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Message started by jamietaylory2k4 on Apr 27th, 2004 at 12:46pm

Title: spear heads
Post by jamietaylory2k4 on Apr 27th, 2004 at 12:46pm
does any1 no how 2 make a spear head to attach to a pole?

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by srgs9 on Apr 27th, 2004 at 1:12pm
That's a broad question as bone, stone, bronze, etc. have been used over the ages. Do you have a style or time period in mind?

The nut shell answer is yes.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by jamie taylor on Apr 27th, 2004 at 2:57pm
i can use any really, but i want one tht i could make at home without exeptional diificulty.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Chris on Apr 27th, 2004 at 10:59pm
You could knap spear points from flint or obsidian if you have access to it, but thats unlikely.  You could get a little piece of sheet metal, and cut out the right shape.  Bone is a possibility as srgs mentioned, but again availability could be a problem.  I'm not really sure if i have any good answer for you.  

As for attaching it to a pole, you have two options.  Either craft the point so it can fit over the end of the pole, which can be glued:



Or, you can make a rectangular incision into the end of the pole, insert a more traditional looking spear head, and bind it with a cord (you need to do this really really tight).  





Chris

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by srgs9 on Apr 28th, 2004 at 2:52pm
....Or you could just get one of Cold Steal's Bushman knifes. I think mine was about $12 and more than worth it... They're one peice with the handle also being a socket (with a hole to pin/screw) to attach to a shaft. The only two problems with the knife is that the handle needs to be wraped (that puppy gets friggen cold in the winter) and the sheath. I pulled the sheath that came with it and used it as a pattren(sortof) for the cover of a much better sheath I made for it and wrapped the handle with P-cord... I've been meaning to make another staff sling and whittle the non buissness end down (I botched the last one) to fit the socket.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Hobb on Apr 29th, 2004 at 11:52am
If you're gonna buy one, Cold steel makes some pretty nasty spearheads, too.  Museum Replicas has some too.  Probably not quite as cool as making your own, but I got a butt-cap (spike for the end of a staff) from museum replicas and I'm pretty happy with it.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by english on Jul 13th, 2004 at 6:08am
I was just looking over this thread, and I was thinking; it depends on what the spear would be used for.  Stabbing spears are much different to throwing spears.  I was thinking that a long flint knapped head would be perfect hafted to a five or six foot stave for stabbing, whereas a shorter one could be used on a three foot stave for throwing.  Bone is quite good for a harpoon type thing, but it can be brittle.  I suggest trying google or something and looking up traditional spear heads. That would give people some ideas.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Zorrro on Jul 21st, 2004 at 2:58am
My last spear head was made with a reprofiled chinese machete (imprted chinese diamond brand, really cheap 4 US$ and steel is very nice for the money) tied on a bamboo shaft with hemp cord and  some Araldit (R)  i've used old, and not so old knive blades as well and the steel of a brick layer  wide shovel i also used that steel to make an "Ulu"eskimo knife.
I'd post some pics but i'm new here and i don't know how to.  

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Mamba on Aug 8th, 2004 at 12:00pm
Interesting topic. I'm looking into spears at the moment, for a curious reason. I'm living in the USA at the moment and I own various firearms, especially a legally shortened shotgun that's ideal to deter home invasions (they happen!) and burglars.

But in a year or so I'm headed back to Australia, a country that has banned or is in the process of banning anything that looks vaguely dangerous, or looks like it might be used to hurt someone else. No, I don't want to discus how crazy the Aussies are, I know that already.

My concern is: what can I keep for home defence when in Australia?

You can own a shotgun there too, but only with elaborate and expensive measures: annual licence fees, gun club membership etc - all running to around $100 a year (ridiculous!).

So, throwing out the gun thing, and throwing our bows because of the need to leave simple bows unstrung and compound bows in a case (plus all the paraphernalia they require just to shoot an arrow, like release mechanisms), I thought of what I could use to have instantly to hand, and that might be fatal to an enemy at a distance.

Answer: spears.

So now I'm looking for top-notch spear heads to attach to shafts I can buy when in Australia. It should be easy to get the spear heads into the country without arousing suspicion. Better still would be a spear consisting of unscrewable metal sections, a disassemble-able spear.  Ideas?

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Douglas_The_Black on Aug 9th, 2004 at 10:03am
I just got a cold steel boar spear its strong and if you end up breaking it the shaft is very handy. you can make it into a staff, a staff sling, a walking stick any thing. I broke my boar spear and got a new shaft and i used the old shaft to make my staff sling.   the only problem is that its around $80 for the spear....

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Gun on Aug 9th, 2004 at 1:53pm
How did you break you boar spear shaft. From what i remember the boar spear shaft is pretty stout looking. Also, I have a cold steel sambo spear. The nice thing about it is that you can take it down after you are done using it.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by english on Aug 12th, 2004 at 5:13am
Home defence: a spear is NOT advisable.  Not good for close quarters. If you join any crossbow societies in Australia, then you can keep a crossbow; very good for home defence, and can simply be an effective deterrent.  Also, Australia is almost ludicrously safe; the main things to keep a weapon for would be animals, like snakes, crocs, etc.  Plenty of things that can kill you there.  Depends where you live, of course, as to what will kill you, but rest assured, there is always something.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Zorrro on Aug 13th, 2004 at 11:56am
Here's a pic  of my spear made with a reprofiled machete blade.



Blade is 11" attached to the bamboo pole with hemp cord and then epoxy coated,  externally is wrapped with some electric black tape.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Hobb on Aug 13th, 2004 at 4:55pm
Primitive bamboo spear made with electrical tape.  I love it!  Hurray for modern primitives!

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by TechStuf on Aug 13th, 2004 at 6:20pm
The electrical tape is to insulate you from the high voltage coursing through the blade into your enemy from the step coil and battery assembly in the shaft.......buddum bum! :o

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Zorrro on Aug 14th, 2004 at 4:48am
Lol i'm an urban "neanderthal" and i take advantage of what it's at hand.... gardener's bamboo shaft covered with green poliethylene,  rapid araldit epoxi, hemp cord (i would use polyamide or nylon or whatever) and electrical tape  jus to give it a nice finish and cover the araldit grubs lol,  i just wanted a working  spear , not a faithful historic replica ;D

Hmmmm... did i mentioned the base tip made with an 8mm bolt ,epoxied and provisionally reinforced with american powertape? ;D
nice for using spear as a walking stick


Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Zorrro on Aug 14th, 2004 at 7:40am

wrote on Aug 8th, 2004 at 12:00pm:
I'm headed back to Australia, a country that has banned or is in the process of banning anything that looks vaguely dangerous, or looks like it might be used to hurt someone else. No, I don't want to discus how crazy the Aussies are, I know that already.

My concern is: what can I keep for home defence when in Australia?

Same problem with fire arms. and other weapons here in Spain, i always keep a fixed blade at hand beside my bed (currently Muela scorpion  11" sharp blade) and my heavy tomahawk just in case :)



I also carry my Glock 81 field and survival knife any time, so it's another 6" fixed blade at hand  (center knife in the pic)



I hope (and pray) i never get in the scenario of having to use them to deter home invasion, but i keep tools at hand.
It's better to have something else than your bare hands.
I agree with english, spear is not a good idea inside a house, cause lack of space (i.e my spear is about 6 feet long) better use it in open space to keep out of hand held weapon  reach, even the tomahawk or a club need some space to swing it... Personally in a close quarter combat inside a house i would feel more confident with a knife cause i don't need much space to handle it, and may be cause i use them at work every day since ages and i'm used to it.
Anyway check local weapon laws,  i.e. here in Spain need a license if  knife blade is over 4",  doubled edged are ilegal, military knives are ilegal, automatic folders are ilegal, but no problem if you carry an axe, or a club, or a sword or a battle mace  ;D


Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Douglas_The_Black on Sep 9th, 2004 at 5:14pm
how did i break the boar spear? well i was testing the strenght of the shaft i love to test my stuff and i was jumping on it well im around 200pounds and i snaped it when i jumped on it. Oh the spear head was not attached im not that stupid haha. any way it was hard as hell to break and i think you could do anything with it that you want and it wont break.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by solobo on Sep 10th, 2004 at 5:42pm
A sword might be a better idea than a spear for home defense.  You can use one in tighter quarters and their easier to use: kindof.  I don't know if they allow swords in australia either, though.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Gun on Sep 10th, 2004 at 8:46pm
surely down under they'd let you have a bat.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Douglas_The_Black on Sep 10th, 2004 at 9:44pm
haha

anyway i would go with a axe.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by english on Sep 11th, 2004 at 12:32pm
I'd agree with Gun - a bat would be a good idea.  Not illegal, not usually deadly and capable of dealing with anything from rodents and spiders to larger animals.

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Hobb on Sep 13th, 2004 at 3:13pm
The baseball bat -- ancient martial arts tool of the future!

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by lobohunter on Sep 13th, 2004 at 4:09pm
in the house how about a 4# crosspeam hammer

Title: Re: spear heads
Post by Douglas_The_Black on Sep 13th, 2004 at 4:18pm
youve gotta love hammers!!

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