

http://www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk/detail/details/index_no_login.php?objectid=UC6921&accesscheck=%2Fdetail%2Fdetails%2Findex.php

A fellow forum member visited the Petrie Museum in London to photograph it.  You can view some of his shots in the gallery under Graham Cole.  

Chris

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by goblin on May 4th, 2004 at 9:41am
hi man and welcome to these forums. the idea of egyptian slinging is cool. i never knew that had happened. cool. thnx for the info.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Jandro on May 4th, 2004 at 6:50pm
Thanks for the greetings and thanks Chris for the info. But I still wonder how they throw, how thay make it or where I could buy one.

I'm using the overhand Greek shot, I can handle it very good but I'm really looking for the egyptian one.

If anyone have some info, please, give it to me, thanks.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by english on May 8th, 2004 at 3:37pm
As you may or may not know, the bow was the primary missile weapon of the Ancient Egyptians.  And missile weapons were there main weapons.  Slings were not really used much, as bows were used even by the peasant levies.  And they developed the bow to such a high standard that slings were effectively useless to them; they acquired the composite bow and even their simple bows were advanced and powerful.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by longwinger on May 8th, 2004 at 9:23pm
Jandro,
There is a good bunch of folks here, personally I know nothing of egyptian slinging, I am not much of a historian, just like throwing rocks, but I did want to comment on your logo (?) for lack of a better word, is that Ra? And if so, is it based on a lanner falcon? Just curious.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Jandro on May 8th, 2004 at 10:22pm
I know about the bow but I'm not really interested, but anyway, thanks for the information.

Longwinger
Yes, my "logo" is Ra, but what you mean with "lanner" (I don't know what it means).

Anyway, Ra is an Egyptian god (like you can see, he is a falcon-headed god), the god of the sun and the most important of all gods.

Father of the first divine couple, Shu and Tefnut. Grandfather of Geb and Nut, whose children were Osiris and Isis, Seth and Nephthys.

Ra is my favorite Egyptian god. If you want more info, tell me, I can give you.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by longwinger on May 10th, 2004 at 7:02am
The Lanner falcon is native to North Africa, Eastern Europe, and the Mid East, Falco Biarmicus. A popular bird used in falconry in that region.
Most idols and gods are based on real life, just thought there may be a connection with Ra.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Gaius_Cornelius on May 11th, 2004 at 11:46am
The following article discusses experiences with a reconstructed Luhn sling:

The Ballistics of The Sling, Thom Richardson, Royal Armouries Yearbook, Vol 3, 1998. pp44-49.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Jandro on May 11th, 2004 at 12:51pm
But where can I find it?, is there a site that have this information?, thanks.

Jandro A.K.A. Ra

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Gaius_Cornelius on May 17th, 2004 at 12:06pm
You can get this book from the Royal Armouries, Leeds, UK. See here:

http://www.armouries.org.uk/

There is a shop and a photocopying service.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Jandro on May 17th, 2004 at 5:44pm
I can't find it, but anyway, I can't buy a book online.

I was watching very close the Egyptian sling and it seems like a normal-braided sling but the pouch is something different.

If someone is good braiding here, I think him/her can describe how to do it.

Also, it seems that the material is sisal.

Jandro A.K.A. Ra

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Gaius_Cornelius on May 18th, 2004 at 6:55am
The sling has already been reconstructed by Burgess way back in the 50's. His reconstruction is also at the museum - it appears in some of the photos.

Burgess' very detailed paper was published here:

Burgess, EM 1958 An Ancient Egyptian Sling Reconstructed. Journal of the Arms and Armour Society 2.10 June: 226-30.  

With a supplementary note here:

King, F H 1960 A Note on The Square Sinnet, Journal of the Arms and Armour Society 3.7 September: 187

You can get these from the British Library for a small fee.

The sling is almost certainly hemp. The braiding of the arms is a 12-strand eliptical sinnet with some fancy work for the finger loop. The end of the other arm is missing. The cradle seems to have been woven rather braided, Burgess made a diamond shape loom (which also appears in some photos). Although the loom is speculative, the resulting reconstruction is indeed very much like the origina.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by english on May 19th, 2004 at 3:08am
I have made woven slings before; I tried a diamond shape pouch but it didn't work well, but I can easily do rectangular shaped pouches.  It takes some time, and you must make sure to weave as tightly as possible.  I actually use possibly the simplest loom known.  It is a bent piece of wood, like a bow, with all the fibres for the weaves tied to each end, so that there is tension.  I then put a comb underneath the fibres to separate them out, and then do an under/over weave tightly through the fibres.  It helps to use a hook shaped device to go between the fibres on the under stroke.  Try it, and you may see what I mean.

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Chris on May 21st, 2004 at 11:46pm
I received a copy of "The Ballistics of The Sling" by Thom Richardson from the Royal Armouries.  They were exceptionally helpful I must say.  I can provide limited copies to interested people for a small fee to cover duplication and postage costs.  

I would like to get hold of:

Burgess, EM 1958 An Ancient Egyptian Sling Reconstructed.
King, F H 1960 A Note on The Square Sinnet,

If anyone has these texts, please contact me (email address in members link at top of page).

Thanks,
Chris

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Chris on May 21st, 2004 at 11:48pm
The sling recovered in Egypt was made from flax.  "A widely cultivated plant, Linum usitatissimum, having pale blue flowers, seeds that yield linseed oil, and slender stems from which a textile fiber is obtained."

Chris

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by srgs9 on May 22nd, 2004 at 5:27pm
Chris,
What's a copy going to cost me?...Also ,while I'm thinking about it, what's the skinny on the t-shirts?
I had an idea for a slinger's patch and may still have connections so they can be made cheap...

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Jandro on May 26th, 2004 at 12:51pm
Oh, thanks for the info!

Sorry for the too late post but I didn't have any time.

Hey, English, the slings that you make are like the one that was found?, if so, can you please post an image?

Sorry, I don't have these texts.

Jandro A.K.A. Ra

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by brug on Jun 17th, 2004 at 2:26am
Hi Jandro

I don`t no if you need this information but in Y. Yadins book "The art of biblical warfare" are two picture of ancient egypt slingers.

Bye brug

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Jandro on Jun 18th, 2004 at 3:27pm
Yes, this may help. Do you have that book?, if so, can you please post an image showing the slingers?, thanks.

Jandro A.K.A. Ra

Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by brug on Jun 24th, 2004 at 2:17am
Soory,

I have no opportunity to do this pictures into the net.

Bye


Title: Re: Egyptian Slinging
Post by Macehead on Jun 27th, 2004 at 2:15pm
:D I also play aom titans. Here are some Screenshots I made: www.macehead.tk

(I've read Egypt defeated the Hittites with chariots and Slinging 1274 BC, but I  can't help you with any more info)

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